2025 Bucs Thread: Fire the Cannons

[JWBlue]

Not over but that was ugly.

[tnvolfan16]

The idiot coach of the bucs should not have a job Friday morning

[majestik101]

Agreed. Bowles time there is nearing an end, I think.

My theory that Gruden would come back to Tampa doesn't seem that far-fetched now

[Siberian13]

Merry Christmas Bucs fans!

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Merry Christmas Bucs fans!

[oldgoldy97]

More like fire the coach.

[evileddie]

All I can do is laugh at this point.

[Floridacardguy]

Not that the Bucs are going anywhere in the playoffs, but they can still get in.
They just need to win this week against the lowly Dolphins (and if they lose they don't even deserve to think of playoffs) and then beat the Panthers.

Panthers could easily lose to Seattle this week but then again, they looked good against the Rams in a win so who knows.

[Chris Lyle]

Whether the Bucs end up in the playoffs or not this season has been a real downer and I know some are going to jump on Baker, but it's not all on him.

The defense has not been good.

Coaching has been down right ugly at times.

Some serious changes need to happen

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Whether the Bucs end up in the playoffs or not this season has been a real downer and I know some are going to jump on Baker, but it's not all on him.

The defense has not been good.

Coaching has been down right ugly at times.

Some serious changes need to happen

Not all on him, but he's a big part. While he's dealt with key injuries, he's had rookies like Ebuka and Tez that stepped up. Now, he has EVERYONE back on offense and still not looking good.

I caught shade for the Baker hate- I was merely pointing out that he was over achieving and reality would eventually set in- that he's a pretty average QB- a journeyman that has bounced around and never lived up to his hype.

Well, now reality is here. His last 6 games total: 7 TDS 6 PICKS 5 LOSSES

He turned back into a pumpkin

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Not all on him, but he's a big part. While he's dealt with key injuries, he's had rookies like Ebuka and Tez that stepped up. Now, he has EVERYONE back on offense and still not looking good.

I caught shade for the Baker hate- I was merely pointing out that he was over achieving and reality would eventually set in- that he's a pretty average QB- a journeyman that has bounced around and never lived up to his hype.

Well, now reality is here. His last 6 games total: 7 TDS 6 PICKS 5 LOSSES

He turned back into a pumpkin

We get your hate for Baker... does it make you feel better to say it for the millionth time that you blame him

I don't think he is healthy himself
Saying Ebuka and Tez at this point in their career make the other injuries null and void is a little strong IMHO


And last I checked Baker can't play defense... nothing Baker can do about the way they have played

But I know nothing is going to change your mind so I am not sure why I'm even wasting time with answering.

We all know you HATE Baker

Just a note... this team is just now getting healthy.... you say it like they have been healthy for awhile... meh

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

We get your hate for Baker... does it make you feel better to say it for the millionth time that you blame him

I don't think he is healthy himself
Saying Ebuka and Tez at this point in their career make the other injuries null and void is a little strong IMHO


And last I checked Baker can't play defense... nothing Baker can do about the way they have played

But I know nothing is going to change your mind so I am not sure why I'm even wasting time with answering.

We all know you HATE Baker

Just a note... this team is just now getting healthy.... you say it like they have been healthy for awhile... meh

Me hating Baker doesn't change the fact he has sucked. So let's put that aside. Both things can be true.

Also, they were at full strength last week and this week on offense, and they didn't look good. The D has been bad yeah but it always was, but the offense at full strength still sucking is a problem

I never said Ebuka and Tez were overcoming all the injuries, I just pointed out that they both played very well at times to help offset some of the injuries.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Me hating Baker doesn't change the fact he has sucked. So let's put that aside. Both things can be true.

Also, they were at full strength last week and this week on offense, and they didn't look good. The D has been bad yeah but it always was, but the offense at full strength still sucking is a problem

I never said Ebuka and Tez were overcoming all the injuries, I just pointed out that they both played very well at times to help offset some of the injuries.

I am not trying to say he played good. But they have only been at "full" strength for 2 weeks.

The D is a bigger problem.

My point was essentially you Baker haters are going to dump on him, when I don't in the overall picture think he is the biggest problem.

That's my opinion.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I am not trying to say he played good. But they have only been at "full" strength for 2 weeks.

