are Kyrie Irving's cards already too high to flip?

LeonfromNC · 10-14-2013, 06:22 PM

another member made a comment to me the other day that made me think about Kyrie Irving's card prices from an investment standpoint.

he said, "Kyrie's cards values are already too high to make any decent profit on"

what are your thoughts on this?

i actually have to agree with him for the most part although most of his autographs can be had for 30-40% of what they were going for last season...

do you think kyrie's higher end cards have more potential then lower end?

i know i have a nt rpa in my avatar, but they have even dropped 30-40% since release in july.

if kyrie breaks out this year and establishes himself as the top 1 or 2 point guard in the game, how much can his cards really increase in value?

i think at the most, 30-40% but that would put them at the prices they were last season.

thenwhatjk · 10-14-2013, 06:23 PM

yes, ten characters

xavieronly1 · 10-14-2013, 06:25 PM

You can't be top 1 or 2 PG without carrying your team to playoff at least. In the end, it is all about winning, not about balling.

Koiz · 10-14-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xavieronly1

You can't be top 1 or 2 PG without carrying your team to playoff at least. In the end, it is all about winning, not about balling.

^^this is true, look at chris paul. His cards basically dropped or maintained their value. Only chance of kyrie to go up is to dominate the league. After two or 3 years in the nba.. Every card settles to a certain price up until they win championships. Just my 2 cents.

ASAPPORKY · 10-14-2013, 07:02 PM

I'm pretty sure when Rose's Exquisite RPA came out they were selling for around 1500 a pop ... Now they go for close to double that right? So, Yes there most certainly is room to grow. If he becomes good enough to fit in the category with CP3 & Rose then yeah, why wouldn't his cards rise?

MavsRChamps · 10-14-2013, 09:12 PM

Yes probably. To people saying, wait until he becomes a Legit Superstar, etc. - I don't even think that would affect his prices because the people buying his cards now already EXPECT him to be a superstar ... He would have to go above and beyond the expectations of his biggest fans (The people buying his cards now) for them to increase in profits

It's like that w/ any player though - In order for the Value to go ^^^, a player does not just have to improve, but exceed the expectations of improvement

EricMetcalf21 · 10-14-2013, 09:18 PM

Cavs going to be top 4-5 team in the east this year.

He will go up, people will probably see him more on tv if they win like i think they will, remember, hes been on national tv once in a game, and then the all star game. he has got no exposure, but tnt chatting about him during pre-games.

EMD34 · 10-14-2013, 09:33 PM

I'm not sure they can go any higher unless he wins an MVP or a Championship.

IamRalpho · 10-14-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricMetcalf21

Cavs going to be top 4-5 team in the east this year.

He will go up, people will probably see him more on tv if they win like i think they will, remember, hes been on national tv once in a game, and then the all star game. he has got no exposure, but tnt chatting about him during pre-games.

They'll make the playoffs, I can feel good with that. A top 4 team? No way. A lot of bad breaks will need to befell the Nets/Knicks/Pacers/Buls

Especially when Bynum hasnt even played yet.

Anyways, no idea on Kyries cards, just wanted to add that.

Jopeal · 10-14-2013, 09:40 PM

I love Kyrie as a player but have stayed away from his cards so far due to his stuff being overvalued IMO.

crazymj · 10-14-2013, 11:18 PM

Also a lot of kyrie autos were selling very high during the season last year because there was a big lack of products due to panini releasing only 3 product the year before with no rc autos! So when some of his first autos came out, people were going crazy on it, all the Prizm autos were going for like $400, his redemption xrco from past present/limited were going for $300+ and his gold standard redemption were going for $400-500. And now that they're finally live (oh wait, still waiting on limited!!!) P&P going for $100, and gold going for $160-200.

And now with more and more products coming out with tons of kyrie autos, (flawless, immaculate), his older product autos and rcs are just going to keep dropping. And i don't think kyrie is as explosive as derrick rose.

EricMetcalf21 · 10-16-2013, 11:06 AM

I think the 11-12 GS are nice cards, and I would buy every one of them at 160, that number should be 190-200 instead of 160-200. You cant get em under 190 from what I have been seeing. P&P goes over 100 as well.

2012space852 · 10-16-2013, 11:09 AM

Drose autos there but limited or at least not as crazy as the amount of kyries out there, and this among with the fact its actually a bit tough to pull a kyrie.

