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Old 07-15-2025, 04:43 PM   #40751
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If they can grade packs, they should be able to grade the card within the Flawless one-touch with the seal intact!
Don't be foolish, they already have cases for sealed one-touches.
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Old 07-15-2025, 05:23 PM   #40752
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The lack of a border and lack of subtle lines/shadow behind mahomes image makes the card look plain to me.. when I was deciding which to buy, I had to see them both in person, thankfully I did because it was a easier decision..owning either is a huge accomplishment
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Old 07-15-2025, 07:26 PM   #40753
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The lack of a border and lack of subtle lines/shadow behind mahomes image makes the card look plain to me.. when I was deciding which to buy, I had to see them both in person, thankfully I did because it was a easier decision..owning either is a huge accomplishment
To me that's what makes Flawless the Insert RPA that stands out.

It shouldn't be compared to the NT base, it should be compared to the NT Rookie Material Autos, or the Immaculate Premium Patch Auto
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Old 07-15-2025, 08:09 PM   #40754
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pretty bad on panini's part that mahomes doesn't actually have one game worn card from his rookie year
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Old 07-15-2025, 08:21 PM   #40755
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I want to keep it sealed, but people have commented about the question of authenticity leaving it in the Panini seal. You're right that it probably won't gem. It's the last of my Mahomes collection. All of them but the Flawless were sold over the past 5 years.

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Old 07-15-2025, 08:33 PM   #40756
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Since this is a prices thread:

Not pictured:
Select XRC sold Jun 17, 2020 for $3,349.
Downtown 2018 Donruss version sold for $739 on Aug 3, 2020.
Optic Holo BGS 9.5 sold May 23, 2020 for $975.

Pictured Sales I could find in my e-mails:
Flawless patch /25 sold Apr 13, 2021 for $2,499
Limited RPA sold Aug 11, 2021 for $7000
NT Rookie Sig /99 Sold Aug 13, 2021 for $9000
NT Booklet RPA sold Sep 30, 2021 for $6,400
Encased /10 sold Oct 19, 2023 for $13,400
Flawless Rookie Sigs Red (graded BGS 9.5) /10 sold Feb 28, 2024 for $16,200
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Old 07-15-2025, 08:51 PM   #40757
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good lord thats a nice stash

when did you buy them all? 2017/2018
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Old 07-15-2025, 10:14 PM   #40758
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good lord thats a nice stash

when did you buy them all? 2017/2018
Yeah, I bought them as the sets came out. Mostly in early 2018.
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Old 07-15-2025, 11:38 PM   #40759
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I want to keep it sealed, but people have commented about the question of authenticity leaving it in the Panini seal. You're right that it probably won't gem. It's the last of my Mahomes collection. All of them but the Flawless were sold over the past 5 years.

Nice group pic there!

Are there fake flawless deals with fake flawless cards in them???
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Old 07-15-2025, 11:43 PM   #40760
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Nice group pic there!

Are there fake flawless deals with fake flawless cards in them???
Thank you! I don't think so. I dunno, it feels like the right thing to do for this card, but maybe giving the buyer the option is a better call.
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Old 07-16-2025, 07:06 AM   #40761
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Option C: sell the card years from now after Mahomes racks up a few more superbowls.
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Old 07-16-2025, 08:36 AM   #40762
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Thank you! I don't think so. I dunno, it feels like the right thing to do for this card, but maybe giving the buyer the option is a better call.
Are you planning on selling it soon? If so, then yeah, crack it out and grade it. Or if you're looking to sell it at the National, let me know. I'll be there and would prefer it with the Flawless label =)

But long term, I think seeing a card of this magnitude still in it's original seal (meaning it has never been touched after leaving Panini) could hold some significance.

When you said people were questioning the authenticity if you left it with the seal, that worried me bc I have a Luka Flawless with the seal.
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Old 07-16-2025, 08:43 AM   #40763
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I want to keep it sealed, but people have commented about the question of authenticity leaving it in the Panini seal. You're right that it probably won't gem. It's the last of my Mahomes collection. All of them but the Flawless were sold over the past 5 years.

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Since this is a prices thread:

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Select XRC sold Jun 17, 2020 for $3,349.
Downtown 2018 Donruss version sold for $739 on Aug 3, 2020.
Optic Holo BGS 9.5 sold May 23, 2020 for $975.