The D is a bigger problem.

My point was essentially you Baker haters are going to dump on him, when I don't in the overall picture think he is the biggest problem.

That's my opinion.

Did the bad defense throw the pick to end the game yesterday? No that was Baker. Did the defense throw 7 TD 6 picks in last 6 games? No that was Baker

From an outsider looking in the Defense AND Baker are losing games

[Stifle]

Not so sure they have enough powder.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Did the bad defense throw the pick to end the game yesterday? No that was Baker. Did the defense throw 7 TD 6 picks in last 6 games? No that was Baker

From an outsider looking in the Defense AND Baker are losing games

Just to further drive your point home, you take my comments out of context. Thus proving that your hate makes you seem less objective.

No duh the defense didn't throw the pic. or have 7 tds and 6 picks in the last 6 games.

If you read my comments, I have never said that Baker's play hasn't been part of the problem.

I only said the defense is a bigger problem in my opinion and that others will dump on Baker when I don't feel is the biggest part of the problem.

[majestik101]

Started the season 5-1 and now have gone 2-7 since. Deplorable.

Was a time when the NFC South teams were a challenge for Bucs teams to beat, but that was in the days of Cam Newton, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

I have been saying this for weeks now.

Baker is NOT healthy, and he is NOT the problem there in Tampa

He has been forced to run around and make errant throws because of his O-Line which is a mishmash of players who have underachieved and can't keep Baker upright.

Grizzard’s play calling has been rough lately, with no solid games in weeks. They’ve got three quality running backs—Rachaad White, Bucky, and Sean Tucker—but not a single screen pass to any of them, even though that used to be Tampa Bay’s go-to for short yardage. The reason? The O-line can’t block worth a damn.

The bigger issue, though, is the defense—every part of it. The D-line, linebackers (sorry Lavonte, it’s time to hang them up), and especially the corners are giving up too many explosive 30+ yard plays, with poor recognition on TD throws and almost no communication.

Effort all around looks half-hearted, Antoine Winfield Jr. used to make 5–6 standout plays a game but now barely shows up, Vita Vea has vanished, and there’s zero pass rush from anyone.

Defensive play calling is just as bad, maybe the worst this team’s had. Todd Bowles, both DC and HC, needs to go—it’s time for a regime change.

Bring back Chucky to shake things up fast, and hire a strong defensive coordinator, anyone better than what they have now.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by majestik101

Started the season 5-1 and now have gone 2-7 since. Deplorable.

Was a time when the NFC South teams were a challenge for Bucs teams to beat, but that was in the days of Cam Newton, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

I have been saying this for weeks now.

Baker is NOT healthy, and he is NOT the problem there in Tampa

He has been forced to run around and make errant throws because of his O-Line which is a mishmash of players who have underachieved and can't keep Baker upright.

Grizzard’s play calling has been rough lately, with no solid games in weeks. They’ve got three quality running backs—Rachaad White, Bucky, and Sean Tucker—but not a single screen pass to any of them, even though that used to be Tampa Bay’s go-to for short yardage. The reason? The O-line can’t block worth a damn.

The bigger issue, though, is the defense—every part of it. The D-line, linebackers (sorry Lavonte, it’s time to hang them up), and especially the corners are giving up too many explosive 30+ yard plays, with poor recognition on TD throws and almost no communication.

Effort all around looks half-hearted, Antoine Winfield Jr. used to make 5–6 standout plays a game but now barely shows up, Vita Vea has vanished, and there’s zero pass rush from anyone.

Defensive play calling is just as bad, maybe the worst this team’s had. Todd Bowles, both DC and HC, needs to go—it’s time for a regime change.

Bring back Chucky to shake things up fast, and hire a strong defensive coordinator, anyone better than what they have now.

Sounds like some denial going on.
The defense has been bad. Baker has been bad. Coaching bad. But again, who's throwing the picks the last stretch of losing games? The defense? The Coach? Baker can't control bad play calls or bad D play, but he's throwing the picks.

What do you think is wrong with him physically?

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Sounds like some denial going on.
The defense has been bad. Baker has been bad. Coaching bad. But again, who's throwing the picks the last stretch of losing games? The defense? The Coach? Baker can't control bad play calls or bad D play, but he's throwing the picks.

