Why is Rodgers such a loser?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

Carson Wentz was 28 (and 29), coming off a season where he had been benched, demanded a trade, and had several leaks about being a bad teammate (and he stinks).

DeShaun Watson was younger, but I think it's fair to say he carries way, way more baggage and disruption than Rodgers (and hadn't played in two years).

Carr seems like a good dude, but he'll be 32 at the start of the league year, his best year is roughly Rodgers's 2022, and you're gonna have to do something with that contract.

They're obviously not going to be perfect comps, but the price on QBs is as high as it's ever been - even if you're just hoping to get adequacy for a couple years out of the guy you trade for. You could maybe make an argument that Matt Ryan is the best comp here (a third rounder), but he was also several years removed from being useful. It's a tricky trade scenario, but Green Bay doesn't even get cap relief from trading him, so you can just about guarantee he'll fetch a viable return if he gets dealt.

You listed 3 players, Deshaun Watson was 26, Carson Wentz was 28 & Sam Darnold was 23 when the trades were made.

Carr is just Hyperbole, which is why I ignored that. No one can say what another team would trade for him, as he has yet to leave the Raiders.

So me saying they were "about 25 or younger when those deals happened" was a fair statement.

[lambeauleap87]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

When has a 40 year old player been dealt for a 1st round plus?

At this point Rodgers is a risky rental. Maybe 1-2 years. That’s what makes it hard for me to buy into.

It's definitely an unprecedented scenario, no arguments there.

Originally Posted by Grid

You listed 3 players, Deshaun Watson was 26, Carson Wentz was 28 & Sam Darnold was 23 when the trades were made.

Carr is just Hyperbole, which is why I ignored that. No one can say what another team would trade for him, as he has yet to leave the Raiders.

So me saying they were "about 25 or younger when those deals happened" was a fair statement.

The point there was that those guys are either mediocre at best (Wentz/Darnold) or carried substantially more baggage/question marks (Watson) than Rodgers and still brought back hauls.

There's no perfect comp, but I left off the older, better QBs who were traded (Russ, Stafford) because he isn't bringing back that type of return. The last two years of starting QBs traded:

Matt Ryan - 3rd round pick
Deshaun Watson - three 1st round picks++ (predator + injury history + hadn't played in two years - outlier)
Russ Wilson - two 1sts, two 2nds+
Carson Wentz - 2nd/3rd (2022), 1st/3rd (2021)
Sam Darnold - 2nd/4th
Matthew Stafford - two 1sts (plus the caveat of Goff's salary dump - outlier)

I think it's reasonable to think a hypothetical Rodgers deal would end up somewhere around the median, which is somewhere in the midst of those Wentz deals.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

It's definitely an unprecedented scenario, no arguments there.



The point there was that those guys are either mediocre at best (Wentz/Darnold) or carried substantially more baggage/question marks (Watson) than Rodgers and still brought back hauls.

There's no perfect comp, but I left off the older, better QBs who were traded (Russ, Stafford) because he isn't bringing back that type of return. The last two years of starting QBs traded:

Matt Ryan - 3rd round pick
Deshaun Watson - three 1st round picks++ (predator + injury history + hadn't played in two years - outlier)
Russ Wilson - two 1sts, two 2nds+
Carson Wentz - 2nd/3rd (2022), 1st/3rd (2021)
Sam Darnold - 2nd/4th
Matthew Stafford - two 1sts (plus the caveat of Goff's salary dump - outlier)

I think it's reasonable to think a hypothetical Rodgers deal would end up somewhere around the median, which is somewhere in the midst of those Wentz deals.

A blend of Stafford and Ryan I think is the most reasonable…… maybe that’s a 1 and a 4…..maybe that’s 2 twos and a 4……….. but Rodgers although talented is old….. and if he does “commit” somewhere for 3 years to get a deal done and doesn’t waver on commitment…. Then it means he was just jerking around the Packers the last two years because he could.

