✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

So the offer for the Heritage ROA fell through.

I’ve been offered another trade…

2018 Bowman’s Best auto PSA 10 (my card)

For

2018 Topps Update clear /10 BGS 8.5 with subgrades of 10,10,10,7.5

I don’t really know the value of the clear as they never sell.

Is this a trade I should make? The BB is the only Ohtani auto I have

That’s a tough one. Autos are nice.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

So the offer for the Heritage ROA fell through.

I’ve been offered another trade…

2018 Bowman’s Best auto PSA 10 (my card)

For

2018 Topps Update clear /10 BGS 8.5 with subgrades of 10,10,10,7.5

I don’t really know the value of the clear as they never sell.

Is this a trade I should make? The BB is the only Ohtani auto I have

i am assuming its the US1 Clear?

Man, i think you have to make that trade.

i know its sacreligious to say this but autos are so overblown.
add in that yours is from an off-brand.

Clears are a special kind of special. most of us dont have them because their are either too costly, or too difficult to find.

This is a damn good discussion though

[Trueblue]

If you're keeping it forever, clear. But autos are always going to be much easier to move if you get out again.

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i am assuming its the US1 Clear?

Man, i think you have to make that trade.

i know its sacreligious to say this but autos are so overblown.
add in that yours is from an off-brand.

Clears are a special kind of special. most of us dont have them because their are either too costly, or too difficult to find.

This is a damn good discussion though

Yes, US1 clear 06/10

I’ve been thinking about it all afternoon. I hate to give up my only auto but never thought I’d have the chance to own a clear

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

Yes, US1 clear 06/10

I’ve been thinking about it all afternoon. I hate to give up my only auto but never thought I’d have the chance to own a clear

Ohtani has a total of 20 Rookie Year Clear Base Cards. 700 and US1
and thats if every single pack is opened.

i would comfortably say that The Mayor alone owns at least 20 Rookie Year Ohtani Autos

[Rage]

As much as it pains me to say to trade away an Ohtani auto especially a 2018 PSA 10, the clear /10 is too rare to pass up. You can always replace the Ohtani auto but the clears are about as rare as a non-1/1 can get.
Like TrueBlue mentioned though the auto will be easier to move if you are worried about having to do that in the future.

[Qubits]

I would also trade that auto for the Clear. A large part of that though is because I personally feel that PSA 10s are a scam.

[eastbayak]

Just as a "comp", this one (S2, PSA 8) sold in Oct-Nov 2024 for ~$5.5k.



Obviously, that's nearly a half-year ago but hope that helps some. It's 700 and not U1, the former being the more preferred, I'd assume.

[Cardsandcoffee]

Has the other party offered any reasoning why they want to trade the clear US1 for the BB Auto PSA 10?

[soicanbefree]

I think the clear is the more desirable card and it's not even really that close?

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Just as a "comp", this one (S2, PSA 8) sold in Oct-Nov 2024 for ~$5.5k.



Obviously, that's nearly a half-year ago but hope that helps some. It's 700 and not U1, the former being the more preferred, I'd assume.

Thanks I appreciate that info. Where did you find this sale?

Based on this sale I don’t think the US1 would be over 5k. So while the clear is super rare I’d be on the losing end of the value part of this trade to the tune of about $2500

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

Has the other party offered any reasoning why they want to trade the clear US1 for the BB Auto PSA 10?

No, it was just offered to me through a trade site.

I’d assume he thinks he getting value. Based that #700 PSA 8 sale at 5.5k I wouldn’t put a US1 BGS 8.5 above that value and the last couple of BB PSA 10 autos have sold for 7k+

[ThoseBackPages]

i think you are looking at it all wrong. obviously its your card, do what you want.

in the future, which will be more difficult to find?

right now, how many Best PSA 10s are there? what will stop there from being more?

There will ALWAYS only be 10 US1 Clears. That will not change

[ThoseBackPages]

also if its a trade site, make sure they send first

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think you are looking at it all wrong. obviously its your card, do what you want.

in the future, which will be more difficult to find?

right now, how many Best PSA 10s are there? what will stop there from being more?

There will ALWAYS only be 10 US1 Clears. That will not change

I see what you’re saying and I agree, I just want to make sure I’m not making a trade that I should ask for some cash on top of as I don’t want to just give up a couple thousand dollars in value.

[Stringmusic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

also if its a trade site, make sure they send first

It’s actually a site where both cards are sent to a third party to be verified and then the third party sends each person their respective cards. It’s pretty nice.

[NYRE2PECT]

2018 Flagship #700 Clear....whew.

I would add that the Ohtani market has moved upward since Oct/Nov and will have closed that gap to some degree.

And as TBP said, 1 of 20.

[oddstuff]

From a purely rarity perspective, the clear is the winner. There's 20 clears between 700 and US1. 80 of the Bow Best base auto have been submitted to date with 64 gem 10s. If I had the bow best auto, I wouldn't even think twice and make the trade with no additional dollars asked for from the other party. Hope the other trader is not reading this forum.

