2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade - Page 46

darealstunna · 05-20-2015, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lisu

I literally just looked at this thread, and wow, the cards in the product are amazing. I just want to know - can I buy one of those cases without buying the product?

I'll sell you mine.
Hit me up next week.

tonedef2oo8 · 05-20-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tentimesodds

This thread has gone really off the rails. Can we get back to pictures of pretty slabbed cards and sell sheets of the product?

Nothing is stopping you from looking at them. Unless you now run this place and I missed the memo.

theRLO · 05-20-2015, 02:28 PM

I would also like a Pelican case or the case this comes in, if anyone does not want theirs.

Yes, I know I can buy one online for like $50, but if anyone does not want theirs, please let me know.

kinar · 05-20-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

This is the kind of double-speak that has gotten very popular in this thread. You aren't asking him to do it, don't expect him to do it, but want to know why he isn't doing it and what he might be hiding because he isn't doing it.

I've been positive towards not only him but the product during this entire email chain and I'm sure he will agree with that. PR has provided the best transparency of any business in the market that I'm aware of and while and that is the whole reason I'm in this thread. I'm not a buyer of Draft when it was released from topps and I'm not a buyer from PR either. I'm here entirely from an educational standpoint (my own).

However, asking for something and asking why not are two different questions. There are a lot of other people running businesses in the card industry in this thread, the question could be answered by anyone. It has been posted as a general question that happens to be on his thread since that is where the topic of discussion was initially posted. It could be in any thread or even on any other forum.

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Originally Posted by no10pin

The ROI for the end user and what he spent are two entirely different things. For example, the black label 10s that came back will provide much better ROI than what he spent on the card and grading. Providing the checklist gives everything that anyone should need to know. The actual dollars he spent to get those cards are irrelevent to anyone but him.

Not sure what your point here is. You are absolutely correct that they are different things. As I stated, I'm not a buyer either way so I'm interested in his end.

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

So you think private corporations don't make their #'s readily available to the public for these reasons???????? How about they don't because their is no requirement or benefit of doing so. That is one of the reasons they keep their corporations private.

And you used obvious twice in one sentence which just makes you like unintelligent to start :/

So not being required to do so is your only reasoning you are offering?

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Originally Posted by Adamchuk

I will answer your questions - why wouldn't he do it?

There are numerous private enterprises throughout the world that are not required to publicly publish their financials. Does that mean they are hiding anything or doing anything illegal? No it doesn't. The assumption that you make, its that because they don't publish, they are. You are very wrong.

Also - why would a private enterprise publish their margin information for competitors to see and undercut on price or product? Its not a trade secret, but it does speak to being able to run a profitable business and limit the threat / knowledge of competitors with respect to how you do run your business.

Secondly - a balance sheet wouldn't tell you how much he made on this product, you are looking for the income statement there in order to truly see how profitable he was. The balance sheet will tell you the overall health of a company in a snapshot of time, but the IS will give you a more accurate picture of his true costs and margins for releasing the product.

Please don't comment on topics you really have no basis for discussing or being able to back up except to say that he must be doing something illegal because he runs a private enterprise

My apologies for using the wrong terminology for what I was referencing. Thank you for the correction but I don't think that invalidates the question or revokes my credentials for asking questions about it.

As for being undercut by competitors. If they aren't being greedy this isn't a problem. greed = unethical (and no...just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it ethical)

jewcer2k5 · 05-20-2015, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kinar

So not being required to do so is your only reasoning you are offering?

As for being undercut by competitors. If they aren't being greedy this isn't a problem. greed = unethical (and no...just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it ethical)

A - Yes. The main reason public corporations disclose their books is because it is a requirement. As for private corporations they typically disclose their books either when they go public or they seek private funding (and they only disclose it to the people they are seeking that funding from.

B - Ethics - Please read the definition. Greed is VERY far from unethical. Greed is actually what our country was built on. Our (assuming you are from the USA) forefathers did not want to pay taxes because they were technically greedy and wanted more money. So it was unethical for the US to be founded?

C - If you are from the US and don't think it's OK for private businesses to make money (at whatever rate they can possibly achieve) please consider moving to a socialist or communist country. Capitalism is what our country was built on and even though Will is from Canada he still has that American spirit. Seems like you don't.

Stop just throwing words and phrases around that you don't know the definition or proper use of.

Edit - How much did you pay for that Mantle card in your COMC? I see you are asking $8 for it. Is that at an approved profit rate?

calculusdork · 05-20-2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

B - Ethics - Please read the definition. Greed is VERY far from unethical. Greed is actually what our country was built on. Our (assuming you are from the USA) forefathers did not want to pay taxes because they were technically greedy and wanted more money. So it was unethical for the US to be founded?

Stop just throwing words and phrases around that you don't know the definition or proper use of.

Ha ... thank you for posting this.

