I would not buy Topps Kobe RC as an investment card

[brettmik59]

Classic case of just too high a pop report to sustain price once the hype fades and investors evacuate. Not to mention it's a common card that was then graded en masse following the spike.

[Dame]

I think the craze on his autographs are next. There’s just too many of them. Obviously some are safer than others but his lower end will see more dips (Market is steadily declining on those anyway)

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by lseecon

Kobe Bryant 1996 Topps PSA 10-----2,235 is current Pop report


Lets see where the pop report is in in 10 days. That will give all these people claiming they have or others have tens of thousands of raw gem mint Kobe base cards plenty of time to have had them graded at $200 a pop per PSA's 5 day turnaround service. Heck if you have dozens, whey not pay the $500 per card and get your Gem Mint PSA 10 Kobe cards back in ONE day from PSA and then sell them to all the "idiots" for $3,000 to
$6,000 who are overpaying for his iconic rookie base card.

Will people go through their 1996 cards and try and find gem mint Kobe rookie cards? I am sure there will be some of that, but his card prices spiked 6 months ago so they had plenty of time to do that. Why hasnt the number of 10s ballooned over the last 6 months?

While the card is by no means rare, it is condition sensitive and there are alot less raw out there then people think..

Come on lets see those hundreds of thousands of raw gem mint Kobe cards that are out there just waiting to become PSA 10s.

Originally Posted by lseecon

This will be my last post on this topic. When you read just moronic and dumb posts you feel a need to reply and that's why i have been replying.



2. Clearly if that was the case, the number of 10s would have been much much higher over years. Nobody has hundreds of gem mint base Kobe's ungraded sitting around. Ok maybe one or two super collectors/hoarders do but those cards wont see the light of day anytime soon.

3. Its funny how the posters who want to bash the 1996 Topps Kobe keep claiming that there are tens of thousands of raw copies just waiting to be graded, but its not themselves that have those stacks of raw copies, its always "some one" else or "some body I know." If gem mint raw copies are so plentiful and abundant then how come all the "experts" who keep chiming in don't seem to have any?

5. Most of the raw copies that could gem have long been graded. Could we see an explosion of graded 10s? Perhaps another 1,000 get added to the mix over the next few months? I think that is highly unlikely but even if happens, there would still be less 10s than the Trout and Luka, Griffey, and a host of others. Could prices drop, sure, but it wont be because of an explosion of newly graded PSA 10s. That wont happen. Perhaps demand overall drops, but supply is not going to explode like all these posters and uniformed people keep suggesting.

Originally Posted by lseecon

Thought it was a good time to bump this thread and check the pop report of the flagship topps rookie card, because certainly in the past three months, there must have been thousands and thousands of new PSA 10s graded according to some of the "savants" who post on these boards.

So three months later, only about 300 more PSA 10s graded? WTF? During the biggest price explosion of modern basketball cards in history? What happened to those thousands of gem mint raw Kobe 96 topps rookies that are sitting in boxes to be graded?

Even I am surprised the pop report on 10s has not budged very much during this period. Certainly, those who are sitting on hundreds and thousands of gem mint 10 raw Kobe flagship rookies

Have prices of Kobe rookie cards dropped like all basketball rookie cards the last three months----of course.......

is it because of a huge increase in the supply of PSA 10 1996 Topps Topps cards. Of course not.

Still crazy to me that there are only 2600 PSA 10 base topps Kobe rookie cards graded.

But hey there are thousands and thousands of these just waiting to get graded PSA 10------lets bump this again in a year and see how foolish some of these people bashing the iconic topps kobe rookie card are because there are thousands just out there waiting to become psa 10s.

Originally Posted by mc1

The 1996 Topps Kobe is at 3572 PSA 10's.

Total graded Topps Kobe RCs = 26,976

The current market price of a '96 Topps Kobe paper rookie PSA 10 is ~$1500

It is hilarious to go back in the thread and see the one dick who talked down to others be proven wrong. It's not just the woefully bad takes, it's the talking down like the OTHER people are the idiots. Who doesn't love a good schadenfreude.

The total pop has increased over 150% since the thread was started last August.

The Gem Mint Pop has increased 60% since the thread.

We haven't even gone through the mass of Kobe's that would have been submitted in the Q1 2021 wave yet, though they may be in higher service level batches...

It's as if the established members in the hobby who mocked you bass heads about this card knew what they were talking about...

Price is down roughly 80% on the PSA10 from last August. That's not even counting the geniuses who FOMO'd into this thing in Q1 of 2021. They're looking at massive losses as well.

Hopefully people didn't learn their lesson. I would like another dumb money run to pawn junk off to.

[k13]

There's more autographs than his topps rookie psa 10 by far.

[k13]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

That seems crazy to me. Are they fakes?

