SGC Grading

[tconte]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Nat just wants to show us that he can #@#@#@#@ us even if we do not support the PSA brand.

I am about to jump ship. Have to decide if it will be MBA or CGC.

That's some bleak choices there.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by tconte

That's some bleak choices there.

Well CGC numbers for vintage are looking pretty good. When you consider that PSA grades cards 2 grades lower than they should be, how much are we leaving on the table submitting to them?

MBA numbers look amazing, actually, but I was only seeing sales out of Mile High and Greg Morris and know that initially these were MBA testing the market as they had not yet really been taking subs from the public. This was back in late July early Aug.

Either way, knowing that Brent is involved I could not help but wonder if he was shilling. Since I am friends with Greg and Brian (of Mile High), I flat out asked and both assured me that there were no suspicious bidding patterns and that people from all over the country were winning the cards.

My view on this is that it is not working out for me to keep supporting PSA with the way they are grading. SGC is gone as far as I am concerned and if they are not it will only be a matter of time before they slow down processing times even more and start grading more harsh (in line with PSA).

I am left with CGC, MBA or blow off grading completely, which is not an option.

[inaka]

The "Seller Ready Images" trick works again!

My order is still showing as "Post-Grading Processing" but my Seller Ready Images folder is live so I can see my grades. This was a 17 card order, all PC stuff, and here are a few highlights:



The great news is that grades were spot-on. At least for now, Collector's Universe hasn't changed/eliminated the SGC standards. These cards were graded exactly as expected.

Getting greedy, I was really hoping that Terry Bradshaw Autographed Rookie Reprint would get an Auto 10 too since the auto is perfect without streaks and not off the end of the card, but then again, auto grades are really dumb anyway when you think about it. It's an on-card auto that looks great and it's Topps Certified. An Auto 10 grade would just be the cherry on top.

So at least for this order, it may take a LONG time by SGC standards, (two months door-to-door most likely) but the great news is that SGC still has maintained their grading standards and that's the main thing for now anyway.

[Scottish Punk]

kellogg cards look really cool in SGC holders. I really love the 81? ones that are all yellow.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by tconte

That's some bleak choices there.

Not as bleak as you may think,MBA (Mike Baker)...Former PSA grader,co owner of GAI (knows Star Co Basketball)..there may be some debate on Mike but his grading isn't part of that.If he can get the funding its possible for him to make some noise.

CGC if they put their mind to it,could really gain market share on the sports side.....whether thats bringing in Peter or Mike or both....one things for sure SGC days are numbered its already just PSA lite at this point.Peter is gone,a lot of the old SGC graders are over at PSA....SGC is being run with PSA's back log,bad CS...soon the costs wont justify keeping SGC open and thats just how Nat planned it.anyone who cant see it is just not paying attention.

As a SGC fan none of what i say makes me happy in anyway.....but to deny whats obvious isnt gong to change it.the only saving grace for SGC slabs is everyone understands after the buyout that SGC was run into the ground on purpose so i doubt you'll see any dip in SGC slab prices at least for vintage and back......the ultra modern stuff probably wont fair so well.

[ty5oke]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

They are the same price! $15. Oversized items are larger than 3 ½ " x 5 ½ ". Anything under that is considered standard.

Originally Posted by inaka

As discodanman45 said as well, it's the same cost ($15) to grade tall boy cards. No extra cost, and you can submit them on the same order as all other standard cards.

Thank you for the info.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by Gary

As a SGC fan none of what i say makes me happy in anyway.....but to deny whats obvious isnt gong to change it.the only saving grace for SGC slabs is everyone understands after the buyout that SGC was run into the ground on purpose so i doubt you'll see any dip in SGC slab prices at least for vintage and back......the ultra modern stuff probably wont fair so well.