Does kyries ugly looking auto have a part in the value?

CP3toOKC · 10-16-2013, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koiz

^^this is true, look at chris paul. His cards basically dropped or maintained their value. Only chance of kyrie to go up is to dominate the league. After two or 3 years in the nba.. Every card settles to a certain price up until they win championships. Just my 2 cents.

I agree with Chris Paul's autograph statement, but only because people aren't buying his NOH cards but I'd assume they are waiting for his LAC cards. And go against the argument of the winning a championship, what about Tony Parker? Multiple championships but his autographs are still far less than Paul's. Or Rajon Rondo's autos?

ninjacookies · 10-16-2013, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASAPPORKY

I'm pretty sure when Rose's Exquisite RPA came out they were selling for around 1500 a pop ... Now they go for close to double that right? So, Yes there most certainly is room to grow. If he becomes good enough to fit in the category with CP3 & Rose then yeah, why wouldn't his cards rise?

Apples to Oranges.

Rose won the league MVP title AND lead his team deep in the playoffs that year. He basically had the world in his hands.

To say kyrie can/will do the same soon is quite a stretch. I just don't ever see cleveland making big noise in the east. Kyrie is sick, but Lebron is on another echelon when it comes to single handedly carrying a terrible team.

Koiz · 10-17-2013, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CP3toOKC

I agree with Chris Paul's autograph statement, but only because people aren't buying his NOH cards but I'd assume they are waiting for his LAC cards. And go against the argument of the winning a championship, what about Tony Parker? Multiple championships but his autographs are still far less than Paul's. Or Rajon Rondo's autos?

You have a point. But i think part of the reason is both Rondo and Parker are not the face of their franchise.. Rondo had pierce,allen and KG then for parker it's still tim duncan's team. But don't get me wrong..they do deserve some love from collectors as they are great players. It is unfortunate that they really never got the recognition that they deserve but i'm pretty sure that they have the respect of players from the league which might be more important to them. But that's a very good point. Thanks

EricMetcalf21 · 10-17-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CP3toOKC

I agree with Chris Paul's autograph statement, but only because people aren't buying his NOH cards but I'd assume they are waiting for his LAC cards. And go against the argument of the winning a championship, what about Tony Parker? Multiple championships but his autographs are still far less than Paul's. Or Rajon Rondo's autos?

Your so right about Tony Parker. He is the mystery I can never understand. He basically beat the Heat all by himself in that one game.

Stat Monsters · 10-17-2013, 10:33 PM

...any player's card who has only one season under their belt whose rookie card can rival the value of many HOF players who proved their carboard clout is overpriced in my opinion...

Today's hot rookie is tomorrow's.... (fill in the blank name)... that nobody remembers or cares about.

Look at the history of just the #1 Overall NBA Draft Picks and the forgotten far out number the remembered, there's more duds than studs, and even those who were once great players and had a good career but are out of the spotlight have lots of cards, rookies, autographs and jersey relics available affordably.