Seems normal.
Card is selling high. Everyone submits them.
Not exactly condition sensitive card.
Psa easy on centering.
Regrades.

[Nomad]

"My card my price" is a refrain I've heard more than once in the past month. When I gently point out that the ask is 2x current. But even then the Topps is not high on my list. 50th anni maybe.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Nomad

"My card my price" is a refrain I've heard more than once in the past month. When I gently point out that the ask is 2x current. But even then the Topps is not high on my list. 50th anni maybe.

The my card my price people are the worst.

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by k13

There's more autographs than his topps rookie psa 10 by far.

Can't really compare his autos to Topps base RC, you're basically comparing a bunch of different cards from different sets to one card. Thats like saying there's more Kobe low numbered inserts combined compared to his Topps RC by far. What a dumb comparison. Folks who collect Kobe autos want the different ones but nobody needs 10 of the same Kobe Topps RC. I've sold 25 of my 35 Kobe autos earlier this year mainly because I thought prices were risen to outrageously high levels so I wanted to cash in some at least. I can tell you that vast majority that bought from me actually bought it to add it to their collections. Unlike the base Topps RC where pretty much all were bought for a quick flip, not many folks actually care about having that card in there collection. Yes Kobe autos also dipped a bit in the past few months, but no more than the dips of any other players. Some Kobe Autos that doesn't come up for sale often haven't dipped at all.

[k13]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Can't really compare his autos to Topps base RC, you're basically comparing a bunch of different cards from different sets to one card. Thats like saying there's more Kobe low numbered inserts compared to his Topps RC by far. Folks who collect Kobe autos want the different ones but nobody needs 10 of the same Kobe Topps RC. I've sold 25 of my 35 Kobe autos earlier this year mainly because I thought prices were risen to outrageously high levels so I wanted to cash in some at least. I can tell you that vast majority that bought from me actually bought it to add it to their collections. Unlike the base Topps RC where pretty much all bought for a quick flip, not many folks actually care about having that card in there collection. Yes Kobe autos also dipped a bit in the past few months, but no more than the dips of any other players. Some Kobe Autos that doesn't come up for sale often haven't dipped at all.

At the end of the day no one would care about his auto if he did not die.
He'd still be $150-$200.

His 3 color games used patch auto in Immaculate were sitting on Ebay for $200 and no one wanted them. Now people want to "collect"....

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by k13

At the end of the day no one would care about his auto if he did not die.
He'd still be $150-$200.

His 3 color games used patch auto in Immaculate were sitting on Ebay for $200 and no one wanted them. Now people want to "collect"....

But he did die and can't sign again, so whats your point lol. Jordan and Lebron did not die but their autos steadily declined in value during the 2000s because Upper Deck was pumping out more and more every year. But as soon as UD lost their license and cannot make their NBA uniform autos anymore, those shot up in price immediately and continued to steadily risen in the past 10 years. Its literally the same example. Another example would be Bill Russell autos, his autos used to be very cheap, but right now people are anticipating him being in the end of his years and are buying up his autos at high prices left and right. Btw I have been following Kobe autos put up for sale, there's already less put up FS in these few months compared to from late last year till June of this year.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

At the end of the day no one would care about his auto if he did not die.
He'd still be $150-$200.

His 3 color games used patch auto in Immaculate were sitting on Ebay for $200 and no one wanted them. Now people want to "collect"....

It's funny when you always throw out "nobody cares" about players when the data suggests otherwise. Kobe autos were selling in that range because there were so many out there and the perception was he'd be signing for years to come, but even with the abundance of autos he had, his autos still commanded better than most current stars and retired vets sans rookies. If "nobody cares" like you state, then why were auto's still one of the better hits to get in modern products?

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by Chris P

It's funny when you always throw out "nobody cares" about players when the data suggests otherwise. Kobe autos were selling in that range because there were so many out there and the perception was he'd be signing for years to come, but even with the abundance of autos he had, his autos still commanded better than most current stars and retired vets sans rookies. If "nobody cares" like you state, then why were auto's still one of the better hits to get in modern products?

And he keeps saying $150 to $200 which were prices before the basketball card boom lol, Curry Durant autos were also those prices then. What an idiot lmao

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

And he keeps saying $150 to $200 which were prices before the basketball card boom lol, Curry Durant autos were also those prices then. What an idiot lmao

It's K13..what do you expect lol. Same guy who says nobody cares about Griffey because his random card shop in Canada hasn't sold a Griffey card in 10 years..because ya know..his random card shop in Canada is the pulse of the entire hobby

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

UPDATE:

As of this morning, 05/07/2021 and 165 days since my previous update.

The 1996 Topps Kobe is at 2,958 PSA 10's. +380

The 1954 Topps Hank Aaron is at 4,575 total graded (non-qualifiers). +170

Also, the current market price of a '96 Topps Kobe paper rookie PSA 10 is ~$5,000.

