✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

$256 is real money! I have an unscratched blue BCRASO (i know, i know). Wonder how much that would go for.

A redeemed one sold for $550 a couple months ago. I bet an unredeemed one could fetch at least 2x.

Also, please tell me you pulled the redemption after it was already expired, otherwise you got some 'splainin' to do.

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by Twalk1975

Personally, ill take a well designed SSP insert over a low numbered card that just has a different colored border than the base.

Topps printed so much product they had to make the red refractor /25 now.

True Red /5, Red Wave /5, Red Lava /5, Red Geometric /5, Red Wave /5

Oranges are now /100, Golds are now /250, Blue /600...etc

You can pull what you think is an SSP insert only to find out there are red/orange/gold of the same card.

Going forward with Chrome I'm sticking with True Red/Orange/Gold/Blue and maybe adding a wave of those colors too if the price is right. Staying far away from everything else.

Don't even get me started on the 51 different parallels of the same paper card and Topps still managed to leave out the Black parallel.

I feel like an old man yellin at the sky, but its only going to get worse.

[dunquixote1]

I’m surprised so many people are dogging on SSPs just because they’re not a RC parallels. There’s some beautiful 2024/25 inserts with legit low production numbers. Both the SSPs from Topps Black and White the last two years are among the most beautiful Ohtani photos I’ve seen and the production is less than 25 - likely under 20. 100% unique photography on only 25 cards produced is far more interesting to me than a RC paper base parallel. Different strokes of course. Just weird to blanket mock that stuff.

[seanrs1]

Collect what you like! I am sticking to only buying 2018 RC cards and inserts when the price is right. Simple strategy that should stand the test of time.

[livfreely]

Real or fake?


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[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Topps printed so much product they had to make the red refractor /25 now.

True Red /5, Red Wave /5, Red Lava /5, Red Geometric /5, Red Wave /5

Oranges are now /100, Golds are now /250, Blue /600...etc

You can pull what you think is an SSP insert only to find out there are red/orange/gold of the same card.

Going forward with Chrome I'm sticking with True Red/Orange/Gold/Blue and maybe adding a wave of those colors too if the price is right. Staying far away from everything else.

Don't even get me started on the 51 different parallels of the same paper card and Topps still managed to leave out the Black parallel.

I feel like an old man yellin at the sky, but its only going to get worse.

Does Topps have any parallel color that has been consistently numbered since introduction of the color? Maybe supers and oranges… but the rest have changed over the years.

Reds and Blues have been used as 1/1s in the past.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by HunterConnorMom

Probably a combination of market manipulation and demand.

Some thoughts from a leader at upper deck:
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/upp...183000731.html

This certainly applies to auction houses and high end “funds” like Mr Wonderful

It’s full of manipulation

I don’t see this at all in an Ohtani SP SSP market or inserts. Not at all

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

This certainly applies to auction houses and high end “funds” like Mr Wonderful

It’s full of manipulation

I don’t see this at all in an Ohtani SP SSP market or inserts. Not at all

Do you see any of this in the 2018 RC market?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Do you see any of this in the 2018 RC market?

Not really. 2018 is incredibly hot.

I just don't see manipulation for Ohtani outside of whatever may exist at the super high end which has always existed/persisted throughout the hobbies history.

Ohtani market is just simply hot.

[dfd]

Any thoughts on what the 2017 Bowman one of one Otani might go for if it ever surfaced?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Does Topps have any parallel color that has been consistently numbered since introduction of the color? Maybe supers and oranges… but the rest have changed over the years.

Reds and Blues have been used as 1/1s in the past.

Blacks and Golds

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Blacks and Golds

There are plenty of Topps flagship insert cards that are black and out of /299.

[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Does Topps have any parallel color that has been consistently numbered since introduction of the color? Maybe supers and oranges… but the rest have changed over the years.

Reds and Blues have been used as 1/1s in the past.

Independence Day. Though I suppose they could one day decide to number them out of 1776.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

There are plenty of Topps flagship insert cards that are black and out of /299.

yep but those are inserts.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Blacks and Golds

Paper - the number changes every year… and some products don’t have blacks (which breaks continuity)

Chrome - golds were different for 2003 (the Pit issues), and black chrome have changed from 35 in 2013

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yep but those are inserts.