To me, everything boils down to the cards. I select a grader to grade and slab cards. Even if SGC goes out of business tomorrow, I still have my SGC cards in accurately graded slabs. So if SGC sticks around but starts giving unpredictable/inaccurate roulette wheel grades like PSA, then I'm done with them. Aside from that, the two month door-to-door turnaround sucks, but it's still HALF the turnaround of PSA, cheaper, more accurate grades, and a better presentation in the tux (in my opinion). I'm completely done with PSA for vintage.

I honestly hope CGC and Beckett start to gain marketshare as it's only good for the hobby overall to have other companies keep PSA in check. PSA currently is doing more volume than ever, and yet at the same time, I've never seen so many people that honestly are equally fed up with their service as I am. They're ripe for a downfall.

Since, I'm mainly a vintage collector. The cards inside the slabs are what I want most. I just like the consistency and presentation of SGC best. So I'll probably ride it out longer than most, even with the current SGC setbacks, because all grading companies now have a lot of negatives to go along with any positives. Grading has hit the "ensh*tification" stage, largely thanks to the greed of PSA, but I honestly do think their greed will come back to haunt them.

[SLGSports]

Agreed. Ripe opportunity for Beckett, but I don't know if they have a pulse these days. They seem to be running on fumes. CGC may soon become the Pepsi to PSA's Coke. That would definitely be best for the hobby.

[tconte]

I’m still riding with SGC as well, even with Nat and company doing everything they can to ruin the SGC experience.


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[jrinne17]

I've got another 60-card order going out to them either today or tomorrow.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by inaka

To me, everything boils down to the cards. I select a grader to grade and slab cards. Even if SGC goes out of business tomorrow, I still have my SGC cards in accurately graded slabs. So if SGC sticks around but starts giving unpredictable/inaccurate roulette wheel grades like PSA, then I'm done with them. Aside from that, the two month door-to-door turnaround sucks, but it's still HALF the turnaround of PSA, cheaper, more accurate grades, and a better presentation in the tux (in my opinion). I'm completely done with PSA for vintage.

I honestly hope CGC and Beckett start to gain marketshare as it's only good for the hobby overall to have other companies keep PSA in check. PSA currently is doing more volume than ever, and yet at the same time, I've never seen so many people that honestly are equally fed up with their service as I am. They're ripe for a downfall.

Since, I'm mainly a vintage collector. The cards inside the slabs are what I want most. I just like the consistency and presentation of SGC best. So I'll probably ride it out longer than most, even with the current SGC setbacks, because all grading companies now have a lot of negatives to go along with any positives. Grading has hit the "ensh*tification" stage, largely thanks to the greed of PSA, but I honestly do think their greed will come back to haunt them.

Agreed,im of basically the same opinion currently.PSA is busy due to non sports cards.....i just want to see someone at least with some credibility move to take sports cards seriously enough to give us a viable option.

[packerfavrefan]

Originally Posted by packerfavrefan

10 Card Order (15-20 Est. Day)

Order Submitted: 10/6/25
Order Shipped: 10/7/25
Delivered By USPS: 10/15/25
Received By SGC: 10/21/25
Post-Grade Processing: 11/21/25
Currently Showing: Post-Grade Processing (no grades yet or pics)

Updated.

[packerfavrefan]

10 Card Order.

Order Submitted: 10/6/25
Order Shipped: 10/7/25
Delivered By USPS: 10/15/25
Received By SGC: 10/21/25
Post-Grade Processing: 11/21/25
Shipped & Grades Posted: 11/24/25

[jtclockwork]

My order finally popped. SGC decided it didn't have time (though they took two months) to research 8 of my 26 card order even though some of those cards are from sets they've graded before and at least one was a card they've graded before. So, I take back every nice thing I've said about SGC's research team. It appears PSA took them away too.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by jtclockwork

My order finally popped. SGC decided it didn't have time (though they took two months) to research 8 of my 26 card order even though some of those cards are from sets they've graded before and at least one was a card they've graded before. So, I take back every nice thing I've said about SGC's research team. It appears PSA took them away too.

Wow, that's awful. So they rejected 8 cards and didn't grade them?
Were these raw submissions or crossovers?