Whether he’s my favorite player or not, that’s just a dumb thing to do and shows 15 plus years later he was so bitter about Favre getting away with it that he did the same out of spite. (Of course that’s all speculative)….. and I don’t think he will commit unwavering for any time more than a year …. Which would make any first round pick nearly impossible to get back. I do think a team may do a 2,3,4 or 2 twos for a one year rental. I think his play dipping a lot this year is a real concern for other teams now giving up anything significant. In my opinion he’s still got the goods minus the deep ball; he can still layer the ball from 0-30 yards with the best blend of pop and touch I’ve ever seen…… if he wants to still be a top 5 qb I think it’s possible somewhere else

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Haha.

So we're saying Favre and Rodgers are 1 and 1a when it comes to biggest gap between regular season and postseason performance?

I am 100% on board

The gap in passer rating/td to int ratio between regular season and playoffs would be a good indicator if a guy just can’t handle playoff games…. Manning is -10 or more, Brady -8/9…….. Rodgers at -3/4 is actually the third best I can find for players who played at least 10 or more playoff games. Montana was slightly better in the playoffs and I believe mahomes is -2/3

Rodgers played better in the post season compared to regular season than all but a few qbs in league history. This narrative is tiring

[oldgoldy97]

Bears should trade the #1 for him.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

The gap in passer rating/td to int ratio between regular season and playoffs would be a good indicator if a guy just can’t handle playoff games…. Manning is -10 or more, Brady -8/9…….. Rodgers at -3/4 is actually the third best I can find for players who played at least 10 or more playoff games. Montana was slightly better in the playoffs and I believe mahomes is -2/3

Rodgers played better in the post season compared to regular season than all but a few qbs in league history. This narrative is tiring

The best indicator of whether you can handle the playoffs is Ws and Ls.

If a guy consistently loses home playoff games, I'd say he can not handle the playoffs.

[kcroyalsfan8515]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

The gap in passer rating/td to int ratio between regular season and playoffs would be a good indicator if a guy just can’t handle playoff games…. Manning is -10 or more, Brady -8/9…….. Rodgers at -3/4 is actually the third best I can find for players who played at least 10 or more playoff games. Montana was slightly better in the playoffs and I believe mahomes is -2/3

Rodgers played better in the post season compared to regular season than all but a few qbs in league history. This narrative is tiring

Mahomes is actually the same currently but that's very fluid, but will obviously be different after this weekend and/or this playoff one way or another

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

The best indicator of whether you can handle the playoffs is Ws and Ls.

If a guy consistently loses home playoff games, I'd say he can not handle the playoffs.

One player leading one unit ….. cannot control the defense or special teams…… if his play is overall similar to what he’s historically done in the regular season… it means he can handle the playoffs

Like I said…. Brady, manning, roethlisberger……. Significantly worse play in the playoffs than their usual regular season performance…… this isn’t tennis or bowling where you control the outcome all alone… it’s a lot of moving parts

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Bears should trade the #1 for him.

Thanks, I just vomited up my breakfast.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Thanks, I just vomited up my breakfast.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Thanks, I just vomited up my breakfast.

You can have Mitch back for your #3.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You can have Mitch back for your #3.

Really putting the "steal" in Steelers.....

SaltSaltSalt

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Really putting the "steal" in Steelers.....

SaltSaltSalt

Him and Chase could be an A+ tandem.

[vthobby]

Brady is done and I think he is leaving at the right time.

Rodgers is done but he doesn't know it. He will hold the Packers hostage for a bit longer as he figures out his future stellar career move.

Rodgers is such a drama queen dope.

[lambeauleap87]

The only question pertaining to Rodgers is whether he plays in Green Bay or somewhere else this year, simply for the fact that there's no way he shares an induction stage with Brady in 2027.

[Athey49]

As big of a douche that Rodgers is, I think the 49ers win it all next year if he's at the helm. Only issue is what they have for picks. Trade Lance first, hope for a 2nd and change? Can't remember how many 3rd they have from compensatory picks. It's kind of a long shot but I wouldn't put it past Shanahan to do it

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Athey49

As big of a douche that Rodgers is, I think the 49ers win it all next year if he's at the helm. Only issue is what they have for picks. Trade Lance first, hope for a 2nd and change? Can't remember how many 3rd they have from compensatory picks. It's kind of a long shot but I wouldn't put it past Shanahan to do it

I can see this. Of all the character knocks on Rodgers, he shows up every Sunday. And even at his age, he stays pretty healthy.