Topps UK edition black and not out of 67...some are /125.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Paper - the number changes every year… and some products don’t have blacks (which breaks continuity)

Chrome - golds were different for 2003 (the Pit issues), and black chrome have changed from 35 in 2013

There is only one Topps Set (every year since 1952)

i agree the other sets have had lots of holes

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

Topps UK edition black and not out of 67...some are /125.

yes, the UK release is not Topps, but its own set called Topps UK

it is missed as it was a cheap way to get paralells that looked like Topps

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

I’m surprised so many people are dogging on SSPs just because they’re not a RC parallels. There’s some beautiful 2024/25 inserts with legit low production numbers. Both the SSPs from Topps Black and White the last two years are among the most beautiful Ohtani photos I’ve seen and the production is less than 25 - likely under 20. 100% unique photography on only 25 cards produced is far more interesting to me than a RC paper base parallel. Different strokes of course. Just weird to blanket mock that stuff.

Nobody is dogging SSPs because they aren't rookie card parallels. The skepticism is due to the intentional omission of serial numbers and SSPs replacing traditional hits like autographs. This allows Fanatics to spread the same number of autographs across more products. Some of these SSPs also happen to be gimmicky (for us traditional collectors anyway), like big heads, little bodies, or straight up comic art.

I also agree that the b/w cards are some of the most attractive cards. All of the above can be true at once.

[imbluestreak23]

Parallels that have remained consistent:
-Heritage Chrome Refractors
-Heritage Black Refractors
-Topps Flagship Black, Gold (not foil)
-All Supers (of course)
-BC True Gold, True Orange, True Red (even blues had a year of /250 or /199)

Topps Chrome, Topps Chrome Update and Highlights, Topps Chrome Update have all had various years where Black Refractors, Gold Refractors, True Refractors have all had various numbering schemes. I am a big fan of this. 2014 Gold Updates /250. Amazing. Blacks /99. Incredible. Cross over to football, there was a TC set where refractors were /999. How rad would that be from a mainstream set with no other rainbow junk. Clean simple easily digestible chases.

But breakers, some of the most prominent on this very site, started over 10 years bit**ing and moaing about "value," crying to anyone and everyone who would listen that we needed more value meaning: more parallels, more recirculation of prospect names, more fluff junk. Thanks breaker bois, you got what you wanted.

[dunquixote1]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Nobody is dogging SSPs because they aren't rookie card parallels. The skepticism is due to the intentional omission of serial numbers and SSPs replacing traditional hits like autographs. This allows Fanatics to spread the same number of autographs across more products. Some of these SSPs also happen to be gimmicky (for us traditional collectors anyway), like big heads, little bodies, or straight up comic art.

I also agree that the b/w cards are some of the most attractive cards. All of the above can be true at once.

Agreed.

[eastbayak]

There's definitely A LOT of manipulation occurring at both ends (SPs/SSPs and RCs) but there's also A LOT of legitimate purchases/sales occurring too.

Some of us who collect other sports have seen it occur with other "GOATs" like MJ/LeBron/Brady/Mahomes/etc.

Just buy what you like and only spend what you can afford. The less hype you chase, the less risk you take on.

And if you're only looking to make money and/or find good-value Ohtani cards, there's still plenty of then out there (and there'll always be some out there too).

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Parallels that have remained consistent:
-Heritage Chrome Refractors
-Heritage Black Refractors
-Topps Flagship Black, Gold (not foil)
-All Supers (of course)
-BC True Gold, True Orange, True Red (even blues had a year of /250 or /199)

Topps Chrome, Topps Chrome Update and Highlights, Topps Chrome Update have all had various years where Black Refractors, Gold Refractors, True Refractors have all had various numbering schemes. I am a big fan of this. 2014 Gold Updates /250. Amazing. Blacks /99. Incredible. Cross over to football, there was a TC set where refractors were /999. How rad would that be from a mainstream set with no other rainbow junk. Clean simple easily digestible chases.

But breakers, some of the most prominent on this very site, started over 10 years bit**ing and moaing about "value," crying to anyone and everyone who would listen that we needed more value meaning: more parallels, more recirculation of prospect names, more fluff junk. Thanks breaker bois, you got what you wanted.

BC never had true gold /170 in 2003 and true red 1/1 in 2004?

[Mhphillips7048]

What do y'all think?
Keep or open?

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by BoSoxFan1999

A redeemed one sold for $550 a couple months ago. I bet an unredeemed one could fetch at least 2x.

Also, please tell me you pulled the redemption after it was already expired, otherwise you got some 'splainin' to do.

Haha, yeah, my friend pulled it after expiration. I patted him on the back and gave him $50 and a round of beers for it. I figured it was cool to have an unscratched card but never expected it to be worth much.