I had that happen with one of my cards to SGC that I attempted a crossover from PSA. They said they didn't grade the card and sent it back not crossed over, still in the PSA slab. Then I found one in the past that SGC graded, so I cracked out the card raw, entered it into the SGC system on the next order the exact way it was entered on the label of the SGC card I found online, under raw card grading this time, and resubmitted. It worked.

So yeah, maybe SGC now is just doing half-arse research, and PSA is now handling R&D for SGC orders? If so, damn.

[thestickman1]

Originally Posted by jtclockwork

My order finally popped. SGC decided it didn't have time (though they took two months) to research 8 of my 26 card order even though some of those cards are from sets they've graded before and at least one was a card they've graded before. So, I take back every nice thing I've said about SGC's research team. It appears PSA took them away too.

That sucks! Try CGC. I have a current order there with nine cards that had to go through the research department. Only one was rejected. Good luck.

[jtclockwork]

Originally Posted by thestickman1

That sucks! Try CGC. I have a current order there with nine cards that had to go through the research department. Only one was rejected. Good luck.

I'm going to have to go back to CGC after this.

[jtclockwork]

Originally Posted by inaka

Wow, that's awful. So they rejected 8 cards and didn't grade them?
Were these raw submissions or crossovers?

I had that happen with one of my cards to SGC that I attempted a crossover from PSA. They said they didn't grade the card and sent it back not crossed over, still in the PSA slab. Then I found one in the past that SGC graded, so I cracked out the card raw, entered it into the SGC system on the next order the exact way it was entered on the label of the SGC card I found online, under raw card grading this time, and resubmitted. It worked.

So yeah, maybe SGC now is just doing half-arse research, and PSA is now handling R&D for SGC orders? If so, damn.

These were all raw cards.

[inaka]

Originally Posted by jtclockwork

These were all raw cards.

That's terrible.
Hopefully you were not charged.

SGC initially charged me on that PSA crossover they couldn't crossover, claiming they didn't grade that card. It was weird. They then refunded me.

[jtclockwork]

Originally Posted by inaka

That's terrible.
Hopefully you were not charged.

SGC initially charged me on that PSA crossover they couldn't crossover, claiming they didn't grade that card. It was weird. They then refunded me.

I got a refund. It's not the worst thing to happen to me today. It's just annoying and I have a giant stack of cards I was planning on submitting to SGC. Now, I don't know what I'll do, as a lot of them are Exhibit-sized cards and PSA is no longer an option for me price-wise. Nor would they do any better with them. The obscure regular sized cards I'll send to CGC.

[jrinne17]

I have 10 cards in house with them and 60 more on the way of a card that just came out. If they deny them, I will be pissed. That's my one issue with them is not grading cards that are cards they have graded in the past, I.E. uncirculated cards.

[KooksCards215]

8 card submission just went to post-grading after about 22 days and one card was unable to be graded…I received this note:

“Thank you for reaching out. The card that our team was unable to process was the 2024 Panini Certified #131 Cooper Dejean Mirror Teal 33/50, the reason being is that these cards from this particular set have a tendency to become compromised during the encapsulation process. Because of this, our team is no longer grading the mirror parallels from the base set of the 2024 Certified Football set. We do still have the ability to grade the base cards, the autographs, the inserts, as well as the patch/patch-auto cards. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause”

Just an FYI if anyone was thinking of submitting cards in that set

[Boostedwrx]

Is there a thread for people to cry in about how SGC collectors want PSA prices for their cards?

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Boostedwrx

Is there a thread for people to cry in about how SGC collectors want PSA prices for their cards?

Where is that located in this thread? The vast majority of people here don't give a crap about prices. We are not flippers, but we are collectors. Please only post on flipping threads. Don't troll here.

[Boostedwrx]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Where is that located in this thread? The vast majority of people here don't give a crap about prices. We are not flippers, but we are collectors. Please only post on flipping threads. Don't troll here.

I literally asked where the thread is. TDS!