All-Star rosters unveiled. All complaints here!

[Cactuspies]

advanced stat fights for an ASG roster? tell your hometowns to vote better and make your players more likable to people & have better 1st half stats to be reserves. this is like spring training stats fights. guys are going to play a couple of innings.

[marl1220]

Javier Baez starting, or even playing, is a joke.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Cactuspies

advanced stat fights for an ASG roster? tell your hometowns to vote better and make your players more likable to people & have better 1st half stats to be reserves. this is like spring training stats fights. guys are going to play a couple of innings.

A lot of truth to this -- it's in many ways a popularity contest and a what-have-you-done-lately contest.

But traditionally, All Star selections have also been based on reputations of players as well. And a rookie with a half season of play being selected over a guy who finished second in MVP voting the year before and who had a historically-great season makes no sense.

[Cactuspies]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

A lot of truth to this -- it's in many ways a popularity contest and a what-have-you-done-lately contest.

But traditionally, All Star selections have also been based on reputations of players as well. And a rookie with a half season of play being selected over a guy who finished second in MVP voting the year before and who had a historically-great season makes no sense.

well it would appear the no town A's have better fans than KC. it's really all there is to it. vote better if you wanted BWJ there to start instead of the current ROY favorite

[RW3FAN]

Mariners fan here that doesn't understand how Julio made the team.

[TBTC Baseball]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Javier Baez starting, or even playing, is a joke.

It is a great reward, from the Tiger fans, for his turnaround.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by Cactuspies

well it would appear the no town A's have better fans than KC. it's really all there is to it. vote better if you wanted BWJ there to start instead of the current ROY favorite

If A's fans voted in Wilson, then why were no other A's sniffing a starting spot? Neither fan base was motivated this year. Casual fans voted Wilson in. Why would a casual fan do that is the real question.

I brought this up in Bobby Witt page and got ripped for asking the question, but the two non-teamcentric fans that voted for Wilson said they did so because his batting average was higher. So that's the best answer we've got. Otherwise, it just turns into "shut up and stop crying" or "who cares, its the all star game".

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by mudder35

If A's fans voted in Wilson, then why were no other A's sniffing a starting spot? Neither fan base was motivated this year. Casual fans voted Wilson in. Why would a casual fan do that is the real question.

Are you suggesting the only 3 groups who voted are As fans, KC fans, and casual fans?

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Are you suggesting the only 3 groups who voted are As fans, KC fans, and casual fans?

Not at all. It was suggested that this was a vote between A's fans and Royals fans and the A's fans were better because Wilson won. By casual fan, I mean fans motivated to vote because they wanted Baez or Tucker or Will Smith to make it and checked a box for an AL SS race they didn't care about.

[mudder35]

Hypothetically, it's like if a non Marlins or Mets fan voted for Kyle Stowers over Juan Soto. I understand that some people would choose Stowers, but why would a majority of fans make that choice? That's the confusing part of the Witt/Wilson outcome.

[hche]

Please remember the voting started on 6/4 and ended on 6/26. For most part during that 3 weeks, Wilson's averages was like Tony Gwynn .350-.370 with very low K rate. Even though he cooled down a bit later, a lot of the votes were already in. So it is not that surprising about his pick over Witt or Pena.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by hche

Please remember the voting started on 6/4 and ended on 6/26. For most part during that 3 weeks, Wilson's averages was like Tony Gwynn .350-.370 with very low K rate. Even though he cooled down a bit later, a lot of the votes were already in. So it is not that surprising about his pick over Witt or Pena.

That's all well and good, but Witt and Wilson were in a blank slate, 2 1/2 day head to head vote off for the starting spot.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by mudder35

That's all well and good, but Witt and Wilson were in a blank slate, 2 1/2 day head to head vote off for the starting spot.

Maybe Witt isn't as popular as we're led to believe on a baseball card forum.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by JRX

Maybe Witt isn't as popular as we're led to believe on a baseball card forum.

That's fine too. But are we to believe that Jacob Wilson is more popular than Bobby Witt? And if so, I think it's more then fair to ask why that may be.

Pretty much any MLB commercial they've put out in the last 6 months usually features him alongside Ohtani, Judge, and a handful of others. MLB is selling its overall product by telling us he's good. How did he lose to a no-name rookie on a bad team with low fan interest?
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[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by hche

Please remember the voting started on 6/4 and ended on 6/26. For most part during that 3 weeks, Wilson's averages was like Tony Gwynn .350-.370 with very low K rate. Even though he cooled down a bit later, a lot of the votes were already in. So it is not that surprising about his pick over Witt or Pena.

Actually, Wilson was voted in over Witt in phase two of voting, which took place during June 30th to July 2nd. Phase two involved the top-two vote-getters at each position squaring off.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

The Royals are at the bottom of MLB's market size rankings: https://x.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1757191296085877075

It's hard for a small-market team's fanbase to make a strong push for an All Star candidate. For whatever reason, Witt wasn't a popular enough choice with voters this season.

Its not like the Royals ever had four all star game starters elected along with teh final vote in.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Its not like the Royals ever had four all star game starters elected along with teh final vote in.

Correct. An excited and motivated fan base can have a huge impact on the voting, which is why the Baez/Greene/Gleyber, and Tucker/PCA picks don't raise any eyebrows. When the Royals were on fire, their fan base responded and they literally changed the rules the next year to mitigate it from happening again.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by mudder35

Correct. An excited and motivated fan base can have a huge impact on the voting, which is why the Baez/Greene/Gleyber, and Tucker/PCA picks don't raise any eyebrows. When the Royals were on fire, their fan base responded and they literally changed the rules the next year to mitigate it from happening again.

Baez definitely still raises an eyebrow. A wonderful redemption story, a horrible All-Star starter pick (at a position he isn't even playing anymore is fun though!)

[JRX]

They should just end the voting all together I doubt it has any impact on the tv ratings. Like are they really going to get a big share from the DET market?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by JRX

They should just end the voting all together I doubt it has any impact on the tv ratings. Like are they really going to get a big share from the DET market?

If Skubal starts I'd imagine they do.....

Greene and Torres are both totally deserving starters, too. It's just Baez. It's kinda crappy the best team in Baseball only has 4 guys on the team (3 which should be on the team).

[JRX]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

If Skubal starts I'd imagine they do.....

Greene and Torres are both totally deserving starters, too. It's just Baez. It's kinda crappy the best team in Baseball only has 4 guys on the team (3 which should be on the team).

Yeah but how many people across the country are going to tune in to watch a bunch of guys on Det? No offense to the Tigers, they're having a great year, but its just a glorified exhibition. Put the best players in there regardless of team.

[hxcmilkshake]

Can we bet anywhere that Devers will get asked on as a replacement and will refuse?

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[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by JRX

Yeah but how many people across the country are going to tune in to watch a bunch of guys on Det? No offense to the Tigers, they're having a great year, but its just a glorified exhibition. Put the best players in there regardless of team.

I don't know, but Skubal is the best pitcher on the planet, I'd assume America wants to see that?

Baez is actually a big name for a casual and so is Torres, so not sure what the issue is really then lol.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

Its not like the Royals ever had four all star game starters elected along with teh final vote in.

They weren't voted in as starters.

[DylanPowers92]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

If I were starting a franchise from scratch, the first position player I would take is Bobby Witt Jr. But he is not starting the All Star game, even though he is objectively deserving.

Make. It. Make. Sense.

Fans picked Wilson over BWJ...not super difficult to figure out