Year Team No. 1 overall pick

2012 New Orleans Hornets Anthony Davis
2011 Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving
2010 Washington Wizards John Wall
2009 Los Angeles Clippers Blake Griffin
2008 Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose
2007 Portland Trail Blazers Greg Oden
2006 Toronto Raptors Andrea Bargnani
2005 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut
2004 Orlando Magic Dwight Howard
2003 Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James
2002 Houston Rockets Yao Ming
2001 Washington Wizards Kwame Brown
2000 New Jersey Nets Kenyon Martin
1999 Chicago Bulls Elton Brand
1998 Los Angeles Clippers Michael Olowokandi
1997 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
1996 Philadelphia 76ers Allen Iverson
1995 Golden State Warriors Joe Smith
1994 Milwaukee Bucks Glenn Robinson
1993 Orlando Magic Chris Webber
1992 Orlando Magic Shaquille O'Neal
1991 Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson
1990 New Jersey Nets Derrick Coleman
1989 Sacramento Kings Pervis Ellison
1988 Los Angeles Clippers Danny Manning
1987 San Antonio Spurs David Robinson
1986 Cleveland Cavaliers Brad Daugherty
1985 New York Knicks Patrick Ewing
1984 Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1983 Houston Rockets Ralph Sampson
1982 Los Angeles Lakers James Worthy
1981 Dallas Mavericks Mark Aguirre
1980 Golden State Warriors Joe Barry Carroll
1979 Los Angeles Lakers Magic Johnson
1978 Portland Trail Blazers Mychal Thompson
1977 Milwaukee Bucks Kent Benson
1976 Houston Rockets John Lucas
1975 Atlanta Hawks David Thompson
1974 Portland Trail Blazers Bill Walton
1973 Philadelphia 76ers Doug Collins
1972 Portland Trail Blazers LaRue Martin
1971 Cleveland Cavaliers Austin Carr
1970 Detroit Pistons Bob Lanier
1969 Milwaukee Bucks Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
1968 San Diego Rockets Elvin Hayes
1967 Detroit Pistons Jimmy Walker
1966 New York Knicks Cazzie Russell
1965 San Francisco Warriors Fred Hetzel
1964 New York Knicks Jim Barnes
1963 New York Knicks Art Heyman
1962 Chicago Zephyrs Bill McGill
1961 Chicago Packers Walt Bellamy
1960 Cincinnati Royals Oscar Robertson
1959 Cincinnati Royals Bob Boozer
1958 Minneapolis Lakers Elgin Baylor
1957 Cincinnati Royals Hot Rod Hundley
1956 Rochester Royals Si Green
1955 St. Louis Hawks Dick Ricketts
1954 Baltimore Bullets Frank Selvy
1953 Baltimore Bullets Ray Felix
1952 Milwaukee Hawks Mark Workman
1951 Baltimore Bullets Gene Melchiorre
1950 Boston Celtics Chuck Share
1949 Providence Steam Rollers Howie Shannon
1948 Providence Steam Rollers Andy Tonkovich
1947 Pittsburgh Ironmen Clifton McNeeley

the27guy · 10-18-2013, 12:02 AM

In some ways I like this question and in others I really don't. Let me explain.

In Kevin Durant's second season I bought a crap load of his mid-high end stuff. By the end of his third year I had sold the majority of it, because ithe majority of it had doubled or tripled in value. Huge mistake. I thought it had topped out but we all know the story now, that Durant stuff has kept going up and I missed out on probably another $20k of gains.

Is Kyrie a potential top 2-3 guy in this league? He might be. And if he is, then you should go buy his stuff right now, because Panini has released so much stuff in so short a time that the market is saturated. In a few years, most of this stuff (as we've seen many times before) will be in PC's and impossible to find. I mean, you can get his XRC for under $200 right now... but if he turns into that top flight number one point guard that I think he will become, then you can bet those are $1,000 or more.

"Flipping" cards is an art, and specifically an art of timing. A better way to phrase the question might be, "have Kyrie's cards topped out?" or "Are Kyrie's cards going to slide?" I think the answer to the first question is, possibly but I personally dont' think so, and the answer to the second question is, depends on the card. I personally wouldn't buy a NT rookie right now, but I might jump into a few XRC's or a Silo, or a Flawless or Immaculate depending on price.

In short, you can always flip a card if the entrance point is right.

alexxyc · 10-18-2013, 12:13 AM

It depends on how his performance will be and how far cavliers go this season. His starting point is very high, taking John Wall as another example. But players like this, you dont have to be afraid that their high ends drop a lot, but for mid-low, personally i dont recommend keep in long-run.

bdrr · 10-18-2013, 12:14 AM

I still contend he's Steve Francis 2.0.

That being said, he's got more talent around him than Francis ever had.

coolz · 10-18-2013, 12:44 AM

Yes, a bit too high already

dasiegel · 10-18-2013, 01:05 AM

he has room to go up but he's too high to take the risk on. not worth getting in on him.

spinotron · 10-18-2013, 01:24 AM

Far too high, I have a friend who is systematically invested in various Panini rookies, and he is very hardcore, but he stays clear of Kyrie's stuffs and thinks it's too much risk, and very little upwards potential. Historical trends tell us paying top dollars for those hot rookies at peak prices is not very smart, and it's quickest way to throw money away via cards (besides busting tons of cases with little rewards back).

Even a couple of months right before Lebron winning his first ring, his Exq RPA /99 in normal condition has a hard time to break 10k, and in 9.5 condition very hard to break 16k, and there is a thread right around that time when people was questioning a 12k sale and thought it was crazy. Now maybe it's 12-15k card. But not everyone can win two champions in a row, with great supporting cast, and all media behind him and lots of business investing in him wanting him to succeed.