What do you think is wrong with him physically?

The same denial by you when speaking about Nix? You're NEVER critical of him. It's always the bad play calling, or a running back fumbling, or the wide receivers dropping passes, never Nix.


Anywho,

I'm not a team doctor, but just watching Baker lately, there is something wrong, could be just fatigue too. Who knows?

edit: And before you work yourself all into a tizzy, I'm not saying Baker is 100% blameless, but to put it ALL on him, is a little unfair.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by majestik101

The same denial by you when speaking about Nix? You're NEVER critical of him. It's always the bad play calling, or a running back fumbling, or the wide receivers dropping passes, never Nix.


Anywho,

I'm not a team doctor, but just watching Baker lately, there is something wrong, could be just fatigue too. Who knows?

I am not? Seriously? I always call him out for a bad pick
Go back and read. I just said today that he threw a bad pick with a wide open RB. Get your details straight.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

I am not? Seriously? I always call him out for a bad pick
Go back and read. I just said today that he threw a bad pick with a wide open RB. Get your details straight.

I'm talking over the course of the entire season.

95% of the time you're never critical of Nix. He's been the golden goose, no matter what. Which is fine, you're a Nix investor, you're in too deep. But if not for the Denver defense bailing him out, and giving him chances to win all these close games they find themselves in, the Broncos could easily be 7-8 right now

[mjekase]

Baker still has fewer picks and a better INT% than someone else.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I'm talking over the course of the entire season.

95% of the time you're never critical of Nix. He's been the golden goose, no matter what. Which is fine, you're a Nix investor, you're in too deep. But if not for the Denver defense bailing him out, and giving him chances to win all these close games they find themselves in, the Broncos could easily be 7-8 right now

Broncos are #2 in dropped passes, so yeah when there are 3&4 drops in a game like yesterday, I am going to blame the receivers. When they do a trick play bomb that actually works and receiver drops it I blame the receiver. When Sutton drops a TD I blame him. When Bo throws a bad pick, I am blaming him. When Payton makes dumb cheesy play calls like he often does, I blame him. Seems like you are throwing out blame to everyone but Baker- giving him a pass due to a mystery injury LOL

Just remember, it was me that said way back when, one day you are going to realize Baker is only so good and will not take you anyplace meaningful, and he will revert. It's happening in front of our eyes

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Broncos are #2 in dropped passes, so yeah when there are 3&4 drops in a game like yesterday, I am going to blame the receivers. When they do a trick play bomb that actually works and receiver drops it I blame the receiver. When Sutton drops a TD I blame him. When Bo throws a bad pick, I am blaming him. When Payton makes dumb cheesy play calls like he often does, I blame him. Seems like you are throwing out blame to everyone but Baker- giving him a pass due to a mystery injury LOL

Just remember, it was me that said way back when, one day you are going to realize Baker is only so good and will not take you anyplace meaningful, and he will revert. It's happening in front of our eyes

This is what is pointless about a discussion with you. Someone dares to not totally blame Blaker and you say they're playing the denial game or making up an injury excuse.

At the end of the day we all know you hate Baker and yes he has not been good for a few games here, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other reasons for this team falling like it has.

I dont what type of ego trip you are trying to get from trying to be the guy that called Baler for what he is, but man it's really weird how you try to be that guy.

Maybe Baker and the coaching dont mix? Maybe if the O Line knew how to block Baker wouldn't be running for his life. But that doesn't matter to you because that is giving Baker a pass, when in actuality it's part of the puzzle.

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

This is what is pointless about a discussion with you. Someone dares to not totally blame Blaker and you say they're playing the denial game or making up an injury excuse.

At the end of the day we all know you hate Baker and yes he has not been good for a few games here, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other reasons for this team falling like it has.

I dont what type of ego trip you are trying to get from trying to be the guy that called Baler for what he is, but man it's really weird how you try to be that guy.

Maybe Baker and the coaching dont mix? Maybe if the O Line knew how to block Baker wouldn't be running for his life. But that doesn't matter to you because that is giving Baker a pass, when in actuality it's part of the puzzle.

Not saying to totally blame Baker just saying to give him the blame he’s earned.