The 49ers have $5MIL in cap space in 2023. If they can trade Lance (ideally directly to the Packers) that gives them nearly $10MIL more. They can get creative with some more to fit Rodgers bloated salary.

For sure, Rodgers would want to be in Cali and play for the 49ers. He would sign off on that trade in a heartbeat.

[lambeauleap87]

There is a better chance that Brett Favre is the starting QB for the 49ers next season than there is Rodgers playing there in 2023.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

One player leading one unit ….. cannot control the defense or special teams…… if his play is overall similar to what he’s historically done in the regular season… it means he can handle the playoffs

Like I said…. Brady, manning, roethlisberger……. Significantly worse play in the playoffs than their usual regular season performance…… this isn’t tennis or bowling where you control the outcome all alone… it’s a lot of moving parts

I don't really understand the mumbo jumbo you're talking about re: passing rating, TD and INT %'s...but what I can and will say comfortably is that Rodgers is the biggest reason GB lost to SF last year, and played a MAJOR role in losing to Tampa in the NFCCG the year prior. The stats in those games are not terrible looking - nearly 100 passer rating, 3-1 TD-INT ratio. If you actually watched and remember those games, his missile lock on Davante Adams combined with his desire to take downfield kill shots rather than take the short passes given to him by the defense led to 10 total sacks, many of which were drive killers. Against Tampa, they intercepted Brady THREE STRAIGHT DRIVES. Got a touchdown on the first, then had two quick 3 and outs, each including a sack and a downfield home run shot. Underneath route runners were open on all 6 of those scrimmage plays. Rodgers cannot put his ego aside and dink/dunk down the field when that is what is presented by the defense. Against the 49ers, more of the same. Targeted really only Adams and Jones, left the 'unsexy' 6-8 yard throws underneath and across the middle to other targets off his radar. The result was 10 measly points. In 48 tries, guess how many times Tom Brady scored 10 or less in a playoff game? Zero.

Are ALL the post season losses his fault? No, not even close. But the last two he has been nothing short of craptastic. Recency bias is a real thing, and given his age...it's more than noteworthy. I don't see Rodgers winning another SB...

[prospectorgems]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

There is a better chance that Brett Favre is the starting QB for the 49ers next season than there is Rodgers playing there in 2023.

I agree, no way the Packers trade Rodgers to an NFC team, especially the 49ers that have owned the Packers in the playoffs.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

There is a better chance that Brett Favre is the starting QB for the 49ers next season than there is Rodgers playing there in 2023.

Packers won't be good until after this 49er window - I don't think they'd have to worry about playing ARod and the 9ers in the playoffs anytime soon.

[packman80]

With Lance and Purdy I can't see the 49ers trading for Rodgers. I think it's the Jets, Miami, TB, NOLA

I think one of those 4 would be desperate enough to give GB a 2024 1st and and conditional 2025 3rd round pick that can go as high as anothr 1st if said team trading for him makes the SB if they make the playoffs it becomes a 2nd.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by prospectorgems

I agree, no way the Packers trade Rodgers to an NFC team, especially the 49ers that have owned the Packers in the playoffs.

I don't mind the 49ers being the grand-owner of the Bears

[49erRCCollector]

Rodgers ain't making no $40 mil with the Niners. He's just not.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Rodgers ain't making no $40 mil with the Niners. He's just not.

If he was really super hungry to win and wanted to give himself the best chance….. he would play for 10-12 million in sf and do whatever he possibly could to make that trade feasible. That would also make the playing field uneven…. And such an uneven playing field was how Brady got an advantage for so long, not to mention winning 3 early while making essentially nothing.

I wouldn’t blame anyone for not taking a pay cut to win….. but those that do…. I think it tells you a little extra about just how bad they want it/and/or care about their legacy.

Unfortunately I don’t see Rodgers doing it, and both he and the Packers are foolish for not trying to do this after 2020. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it