So in comparison, buying Kyrie's NT /199, Silhouette /25 at current price level is just crazy, and not really the way to go if the goal is flipping and short term investment. The current prices have already built in super high expectation of him. The chances are he will not live up to it than he surpass it in every way imaginable.

EricMetcalf21 · 10-20-2013, 10:39 PM

i can just tell you I watch kyrie every game. Some of the moves and plays he makes make me jump out of my seat, last person to do that to me was when Derrick Rose was a rookie.

We shall see, my guess is up. I mean I really really watch every Cavs game, and I'm not saying that some that say he will go down don't watch Kyrie play, but I doubt they watch every game and are die hard cavs fans, Ive seen him some in person, the guy has the wow factor and isn't afraid to step up in the 4th when it counts, and also is sounding more and more like a leader every year. He wants to win, wants to step up. I'd rather not even write this I should go buy some more rookies and delete this message. lol

Anyways gl in your collecting. Remember, derrick rose and Kyrie get me off my feet screaming at the top of my lungs. Kyrie been on tv one time also, that means alot. He needs to be seen more.

10-14-2013, 06:25 PM	#3
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10-14-2013, 09:33 PM	#8
EMD34 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Yukon, OK Posts: 4,935	I'm not sure they can go any higher unless he wins an MVP or a Championship. __________________ PC: Amen Thompson, Jalen Williams, Victor Wembanyama

10-18-2013, 12:13 AM	#20
alexxyc Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 102 minchuanbao	It depends on how his performance will be and how far cavliers go this season. His starting point is very high, taking John Wall as another example. But players like this, you dont have to be afraid that their high ends drop a lot, but for mid-low, personally i dont recommend keep in long-run. __________________ Crazy Collector of Brandon ROY, GREIVIS VASQUEZ, Timberwolves!!!!!!

10-18-2013, 12:14 AM	#21
bdrr Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Washington, DC but Los Angeles at heart. Posts: 13,315	I still contend he's Steve Francis 2.0. That being said, he's got more talent around him than Francis ever had. __________________ ~~I am the Lauri Markkanen hype machine.~~ ~~Haha. Kill me.~~ WHAT NOW, B*****S, LAURI 4EVA

10-18-2013, 12:44 AM	#22
coolz Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,865 coolz	Yes, a bit too high already __________________ http://www.comc.com/Users/coolz 85K Cards !!! Selling all my stuff in COMC, ANY OFFERS WILL BE ACCEPTED! Lots of High-end cards: Basketball, Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc

10-14-2013, 06:22 PM	#1
LeonfromNC Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 15,219	are Kyrie Irving's cards already too high to flip? another member made a comment to me the other day that made me think about Kyrie Irving's card prices from an investment standpoint. he said, "Kyrie's cards values are already too high to make any decent profit on" what are your thoughts on this? i actually have to agree with him for the most part although most of his autographs can be had for 30-40% of what they were going for last season... do you think kyrie's higher end cards have more potential then lower end? i know i have a nt rpa in my avatar, but they have even dropped 30-40% since release in july. if kyrie breaks out this year and establishes himself as the top 1 or 2 point guard in the game, how much can his cards really increase in value? i think at the most, 30-40% but that would put them at the prices they were last season.

10-14-2013, 06:23 PM	#2
thenwhatjk Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Berrrrrrwyyyyn IL Posts: 9,074 thenwhatjk	yes, ten characters

10-14-2013, 07:02 PM	#5
ASAPPORKY Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 665	I'm pretty sure when Rose's Exquisite RPA came out they were selling for around 1500 a pop ... Now they go for close to double that right? So, Yes there most certainly is room to grow. If he becomes good enough to fit in the category with CP3 & Rose then yeah, why wouldn't his cards rise?

10-14-2013, 09:12 PM	#6
MavsRChamps Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 2,973 purple3252	Yes probably. To people saying, wait until he becomes a Legit Superstar, etc. - I don't even think that would affect his prices because the people buying his cards now already EXPECT him to be a superstar ... He would have to go above and beyond the expectations of his biggest fans (The people buying his cards now) for them to increase in profits It's like that w/ any player though - In order for the Value to go ^^^, a player does not just have to improve, but exceed the expectations of improvement

10-14-2013, 09:18 PM	#7
EricMetcalf21 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,787	Cavs going to be top 4-5 team in the east this year. He will go up, people will probably see him more on tv if they win like i think they will, remember, hes been on national tv once in a game, and then the all star game. he has got no exposure, but tnt chatting about him during pre-games.