[Trueblue]

Autos versus any parallels are going to be a debate of scarcity versus desirability. I love my flagship parallels, but there's just a wider audience that covets autos. No wrong answer as to which to collect, but that's the truth.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Stringmusic

Thanks I appreciate that info. Where did you find this sale?

Based on this sale I don’t think the US1 would be over 5k. So while the clear is super rare I’d be on the losing end of the value part of this trade to the tune of about $2500

No problem at all!

I remember someone mentioning the auction in Oct/Nov and then a member shared the card (auction winner) in this thread and I checked to see where it ended. I tried to search for the auction for you but couldn't find it, but I found an IG post where someone mentioned to watch the auction (towards the end of Oct 2024) and someone commented that it sold for $5500 (which is what I vaguely remembered).

I wouldn't comp the US1 value with the 700 sale from October/November. But to get an idea of what it might be worth, you can track the differences in prices between other cards (from Oct/Nov to today), then you can get an idea of what it could be worth. Obviously, with a Clear, there's only 10 of them (for a given card) so it's not as easy to predict using the aforementioned method (esp because rarer cards can have significantly higher sales due to low supply). But it's a starting point.

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think you are looking at it all wrong. obviously its your card, do what you want.

in the future, which will be more difficult to find?

right now, how many Best PSA 10s are there? what will stop there from being more?

There will ALWAYS only be 10 US1 Clears. That will not change

Conversely (and I hate to play devil's advocate but I think it's good to critically assess it from all angles), during a hot market (Oct/Nov 2024), the 700 clear only sold for $5.5k.

There were many eyes on that auction too, particularly from Ohtani collectors (including people in this thread). A sale so low for such a rare card (when rare cards from other products easily break 5-6 figures) makes you wonder, if Clears are truly as desired as you claim, why didn't sell for a lot more than $5.5k? With such a "low" sale, it's quite clear that many Ohtani collectors (including big ones from this thread) passed on it.

[Rage]

If that is your only Ohtani auto there's no problem with keeping it either. This is a win win situation lol

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

Autos versus any parallels are going to be a debate of scarcity versus desirability. I love my flagship parallels, but there's just a wider audience that covets autos. No wrong answer as to which to collect, but that's the truth.

Well-said.

I think it's a reflection of the current hobby landscape. Collectors, who only make up a fraction of the hobby now, love flagship parallels. But flippers/investors (and collectors) love autos.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by Rage

If that is your only Ohtani auto there's no problem with keeping it either. This is a win win situation lol

Agree!

What a fun proposition.

Collect what you like!


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

No problem at all!

I remember someone mentioning the auction in Oct/Nov and then a member shared the card (auction winner) in this thread and I checked to see where it ended. I tried to search for the auction for you but couldn't find it, but I found an IG post where someone mentioned to watch the auction (towards the end of Oct 2024) and someone commented that it sold for $5500 (which is what I vaguely remembered).

I wouldn't comp the US1 value with the 700 sale from October/November. But to get an idea of what it might be worth, you can track the differences in prices between other cards (from Oct/Nov to today), then you can get an idea of what it could be worth. Obviously, with a Clear, there's only 10 of them (for a given card) so it's not as easy to predict using the aforementioned method (esp because rarer cards can have significantly higher sales due to low supply). But it's a starting point.



Conversely (and I hate to play devil's advocate but I think it's good to critically assess it from all angles), during a hot market (Oct/Nov 2024), the 700 clear only sold for $5.5k.

There were many eyes on that auction too, particularly from Ohtani collectors (including people in this thread). A sale so low for such a rare card (when rare cards from other products easily break 5-6 figures) makes you wonder, if Clears are truly as desired as you claim, why didn't sell for a lot more than $5.5k? With such a "low" sale, it's quite clear that many Ohtani collectors (including big ones from this thread) passed on it.

i get what youre saying i guess i just see it differently.

remember, this is literally the only card that Stringmusic
is going to own. ONE CARD. hes going to put it in the
safe and move on to whatever else he will be collecting
next.

in 10 years when Ohtani's career is winding down, i would
say that there is a slim chance that Bowman's Best doesnt
even exist anymore. it certainly will not be as popular as
it is now, and now its not all that popular as its an off-brand
chromium (most of the time) release.

But yes, its still a rookie year autograph

Flagship on the other hand..... if in 10 years theres no more
Flagship then the world has probably come to an end.

Flagship started in 1952 and has never stopped. it ties together
all those greats of the past to todays players. Maybe nobody
will care then, but i doubt it.

so when SM brings out that 2018 US1 Clear that is numbered to 10
*i* think it will be a head turner.

*i* think thats a card that the real whales will want to own because
even IF the Best Auto IS "worth more", it will be alot easier to find one,
just pay up for it.

what happens if there are none of the other NINE US1 Clears on the market?

[ThoseBackPages]

some cards over time just dont ever show up

i dont swim in the high end pool that Ohtani commands.
i get this isnt the same thing but i have been looking
for a 2011 Flagship Black Pujols for three years now, and
have yet to find one for sale.