Stefon Diggs faces strangulation, assault charges

[Chrominator]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

People like you are exactly what the ignore feature is meant for.

I mess up from time to time

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Please don't normalize that term.

The incident was reported on December 2.

Since then, people who are paid public servants of our judicial system conducted investigations and someone at the DA's office concluded that they believed there was probably cause to charge Diggs with two crimes - one a felony, another a misdemeanor.

That decision does not equal proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is required to secure a criminal conviction, but saying "fake news" about this undermines everything about our criminal justice system.

PS - the news didn't "make up" (aka fake news) that he was being charged with a crime. It happened. You may not like that it happened, but the news reporting on it doesnt make the news biased or "fake."

Fake news? Crazy how accurate the book 1984 was...

Well there was literal fake news being created and distributed in 1984 so what you are saying doesn't really make much sense.

The main character's job was to specifically delete facts and create fake stories, the department of truth (which lied). And our own media has consistently lied to us through television news, mainstream, etc. I agree the term is a bit cringe though to toss out in normal conversation.

[mike1498]

I'm sure the patriots went into this signing the same way they went into the signing of Josh Gordon and Antonio Brown.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

I'm not them.

But what usually happens after an alleged crime is repoted is an investigation takes place.

The investigation can take days or weeks.

Then a DA looks at the elements of the crime pursuant to the criminal code, the evidence gathered, the manner in which it was gathered (if your evidence comes from a warrantless search - it's bad, inadmissible evidence, will get thrown out, so a DA will generally say don't waste time pursuing) and makes an informed decision as whether they have enough to charge someone with a crime and potentially get a conviction.

Exactly.

DA's don't usually charge cases unless they are pretty sure of winning (because they're generally evaluated on their conviction records).

So if Diggs got formally charged, it's because the DA feels like they have a very strong case with solid evidence to support the charges.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Thank You.

I feel like some times you an I are the only two people on this forum on an acceptable intellectual level.

Classic!

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by Tea10

Well there was literal fake news being created and distributed in 1984 so what you are saying doesn't really make much sense.

The main character's job was to specifically delete facts and create fake stories, the department of truth (which lied). And our own media has consistently lied to us through television news, mainstream, etc. I agree the term is a bit cringe though to toss out in normal conversation.

Point is people also cry fake news when the story doesn't fit their narrative or how they wish the world to be.

You're crossing into very dangerous territory when people try to manipulate facts and the concept of objective truth gets thrown out the window.

There is objective truth out there.

Now people want you to believe their subjective words over what your eyes are objectively showing you, and it's a scary, slippery slope, because fire is often fought with fire and it becomes hard for anyone to find that objective truth when different sides want you to believe their subjective truth and only show that to you.

And as individuals, we can't be everywhere and see the objective truth with our own eyes in all instances.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Classic!

I had to dumb it down so a few more people could understand.

I see it worked.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I had to dumb it down so a few more people could understand.

I see it worked.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I had to dumb it down so a few more people could understand.

I see it worked.

Lol.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you’d be twice as smart as you actually are.

[jmarascojr]

If you were to ask them, I bet they'd say they've gotten more time out of this contract than they expected...

If the Pats weren't winning, he'd be complaining...

He was playing with Josh Allen and still found stuff to complain about, even when JA was forcing passes to him to try to make him happy...

Originally Posted by mike1498

I'm sure the patriots went into this signing the same way they went into the signing of Josh Gordon and Antonio Brown.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Point is people also cry fake news when the story doesn't fit their narrative or how they wish the world to be.

You're crossing into very dangerous territory when people try to manipulate facts and the concept of objective truth gets thrown out the window.

There is objective truth out there.

Now people want you to believe their subjective words over what your eyes are objectively showing you, and it's a scary, slippery slope, because fire is often fought with fire and it becomes hard for anyone to find that objective truth when different sides want you to believe their subjective truth and only show that to you.

And as individuals, we can't be everywhere and see the objective truth with our own eyes in all instances.

Well the issue is that people do lie, our own government and media have been proven to lie to us, etc.

But in terms of relevance to this, right...I agree we shouldn't take the side of scumbag athletes by default and callously give zero Fs about any victims. But at the same time, we shouldn't just default to believing every woman (or man) who may be lying for personal, financial gain.

We don't know the details of this story. I'm a Patriots fan too, and I don't even really care. Between Tyreek punching a pregnant woman in the stomach, Henry Ruggs crashing into a woman and her dog and letting the car burn them to death, Rice crashing into innocent people then running from the scene, LT potentially being an Epstein client let's say, Ray Rice, Aldon Smith, the massage bandits Watson/Tucker, etc, etc, etc.

That's the sport we're following. Not the best human beings in the world are the ones who do this. But in this case, this female chef could easily be extorting Diggs or trying to get money. The text shown here is a bit of a context clue when there's another chef he was paying and she was asking for money to start up a business? Who knows. We don't.

We've seen plenty of women lie and ruin people's lives though. So we don't know if the "fake news" comment is correct, but we also don't know if there's an validity to this claim. Guess we'll find out or it will be covered up in civil court with a wad of cash.

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Lol.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you’d be twice as smart as you actually are.

He was smart enough to dodge the Mahomes thread for a week after they choked out the season and he tore his ACL (unfortunate).

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Tea10

He was smart enough to dodge the Mahomes thread for a week after they choked out the season and he tore his ACL (unfortunate).