UPDATE:

As of today, 12/15/2021 and 222 days since my previous update.

The 1996 Topps Kobe is at 2,958 PSA 10's. +614

The 1954 Topps Hank Aaron is at 4,750 total graded (non-qualifiers). +175

Also, the current market price of a '96 Topps Kobe paper rookie PSA 10 is ~$1,400.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

I think I am going to have to start a thread on "liquidity." This concept is ridiculous. It's a thing that sounds smart because it uses a fancy business term but in actuality it is not smart--quite the opposite actually.

"Oh, liquidity is really important because it means the card is easy to move and you can find comps!"

Finding comps is not that hard. Learn ratios. Learn how to use other players, other sets, other cards in the same set to ballpark. Learn how to list a card OBO to let offers roll in. Learn about a thing called the auction format which for any popular card ensures a market-clearing price.

Oh dear, my Optic Gold /10 Mahomes hasn't had a sale in months. What ever shall I do. Well if I really want to know the price there's actually quite a bit as I've explained! But actually, I'm content to let my "illiquid" asset (it's actually not truly illiquid) sit and grow and value. Maybe every now and then whip it out for a flex on the insta because unlike your "liquid" asset it isn't something that you see everyday, on every profile.

Now, liquidity does have benefits if you're trying to manipulate markets. A card that sells everyday is easy to hoard and pump. But this isn't the "virtue" of liquidity that is being touted to impressionable new investors.

"Liquidity" being touted as an argument in favor of base needs to get tossed in the waste bit, alongside "this card has room to grow because look at the (total outlier) Luka prizm pop report!" There are actual arguments for the importance of base--I've even written a post of them. But, yeah, there is virtually nil value to "liquidity" and yet I hear it touted daily as this big important thing that is worth huge premiums.

Best comment in the thread.

[regularp]

I sold mine a little below the peak. The prices were just insane.

[Nomad]

I wouldn't buy any Kobe card as an investment, unless it was top 100 and had a CSG 10 pop of under 100, with no silver foil or chrome parallel (errors ok). Then, I would aim for 8s thru 9s and pay a premium for raw.

[armoursave]

I think on-card auto is blue chip. Anything sticker will tank.

[k13]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

And he keeps saying $150 to $200 which were prices before the basketball card boom lol, Curry Durant autos were also those prices then. What an idiot lmao

Maybe that should tell you something.

[Gem10collection]

Easy one here folks!

Buy Kobe (rare 90's, 2000's refractors, autos, panini parallels) and come back this time next year and I would not be surprised if it's 2x.

But, gees, who wants to wait one entire year?

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by k13

Maybe that should tell you something.

Yes it tells me you're either an idiot or a troll, or perhaps both. Its a heck of an achievement to have achieved the kind of reputation you have on these boards.

[k13]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Yes it tells me you're either an idiot or a troll.

So you think people cared the same way about Kobe's auto then as they do now???

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

So you think people cared the same way about Kobe's auto then as they do now???

As usual you change the narrative..you said nobody cared about kobe autos period which is ridiculous and dumb bc they still sold well BEFORE the pandemic and despite the market being saturated with them. Of course there's more interest now post death because he won't have anymore autos period

[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by k13

So you think people cared the same way about Kobe's auto then as they do now???

Its natural for human beings to want someone's autos more after they passed away, mainly because they know the person can no longer sign anymore and now there's a finite supply. Are you really that stupid that you can't comprehend this simple logic??? I wanted a Kobe auto collection, but was not active buying them then because I thought Panini would have Kobe sign tons more for the next 20 years and I can get them for even cheaper. Who knew the big tragedy would happen so suddenly. I don't go ahead and bet on the person dying tragically at 42 years old. I also know alot of folks also sold Jordan and Lebron autos back in the late 2000s that they still liked because they thought they can rebuy them later at cheaper prices since Upper Deck was making them easier and easier to pull each year. Then they lost their license and rest is history. Its not that difficult of logic you numbskull lol.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

Its natural for human beings to want someone's autos more after they passed away, mainly because they know the person can no longer sign anymore and now there's a finite supply. Are you really that stupid that you can't comprehend this simple logic??? I wanted a Kobe auto collection, but was not active buying them then because I thought Panini would have Kobe sign tons more for the next 20 years and I can get them for even cheaper. Who knew the big tragedy would happen so suddenly. I know alot of folks also sold Jordan and Lebron autos back in the late 2000s that they still liked because they thought they can rebuy them later at cheaper prices since Upper Deck was making them easier and easier to pull each year. Then they lost their license and rest us history. Its not that difficult of logic you numbskull lol.

He won't respond to logic and facts..when facts are presented he goes to other threads to spew garbage or he ignores what you posted and keeps posting