I honestly don't care if Will makes a million dollars on this. (Being hyperbolic, I know.) At the same time, it is interesting to see the analysis on how much the product likely cost and, therefore, how much estimated 'value' is in each case. I'm honestly expecting about 90% of cases to be losers value-wise. If buyers are OK with that (and clearly they are), then I suppose so be it.

sfguy115 · 05-20-2015, 02:46 PM

That Bryce kid can sure hit!

death2redemptions · 05-20-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

A - Yes. The main reason public corporations disclose their books is because it is a requirement. As for private corporations they typically disclose their books either when they go public or they seek private funding (and they only disclose it to the people they are seeking that funding from.

B - Ethics - Please read the definition. Greed is VERY far from unethical. Greed is actually what our country was built on. Our (assuming you are from the USA) forefathers did not want to pay taxes because they were technically greedy and wanted more money. So it was unethical for the US to be founded?

C - If you are from the US and don't think it's OK for private businesses to make money (at whatever rate they can possibly achieve) please consider moving to a socialist or communist country. Capitalism is what our country was built on and even though Will is from Canada he still has that American spirit. Seems like you don't.

Stop just throwing words and phrases around that you don't know the definition or proper use of.

Edit - How much did you pay for that Mantle card in your COMC? I see you are asking $8 for it. Is that at an approved profit rate?

You smell that? That's the egg in your face kiner

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Originally Posted by sfguy115

That Bryce kid can sure hit!

This comment is sort of...out of the ordinary.

cp312 · 05-20-2015, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kinar

As for being undercut by competitors. If they aren't being greedy this isn't a problem. greed = unethical (and no...just because everyone else does it, doesn't make it ethical)

Greed is not unethical, if you want to talk about maximizing profit margins as greedy then go call Coca-Cola, PepsiCo or any other consumer goods company that THRIVES off making a ton of money with low cost inputs.

Next time you buy a can of coke (or any processed food or generic consumer product like toothpaste) for X cost, just remember they are making a HUGE percentage on that, and that PR's margin likely isn't even close, so to call him unethical is preposterous.

Companies don't have to charge you X amount for their product, but they can and will. Even when they put a sale on that seems like an amazing deal they are probably still laughing with the amount of margin they make from those sales, but are you calling them and complaining? I doubt it. Capitalism is what it is.

Keep doing your thing PR, can't wait for the breaks.

no10pin · 05-20-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kinar

Not sure what your point here is. You are absolutely correct that they are different things. As I stated, I'm not a buyer either way so I'm interested in his end.

Because it's the only thing that matters to anyone but him. If he can create a $500 card by purchasing a $200 card and paying a $7 grading fee, the important figure to everyone involved is $500. The $207 investment only matters to him, and apparently nosy people who otherwise have no interest in the product.

RYBOWSKI97 · 05-20-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

A - Yes. The main reason public corporations disclose their books is because it is a requirement. As for private corporations they typically disclose their books either when they go public or they seek private funding (and they only disclose it to the people they are seeking that funding from.

B - Ethics - Please read the definition. Greed is VERY far from unethical. Greed is actually what our country was built on. Our (assuming you are from the USA) forefathers did not want to pay taxes because they were technically greedy and wanted more money. So it was unethical for the US to be founded?

C - If you are from the US and don't think it's OK for private businesses to make money (at whatever rate they can possibly achieve) please consider moving to a socialist or communist country. Capitalism is what our country was built on and even though Will is from Canada he still has that American spirit. Seems like you don't.

Stop just throwing words and phrases around that you don't know the definition or proper use of.

Edit - How much did you pay for that Mantle card in your COMC? I see you are asking $8 for it. Is that at an approved profit rate?

lol at this comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here we go again, do u just have to correct and argue with everyone. how much did u pay for the clint frazier card u wanted to sell me an hour after i already bought one. what was your profit on it. i know you will reply cause you live for the drama.

RYBOWSKI97 · 05-20-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by death2redemptions

I don't believe you. Please post scans of your W-2 form & receipts of all your paychecks.

lets see yours, im sure that would be a sight lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

jewcer2k5 · 05-20-2015, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

lol at this comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
here we go again, do u just have to correct and argue with everyone. how much did u pay for the clint frazier card u wanted to sell me an hour after i already bought one. what was your profit on it. i know you will reply cause you live for the drama.

I think you should read what was posted to see why I wrote it instead of speaking without knowing. Seriously makes you look stupid.

If I disagree I will disagree. Isn't that what ALL your posts are about? Is this another case of whats good for you isn't good for others?

You are the one that replied to me AGAIN.

I am a private corporation and don't find it necessary for any private corporations to disclose their financials.

Like I said before PLEASE stop trolling me.

Its flattering and all, but I'm sure others don't want to read it.