Exactly

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by Tea10

We've seen plenty of women lie and ruin people's lives though. So we don't know if the "fake news" comment is correct, but we also don't know if there's an validity to this claim. Guess we'll find out or it will be covered up in civil court with a wad of cash.

Well, unfortunately in this instance we're beyond that - he's being charged with two crimes and his arraignment is set for January 23.

We generally see out of court civil type settlements when people come forward with accusations but the conduct isn't a crime (like Tiger's cheating scandal - you can pay Uchitel not to talk, but it's not a crime to have an extramarital affair).

Here, the woman that accused Diggs of putting his hands on her and strangling her reported it, and from there it was the duty of the local police and DA's office to investigate and bring criminal charges if they felt there was validity to the accusations.

It may come out later, but I've seen no suggestion that the woman tried to shake Diggs down for money first, and went to authorities after he refused to pay.

Edit: It's too late to now pay her for silence once you've been charged with a crime. There isn't going to be a civil court settlement. Diggs is being charged criminally in this instance.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Well, unfortunately in this instance we're beyond that - he's being charged with two crimes and his arraignment is set for January 23.

We generally see out of court civil type settlements when people come forward with accusations but the conduct isn't a crime (like Tiger's cheating scandal - you can pay Uchitel not to talk, but it's not a crime to have an extramarital affair).

Here, the woman that accused Diggs of putting his hands on her and strangling her reported it, and from there it was the duty of the local police and DA's office to investigate and bring criminal charges if they felt there was validity to the accusations.

It may come out later, but I've seen no suggestion that the woman tried to shake Diggs down for money first, and went to authorities after he refused to pay.

Edit: It's too late to now pay her for silence once you've been charged with a crime. There isn't going to be a civil court settlement. Diggs is being charged criminally in this instance.

I guess that doesn't quite fit the "fake news" narrative.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

We have different expectations.

Maye might be a Bugatti parked outside a trailer. The most "explosive" offensive option the Patriots have on the roster is a rookie running back that the team clearly doesn't trust to handle much more than 10 touches...

This falls on Eliot and the Kraft's. There has to be a reason the only FA's they can get to Foxboro are old unathletic TE's, a locker room AIDS diva WR, and a weirdo WR that would be a GREAT WR3 for anyone with a chance of sniffing the playoffs.

That is rather uninspiring.

Me wrong: uninspiring

Me right: see bolded

[Tea10]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Well, unfortunately in this instance we're beyond that - he's being charged with two crimes and his arraignment is set for January 23.

We generally see out of court civil type settlements when people come forward with accusations but the conduct isn't a crime (like Tiger's cheating scandal - you can pay Uchitel not to talk, but it's not a crime to have an extramarital affair).

Here, the woman that accused Diggs of putting his hands on her and strangling her reported it, and from there it was the duty of the local police and DA's office to investigate and bring criminal charges if they felt there was validity to the accusations.

It may come out later, but I've seen no suggestion that the woman tried to shake Diggs down for money first, and went to authorities after he refused to pay.

Edit: It's too late to now pay her for silence once you've been charged with a crime. There isn't going to be a civil court settlement. Diggs is being charged criminally in this instance.

Sure. I'm simply saying that you cannot assume he is guilty just as the guy dropping "fake news" assumes she is lying/extorting. This hasn't played out.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Now Christian Barmore is facing a domestic assault charge...

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Exactly.

DA's don't usually charge cases unless they are pretty sure of winning (because they're generally evaluated on their conviction records).

So if Diggs got formally charged, it's because the DA feels like they have a very strong case with solid evidence to support the charges.

That’s cute that you believe that! Society needs people like you - don’t ever change!!

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

Edit: It's too late to now pay her for silence once you've been charged with a crime. There isn't going to be a civil court settlement. Diggs is being charged criminally in this instance.

Until she actually testifies in a criminal trial, it is never too late to pay for her silence.

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Until she actually testifies in a criminal trial, it is never too late to pay for her silence.

You serious?

You think it's legal to pay off someone who is going to testify in a criminal trial against you?

Maybe Johnny Donuts can drop by for a visit and "talk some sense" into her.

Sometimes a witness "changes their mind" about testifying.

If it was because of a $$ or intimidation, those are crimes. Bribery. Witness tampering, Obstruction of justice.

Think a lot of folks are mixing up the criminal law system and a civil law matter in this thread.

[JWBlue]

Fandom certainly impacts people's opinions.

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Fandom certainly impacts people's opinions.

Apparently. Likeliest scenario here is no trial takes place, he just pleads down to misdemeanors, pays Court costs, gets sentenced to community service, anger management classes, and gets probation.

Then she sues him civillaly for her medical bills, pain and suffering, etc. That's when the legalized extortion will begin, and then he'll pay her to settle the civil suit.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

You serious?

You think it's legal to pay off someone who is going to testify in a criminal trial against you?

What planet are you living on?

The lawyers get together, money quietly exchanges hands, and all of a sudden the victim is willing to drop all charges and stops cooperating with the authorities. You are a fool if you don't realize that what I just said happens all the time.

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

If it was because of a $$ or intimidation, those are crimes. Bribery. Witness tampering, Obstruction of justice.

Think a lot of folks are mixing up the criminal law system and a civil law matter in this thread.

Bribery is illegal. Restitution is not.

His lawyer meets with her lawyer and they agree on restitution and all of sudden she decides not to cooperate with the authorities any longer... happens all the time.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Now Christian Barmore is facing a domestic assault charge...

Don’t mess with them patriots players and their food I guess is the moral of the story. Or air conditioning? Wow