Pictured Sales I could find in my e-mails:
Flawless patch /25 sold Apr 13, 2021 for $2,499
Limited RPA sold Aug 11, 2021 for $7000
NT Rookie Sig /99 Sold Aug 13, 2021 for $9000
NT Booklet RPA sold Sep 30, 2021 for $6,400
Encased /10 sold Oct 19, 2023 for $13,400
Flawless Rookie Sigs Red (graded BGS 9.5) /10 sold Feb 28, 2024 for $16,200
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Old 07-16-2025, 10:15 AM   #40764
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I want to keep it sealed, but people have commented about the question of authenticity leaving it in the Panini seal. You're right that it probably won't gem. It's the last of my Mahomes collection. All of them but the Flawless were sold over the past 5 years.


So all of those sold except the flawless? In case yeah I’d grade and keep it to remember the collection. Really beautiful cards you had


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Old 07-17-2025, 05:31 AM   #40765
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Did anyone see the story about those autos being fake? I think it’s mostly memorabilia. But they were saying 90% of Mahomes and Judge autos are fake


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Old 07-17-2025, 05:49 AM   #40766
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95% actually. Yeah. I’m more interested in knowing if the rookies with his new auto are fake. The ones with the blue/yellow ink. One ebayer has a whole store of new-style Mahomes autos on his 2017 cards. I won’t accuse them of being fake but I’m now 100% suspect.
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Old 07-17-2025, 05:59 AM   #40767
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95% actually. Yeah. I’m more interested in knowing if the rookies with his new auto are fake. The ones with the blue/yellow ink. One ebayer has a whole store of new-style Mahomes autos on his 2017 cards. I won’t accuse them of being fake but I’m now 100% suspect.

Like in person autos? Not pack pulled?


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Old 07-17-2025, 06:08 AM   #40768
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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_dkr...1&_nkw=mahomes

I'm not accusing anyone of anything (if these are legit than this ebayer is actually awesome for going out and getting all these signed) BUT if that original post is true than statistically some of these have to be fake.
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Old 07-17-2025, 06:14 AM   #40769
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Did anyone see the story about those autos being fake? I think it’s mostly memorabilia. But they were saying 90% of Mahomes and Judge autos are fake


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Old 07-17-2025, 07:51 AM   #40770
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Nice group pic there!

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Thank you! I don't think so. I dunno, it feels like the right thing to do for this card, but maybe giving the buyer the option is a better call.
Maybe, maybe not. But do you know how easy it is to "unseal" (aka, peel the Flawless sticker back), open the one-touch, grade it and when it comes back a PSA 7, put it back in the one-touch and seal it back up? It's just a one-touch with a sticker holding it together. Not to mention, most of the older issues' cases are scratched to hell. I'd never buy a sealed Flawless card. Especially a high-dollar one.
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Old 07-17-2025, 08:52 AM   #40771
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Maybe, maybe not. But do you know how easy it is to "unseal" (aka, peel the Flawless sticker back), open the one-touch, grade it and when it comes back a PSA 7, put it back in the one-touch and seal it back up? It's just a one-touch with a sticker holding it together. Not to mention, most of the older issues' cases are scratched to hell. I'd never buy a sealed Flawless card. Especially a high-dollar one.
I haven't tried to remove the Flawless label before. I thought they were one of those tamper proof stickers that left residue/damaged the original seal once removed.

If not, another poorly planned idea from Panini.
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I haven't tried to remove the Flawless label before. I thought they were one of those tamper proof stickers that left residue/damaged the original seal once removed.

If not, another poorly planned idea from Panini.
The Flawless stickers are tamper proof. Pay no attention to conspiracy theories. You can visibly tell when someone has tried to peel them back.
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Old 07-18-2025, 05:48 PM   #40773
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I haven't tried to remove the Flawless label before. I thought they were one of those tamper proof stickers that left residue/damaged the original seal once removed.

If not, another poorly planned idea from Panini.
If you're reckless, they can be "tamper proof". Ebay's authenticity stickers are, too, however I've opened many slab sleeves where the portion that's supposed to be left behind signifying tampering has been left completely intact.

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The Flawless stickers are tamper proof. Pay no attention to conspiracy theories. You can visibly tell when someone has tried to peel them back.
Conspiracy theories? Go get a $10 Flawless encased card and a razor and get back to me. I've seen it done. It's not difficult at all.
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Old 07-18-2025, 07:01 PM   #40774
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Seeing these cards bringing back memories. I remember grading these - knew they wouldn't get 10's but still loved the look of them.

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Old 07-18-2025, 07:02 PM   #40775
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Seeing these cards bringing back memories. I remember grading these - knew they wouldn't get 10's but still loved the look of them.


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