First Buzz: 2024-25 Topps Reverence UCC soccer cards

[MTBRM]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Does Topps actually have a worldwide total for every country max order now? I managed to place orders in every country it was available. The max order was 1 box. All but 1 country got cancelled.

My entry still says “entered”, so I’m assuming I didn’t get it based off of this.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by MTBRM

My entry still says “entered”, so I’m assuming I didn’t get it based off of this.

That's not what I was talking about. The European sites had it for sale not EQL. The limit was 1 box. The foreign sites at some point recently switched to Shopify. Before that it was the same old checkout system. I'm guessing that when it switched over to Shopify you now can only order total from all European sites combined a single country's order limit. I had an order for each of 5 countries. 4 of the 5 were canceled. The first one is the only one that stayed.

Originally Posted by The Accountant

what were the eql pricing/limits?

You said the MLS the other day was an easy buy and you didn't take 1 minute to enter for this?!? I know you probably wouldn't have gotten picked, but it was a free give or take $3400 per case profit for something that cost under $2500. That's as easy of a buy as you are ever going to see.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

That's not what I was talking about. The European sites had it for sale not EQL. The limit was 1 box. The foreign sites at some point recently switched to Shopify. Before that it was the same old checkout system. I'm guessing that when it switched over to Shopify you now can only order total from all European sites combined a single country's order limit. I had an order for each of 5 countries. 4 of the 5 were canceled. The first one is the only one that stayed.



You said the MLS the other day was an easy buy and you didn't take 1 minute to enter for this?!? I know you probably wouldn't have gotten picked, but it was a free give or take $3400 per case profit for something that cost under $2500. That's as easy of a buy as you are ever going to see.

Are you even a Soccer fan?

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

That's not what I was talking about. The European sites had it for sale not EQL. The limit was 1 box. The foreign sites at some point recently switched to Shopify. Before that it was the same old checkout system. I'm guessing that when it switched over to Shopify you now can only order total from all European sites combined a single country's order limit. I had an order for each of 5 countries. 4 of the 5 were canceled. The first one is the only one that stayed.



You said the MLS the other day was an easy buy and you didn't take 1 minute to enter for this?!? I know you probably wouldn't have gotten picked, but it was a free give or take $3400 per case profit for something that cost under $2500. That's as easy of a buy as you are ever going to see.

Gotta pick and choose battles my friend. Timing wasn’t good as I was booked over the full hour this dropped for work calls. Can’t win them all


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[crdbored]

$1000+ on boxes via ebay for 3 sticker autos is just wow lol

Also, this product design is terrible. Idk who decided to add a backdrop to a sticker auto.
It's so difficult to actually see the autograph of most players.

Breakers eating off this stuff. If you managed to hit the EQL, congrats on the flip.

[YayNJ]

there's a new breed of degenerate buying all this stuff and paying these prices

[mfw13]

Ugly cards....ridiculous price....perfect for breakers....

[crdbored]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

there's a new breed of degenerate buying all this stuff and paying these prices

Absolutely. Fanatics has reeled in a whole lot of newbies who are throwing way too much money on their app.

Add in the Yamal hype who has brought in a whole bunch of new soccer buyers.

All these legends signing in every product for Topps is just diluting their value.
Look at the legend autos in basketball. Awesome hits but after a while they don't sell so well because they sign in every product.
Very similar situation will happen to Topps' soccer/football legends after a few years.

[YayNJ]

Originally Posted by crdbored

Absolutely. Fanatics has reeled in a whole lot of newbies who are throwing way too much money on their app.

Add in the Yamal hype who has brought in a whole bunch of new soccer buyers.

All these legends signing in every product for Topps is just diluting their value.
Look at the legend autos in basketball. Awesome hits but after a while they don't sell so well because they sign in every product.
Very similar situation will happen to Topps' soccer/football legends after a few years.

Aye.

I started a little side PC on Gary Lineker autos a few years ago. I've given up now and sold the vast majority off. He has hundreds of new autos flooding the market every year, same goes with Kevin Keegan. They have to realise at some point that there's just too much of this stuff now - it doesn't feel .. not sure if this is right word or not.. special anymore. It's actually become a chore. The whole hobby just feels toxic and aggressive at the moment.

Most stuff listed on eBay is priced ridiculously, nobody dares start .99c 7 day auctions anymore and stuff just sits at ever ridiculous prices that eclipse Covid times.

Meanwhile Topps and Fanatics flood all your socials with adverts showing off cards that have sold for $35,000 - £60,000 that 99.9% of the hobby will never own anything of the sort and you've got legions of minions dropping their hard earnt on cookie cutter topps sets with junkwax runs. It's depressing.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

Aye.

I started a little side PC on Gary Lineker autos a few years ago. I've given up now and sold the vast majority off. He has hundreds of new autos flooding the market every year, same goes with Kevin Keegan. They have to realise at some point that there's just too much of this stuff now - it doesn't feel .. not sure if this is right word or not.. special anymore. It's actually become a chore. The whole hobby just feels toxic and aggressive at the moment.