10-14-2013, 09:40 PM	#10
Jopeal Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: RI Posts: 8,153 dr.jopeal	I love Kyrie as a player but have stayed away from his cards so far due to his stuff being overvalued IMO.

10-14-2013, 11:18 PM	#11
crazymj Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,010	Also a lot of kyrie autos were selling very high during the season last year because there was a big lack of products due to panini releasing only 3 product the year before with no rc autos! So when some of his first autos came out, people were going crazy on it, all the Prizm autos were going for like $400, his redemption xrco from past present/limited were going for $300+ and his gold standard redemption were going for $400-500. And now that they're finally live (oh wait, still waiting on limited!!!) P&P going for $100, and gold going for $160-200. And now with more and more products coming out with tons of kyrie autos, (flawless, immaculate), his older product autos and rcs are just going to keep dropping. And i don't think kyrie is as explosive as derrick rose.

10-16-2013, 11:06 AM	#12
EricMetcalf21 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,787	I think the 11-12 GS are nice cards, and I would buy every one of them at 160, that number should be 190-200 instead of 160-200. You cant get em under 190 from what I have been seeing. P&P goes over 100 as well.

10-16-2013, 11:09 AM	#13
2012space852 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Bukit Timah, SG Posts: 324	Drose autos there but limited or at least not as crazy as the amount of kyries out there, and this among with the fact its actually a bit tough to pull a kyrie. Does kyries ugly looking auto have a part in the value?

10-17-2013, 10:33 PM	#18
Stat Monsters Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,504	...any player's card who has only one season under their belt whose rookie card can rival the value of many HOF players who proved their carboard clout is overpriced in my opinion... Today's hot rookie is tomorrow's.... (fill in the blank name)... that nobody remembers or cares about. Look at the history of just the #1 Overall NBA Draft Picks and the forgotten far out number the remembered, there's more duds than studs, and even those who were once great players and had a good career but are out of the spotlight have lots of cards, rookies, autographs and jersey relics available affordably. Year Team No. 1 overall pick 2012 New Orleans Hornets Anthony Davis 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers Kyrie Irving 2010 Washington Wizards John Wall 2009 Los Angeles Clippers Blake Griffin 2008 Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose 2007 Portland Trail Blazers Greg Oden 2006 Toronto Raptors Andrea Bargnani 2005 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut 2004 Orlando Magic Dwight Howard 2003 Cleveland Cavaliers LeBron James 2002 Houston Rockets Yao Ming 2001 Washington Wizards Kwame Brown 2000 New Jersey Nets Kenyon Martin 1999 Chicago Bulls Elton Brand 1998 Los Angeles Clippers Michael Olowokandi 1997 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan 1996 Philadelphia 76ers Allen Iverson 1995 Golden State Warriors Joe Smith 1994 Milwaukee Bucks Glenn Robinson 1993 Orlando Magic Chris Webber 1992 Orlando Magic Shaquille O'Neal 1991 Charlotte Hornets Larry Johnson 1990 New Jersey Nets Derrick Coleman 1989 Sacramento Kings Pervis Ellison 1988 Los Angeles Clippers Danny Manning 1987 San Antonio Spurs David Robinson 1986 Cleveland Cavaliers Brad Daugherty 1985 New York Knicks Patrick Ewing 1984 Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon 1983 Houston Rockets Ralph Sampson 1982 Los Angeles Lakers James Worthy 1981 Dallas Mavericks Mark Aguirre 1980 Golden State Warriors Joe Barry Carroll 1979 Los Angeles Lakers Magic Johnson 1978 Portland Trail Blazers Mychal Thompson 1977 Milwaukee Bucks Kent Benson 1976 Houston Rockets John Lucas 1975 Atlanta Hawks David Thompson 1974 Portland Trail Blazers Bill Walton 1973 Philadelphia 76ers Doug Collins 1972 Portland Trail Blazers LaRue Martin 1971 Cleveland Cavaliers Austin Carr 1970 Detroit Pistons Bob Lanier 1969 Milwaukee Bucks Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1968 San Diego Rockets Elvin Hayes 1967 Detroit Pistons Jimmy Walker 1966 New York Knicks Cazzie Russell 1965 San Francisco Warriors Fred Hetzel 1964 New York Knicks Jim Barnes 1963 New York Knicks Art Heyman 1962 Chicago Zephyrs Bill McGill 1961 Chicago Packers Walt Bellamy 1960 Cincinnati Royals Oscar Robertson 1959 Cincinnati Royals Bob Boozer 1958 Minneapolis Lakers Elgin Baylor 1957 Cincinnati Royals Hot Rod Hundley 1956 Rochester Royals Si Green 1955 St. Louis Hawks Dick Ricketts 1954 Baltimore Bullets Frank Selvy 1953 Baltimore Bullets Ray Felix 1952 Milwaukee Hawks Mark Workman 1951 Baltimore Bullets Gene Melchiorre 1950 Boston Celtics Chuck Share 1949 Providence Steam Rollers Howie Shannon 1948 Providence Steam Rollers Andy Tonkovich 1947 Pittsburgh Ironmen Clifton McNeeley