Please note YOU are the one starting drama. Obviously you don't see that though :/

RYBOWSKI97 · 05-20-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I think you should read what was posted to see why I wrote it instead of speaking without knowing. Seriously makes you look stupid.

You are the one that replied to me AGAIN.

I am a private corporation and don't find it necessary for any private corporations to disclose their financials.

Like I said before PLEASE stop trolling me.

Its flattering and all, but I'm sure others don't want to read it.

private corporation..thats does what....group breaks and trading cards lol!!! oh man you are too much
this makes you look stupid----------------------------------------------http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/857926-input-please.html

Bob Loblaw · 05-20-2015, 03:48 PM

Greed is good.

jewcer2k5 · 05-20-2015, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

private corporation..thats does what....group breaks and trading cards lol!!! oh man you are too much
this makes you look stupid----------------------------------------------http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/857926-input-please.html

Linking something you asked me to stop talking about?

I own 2 business and they are both LLC's.

Asking for advice in a community instead of making a snap decision is the exact opposite of making someone look stupid.

Enjoy trolling.

RYBOWSKI97 · 05-20-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Linking something you asked me to stop talking about?

I own 2 business and they are both LLC's.

Asking for advice in a community instead of making a snap decision is the exact opposite of making someone look stupid.

Enjoy trolling.

thats funny cause i dont see any business under the name of joshua cohen....enjoy lying more.

jewcer2k5 · 05-20-2015, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

thats funny cause i dont see any business under the name of joshua cohen....enjoy lying more.

If I had to prove to you that I owned 2 businesses I would be pathetic.

I don't need your approval to know what I do and don't do.

This is the most petty and extreme case of trolling I've found around here so far.

This is my last response and if you reply anymore each and every post will be reported as harassment.

Bob Loblaw · 05-20-2015, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

If I had to prove to you that I owned 2 businesses I would be pathetic.

I don't need your approval to know what I do and don't do.

This is the most petty and extreme case of trolling I've found around here so far.

This is my last response and if you reply anymore each and every post will be reported as harassment.

I've seen pettier and more extreme cases of trolling.

I was unaware that you were a fellow member of the tribe.

I also have to believe that somewhere, someone with your name owns at least two businesses.

cnewby · 05-20-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

If I had to prove to you that I owned 2 businesses I would be pathetic.

I don't need your approval to know what I do and don't do.

This is the most petty and extreme case of trolling I've found around here so far.

This is my last response and if you reply anymore each and every post will be reported as harassment.

...but not pathetic to have to tell us all you own two businesses? Just curious the difference.

jewcer2k5 · 05-20-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

...but not pathetic to have to tell us all you own two businesses? Just curious the difference.

I'm a proud small business owner.

That's now pathetic?

What is this country coming too.

cnewby · 05-20-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I'm a proud small business owner.

That's now pathetic?

What is this country coming too.

That was your word, not mine.

bankdawg · 05-20-2015, 04:07 PM

Lots of ignorance in this thread, thats well actually entertaining me...

but this by jewcer is spot on. I'm not participating in this product because that's my choice! you see, i get to choose if i want to or not, and as of right now, i'm not... Even though it looks really awesome and has some sick hits in it. It is kinda cool though that i contributed to some of the slabs. And as a side note, I hope ML/PR makes a nice chunk off of it.

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

A - Yes. The main reason public corporations disclose their books is because it is a requirement. As for private corporations they typically disclose their books either when they go public or they seek private funding (and they only disclose it to the people they are seeking that funding from.

B - Ethics - Please read the definition. Greed is VERY far from unethical. Greed is actually what our country was built on. Our (assuming you are from the USA) forefathers did not want to pay taxes because they were technically greedy and wanted more money. So it was unethical for the US to be founded?

C - If you are from the US and don't think it's OK for private businesses to make money (at whatever rate they can possibly achieve) please consider moving to a socialist or communist country. Capitalism is what our country was built on and even though Will is from Canada he still has that American spirit. Seems like you don't.

Stop just throwing words and phrases around that you don't know the definition or proper use of.

Edit - How much did you pay for that Mantle card in your COMC? I see you are asking $8 for it. Is that at an approved profit rate?

jewcer2k5 · 05-20-2015, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

That was your word, not mine.

You asked if it's pathetic to say I own 2 businesses.

It's pathetic if I have to "prove it".

I think it's pretty obvious on here that I'm honest. If this troll (not you) doesn't know how to use the Internet to find them that's not really my problem.

gorillaz · 05-20-2015, 04:22 PM

What the hell happened to this thread?!?! It was first about ML showing his product off then became a thread of arguing about business and other nonsensical crap.

If you want to argue, there is a section called off topic where you can bicker amongst yourselves.

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gorillaz Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 10,924	What the hell happened to this thread?!?! It was first about ML showing his product off then became a thread of arguing about business and other nonsensical crap. If you want to argue, there is a section called off topic where you can bicker amongst yourselves.