As a Newcastle supporter, I collect Alan Shearer autos.....but that doesn't mean that I collect every single Shearer auto that Topps/Panini produces....I pick and choose which ones to buy depending on whether or not I like the card design....generally end up buying 2-3 a year.

You say that autos of players like Keegan/Lineker are "flooding the market"....I'd disagree...they probably get autos in 4-6 new products each season....that's not a lot compared to retired stars in other sports, who are often in 10+ products every season.

[YayNJ]

ONLY six products a year you say

[dubsea]

4-6 products and in each product parallels out of /399, /299, /199, /150, /99, /75, /60, /50, /35, /25, /10, /5, /1

That's 5628 to 8442 cards per year not including base!

Sure, that's an over exaggeration for autos and not every set has parallels that high, but sheesh....is there really a viable long term market for even say 1000-2000?

At what point to some of these people collecting parallels and rainbows with some hope of future value start looking at their massive pile of ultra modern parallels / autos and realize the emperor has no clothes?

If you're picking up a couple here and there and they are ones you enjoy to look at and dont care about appreciation, you're in a pretty good spot. But my impression with a lot of ultra modern buyers is that is simply not the case.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by YayNJ

ONLY six products a year you say

Well.....just about every other sport has 30+ products a year.....

Go look at how many autos all-time greats like Nolan Ryan (baseball), Kareen Abdul-Jabbar (basketball), Wayne Gretzky (hockey), or Joe Montana (football) have signed over the years.

Many all-time greats are STILL signing 1000+ stickers a year....

[crdbored]

Originally Posted by dubsea

4-6 products and in each product parallels out of /399, /299, /199, /150, /99, /75, /60, /50, /35, /25, /10, /5, /1

That's 5628 to 8442 cards per year not including base!

Sure, that's an over exaggeration for autos and not every set has parallels that high, but sheesh....is there really a viable long term market for even say 1000-2000?

At what point to some of these people collecting parallels and rainbows with some hope of future value start looking at their massive pile of ultra modern parallels / autos and realize the emperor has no clothes?

If you're picking up a couple here and there and they are ones you enjoy to look at and dont care about appreciation, you're in a pretty good spot. But my impression with a lot of ultra modern buyers is that is simply not the case.

In 20+ years, I can only image the amount of people who will have 3200 ct boxes filled with various non-numbered and higher numbers parallels thinking its worth thousands.
Very similar to how people find out those junk-wax era collections they are trying to sell off are filled with worthless stuff.

I wasn't collecting during those "junk wax" days but you can't deny similarities.

[gomiamigo]

Julius Erving, Dr. J, one of the greatest and most exciting players of alltime has also been signing forever. It is a privilege to be able to buy a cheap auto card of him from the most expensive set[s].

And maybe the best autograph out there, as well. Kareem's is also nice.

[pregra]

Anyone seen a on-card auto yet?

[YayNJ]

Real Madrid have had their shirts brushed out on some cards

More total garbage from Topps.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by pregra

Anyone seen a on-card auto yet?

On-card autos are almost non-existent in the soccer world.....

[Kendrick]

Originally Posted by dubsea

4-6 products and in each product parallels out of /399, /299, /199, /150, /99, /75, /60, /50, /35, /25, /10, /5, /1

That's 5628 to 8442 cards per year not including base!

Sure, that's an over exaggeration for autos and not every set has parallels that high, but sheesh....is there really a viable long term market for even say 1000-2000?

At what point to some of these people collecting parallels and rainbows with some hope of future value start looking at their massive pile of ultra modern parallels / autos and realize the emperor has no clothes?

If you're picking up a couple here and there and they are ones you enjoy to look at and dont care about appreciation, you're in a pretty good spot. But my impression with a lot of ultra modern buyers is that is simply not the case.

I think you're probably right that in time the low numbered parallels, epsecially anything above 150 will be just about worthless for all but the elite players.

I enjoy collecting modern, but I'm trying to really focus on specific sets (UCC Chrome, PRIZM EPL etc) and/or specific parallels that I think will hold up better down the line. For example, in Topps sets the gold /50, black /10, red /5 etc. Nobody is going to want the /399 of a middle of the road defender in 2035.

[YayNJ]

Topps Chrome, Prizm EPL... Most /5 will be next to worthless down the line for the garbage players. Only the truly god tier elite players will survive.

There's far, far, far too much of it, every year. We're in an age where every player gets what feels like 20-30 one-of-ones each season. Garbage.

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by mfw13

On-card autos are almost non-existent in the soccer world.....

On-card might have made a difference with these cards, but without them this is just a continuation of the money grab. The match worn relics that are standout logos/patches are pretty nice too, I guess.

I feel like the truly nice on-card stuff is what should stand out over time…MOE, the nicest stuff from dynasty, flawless, and whatever NT and immaculate ever did that was actually on-card

[pregra]

Originally Posted by mfw13

On-card autos are almost non-existent in the soccer world.....

Yeah, but wasn’t there a particular auto subset that was supposed to be on card? It’s mentioned in the product description in this thread as well.