10-18-2013, 12:02 AM	#19
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,673 the27guy the27guy	In some ways I like this question and in others I really don't. Let me explain. In Kevin Durant's second season I bought a crap load of his mid-high end stuff. By the end of his third year I had sold the majority of it, because ithe majority of it had doubled or tripled in value. Huge mistake. I thought it had topped out but we all know the story now, that Durant stuff has kept going up and I missed out on probably another $20k of gains. Is Kyrie a potential top 2-3 guy in this league? He might be. And if he is, then you should go buy his stuff right now, because Panini has released so much stuff in so short a time that the market is saturated. In a few years, most of this stuff (as we've seen many times before) will be in PC's and impossible to find. I mean, you can get his XRC for under $200 right now... but if he turns into that top flight number one point guard that I think he will become, then you can bet those are $1,000 or more. "Flipping" cards is an art, and specifically an art of timing. A better way to phrase the question might be, "have Kyrie's cards topped out?" or "Are Kyrie's cards going to slide?" I think the answer to the first question is, possibly but I personally dont' think so, and the answer to the second question is, depends on the card. I personally wouldn't buy a NT rookie right now, but I might jump into a few XRC's or a Silo, or a Flawless or Immaculate depending on price. In short, you can always flip a card if the entrance point is right.

10-18-2013, 01:05 AM	#23
dasiegel Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 27,556	he has room to go up but he's too high to take the risk on. not worth getting in on him. __________________ Board man. Board man gets paid.

10-18-2013, 01:24 AM	#24
spinotron Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,116	Far too high, I have a friend who is systematically invested in various Panini rookies, and he is very hardcore, but he stays clear of Kyrie's stuffs and thinks it's too much risk, and very little upwards potential. Historical trends tell us paying top dollars for those hot rookies at peak prices is not very smart, and it's quickest way to throw money away via cards (besides busting tons of cases with little rewards back). Even a couple of months right before Lebron winning his first ring, his Exq RPA /99 in normal condition has a hard time to break 10k, and in 9.5 condition very hard to break 16k, and there is a thread right around that time when people was questioning a 12k sale and thought it was crazy. Now maybe it's 12-15k card. But not everyone can win two champions in a row, with great supporting cast, and all media behind him and lots of business investing in him wanting him to succeed. So in comparison, buying Kyrie's NT /199, Silhouette /25 at current price level is just crazy, and not really the way to go if the goal is flipping and short term investment. The current prices have already built in super high expectation of him. The chances are he will not live up to it than he surpass it in every way imaginable. __________________ Mainly collecting rare or key cards, mostly Kobe. PLMK if want to sell cards which I might need. Thx! My BGS algorithm: https://www.spinotron.com/bgs.html Instagram handle: spinotron Last edited by spinotron; 10-18-2013 at 01:24 AM. Reason: typo

10-20-2013, 10:39 PM	#25
EricMetcalf21 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,787	i can just tell you I watch kyrie every game. Some of the moves and plays he makes make me jump out of my seat, last person to do that to me was when Derrick Rose was a rookie. We shall see, my guess is up. I mean I really really watch every Cavs game, and I'm not saying that some that say he will go down don't watch Kyrie play, but I doubt they watch every game and are die hard cavs fans, Ive seen him some in person, the guy has the wow factor and isn't afraid to step up in the 4th when it counts, and also is sounding more and more like a leader every year. He wants to win, wants to step up. I'd rather not even write this I should go buy some more rookies and delete this message. lol Anyways gl in your collecting. Remember, derrick rose and Kyrie get me off my feet screaming at the top of my lungs. Kyrie been on tv one time also, that means alot. He needs to be seen more.