2024 Bowman Draft Checklist

[Trueblue]

I'll give it em - Fanatics has some balls lol

[Bcr]

Monopoly gonna Monopoly.

[itsbaytime]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

Well if you don't dedicate every penny to every release Topps puts out there and are selective on what you purchase, you can easily afford this. But to each their own.

I am pretty sure he means because the value is so bad.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by itsbaytime

I am pretty sure he means because the value is so bad.

You're paying about $145 an auto out of Super Draft and about the same out of TCU Jumbo (Current Retail). I guess it's all bad value. My point is, things can be affordable to a collector if you're selective on what you purchase throughout the year. Don't get me wrong, $520 and $740 for Draft is a little insane but if you're selective in your card purchases, it may not hurt so bad if you're a fan of the product.

[RainCityShecks]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

What were the prices on TCU Jumbos? That's 3 autos in those right?

If I'm gonna take a proverbial bath, my preferred product contains bro's in the MLB.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by RainCityShecks

If I'm gonna take a proverbial bath, my preferred product contains bro's in the MLB.

Exactly! That's your preferred product. Mine is Draft. You can hit on a top 10 prospect auto or get some guys that will never sniff the MLB. On the other hand, you can get some cup of coffee RC's and relief pitcher autos that saw the MLB once and never will again in TCU. It's all a gamble. But it's your preference.

[Funkster]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

I think you’ll be ok if you run a bit late with this one…

lol still up

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by RoyalsCollector

You're not missing much. 99% of the autos you'll be able to buy on ebay in 6 months for under $10.

Couldn't agree more!

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

You're paying about $145 an auto out of Super Draft and about the same out of TCU Jumbo (Current Retail). I guess it's all bad value. My point is, things can be affordable to a collector if you're selective on what you purchase throughout the year. Don't get me wrong, $520 and $740 for Draft is a little insane but if you're selective in your card purchases, it may not hurt so bad if you're a fan of the product.

If everyone has this mentality, prices will never get to something more reasonable (on top of breakers propping up pricing).

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Not using "you" directed at you, but a generalization.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

If everyone has this mentality, prices will never get to something more reasonable (on top of breakers propping up pricing).

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Not using "you" directed at you, but a generalization.

I hear you. If we all just didn't buy anything, we wouldn't have a hobby left. If you like cards and collecting, you have to be wise on your choices and stick to your preferences. Have a plan. We have to face it that these types of prices aren't going away. If you can't beat it, be smart with your card buying. Be selective. Otherwise, yes. Don't buy any Fanatics products.

[thewild3]

Draft used to be so affordable that I would buy cases. Now, I can't even buy a box.

[ptper]

just imagine what sapphire gon be...

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by ptper

just imagine what sapphire gon be...

32 cards 1 auto and a couple parallels. $350-$400 per probably.

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by thewild3

Draft used to be so affordable that I would buy cases. Now, I can't even buy a box.

I bought 5 case of 2011 bowman draft at around $700 a piece. It’s just stupid now.

[JAM061200]

Well Supers are gone! Individuals and cases. It was the better $$ per card value (if you want to call it that) of the 2 formats.

[Osfan81]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

Thanks! So its all ridiculous pricing. I didn't get any TCU and I think they sold out in minutes anyways. But $500 ish for 3 autos of TCU and $520 for the 3 autos out of Draft is all crazy. I understand that you have the possibility to get a MLBer with value out of TCU but you can also hit the next Bobby, Julio or Skenes out of Draft. It's all a pricey gamble. And actually the auto list in TCU is a hell of a lot larger than Draft with 145 vs 97.

Regardless I bought 1 Super cause I'm a fan of Draft. I'm out on TCU though. Got my fill out of Regular Update.

Not in this class...doesn't appear that way anybody. None of the top picks have all that great numbers in the minors. Still early, but so far, it doesn't look like generational talent like Skenes out of this class. With no Brady in here, prices seem a little out of whack.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

32 cards 1 auto and a couple parallels. $350-$400 per probably.

I'd definitely put it between $400-$500

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by thewild3

Draft used to be so affordable that I would buy cases. Now, I can't even buy a box.

Originally Posted by bulljh

I bought 5 case of 2011 bowman draft at around $700 a piece. It’s just stupid now.

I bought cases from 2013-2019 - it was so great. Those days are long gone.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by JAM061200

I hear you. If we all just didn't buy anything, we wouldn't have a hobby left. If you like cards and collecting, you have to be wise on your choices and stick to your preferences. Have a plan. We have to face it that these types of prices aren't going away. If you can't beat it, be smart with your card buying. Be selective. Otherwise, yes. Don't buy any Fanatics products.

This is all false. Nobody has to buy sealed wax or buy into breaks for there to be a hobby. If people didn't buy wax and didn't buy into breaks at these prices they would at some point have to go down.

If Fanatics continues to sell product the way they are now prices are going to go down. It's a small sample size but look at UFC. For years, UFC products sold well with Panini. Once Fanatics got the license back they managed to kill the current UFC market in less than a year. I don't think it will be that fast with football and basketball because everyone will want 1st year everything. But if they continue to set sky high prices on most product and have EQL that is impossible to get for products with better value for customers prices will go down.

The main reason everything skyrocketed in 2020 was because everyone could make money. Everything started going down when it became harder to make money and people left. If with Fanatics selling methods almost no one can make money, it's pretty obvious what will happen next.

If Fanatics decides to run fair auctions for all in demand products that will change. At this time, they have shown they will not do that.

[JAM061200]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

This is all false. Nobody has to buy sealed wax or buy into breaks for there to be a hobby. If people didn't buy wax and didn't buy into breaks at these prices they would at some point have to go down.

If Fanatics continues to sell product the way they are now prices are going to go down. It's a small sample size but look at UFC. For years, UFC products sold well with Panini. Once Fanatics got the license back they managed to kill the current UFC market in less than a year. I don't think it will be that fast with football and basketball because everyone will want 1st year everything. But if they continue to set sky high prices on most product and have EQL that is impossible to get for products with better value for customers prices will go down.

The main reason everything skyrocketed in 2020 was because everyone could make money. Everything started going down when it became harder to make money and people left. If with Fanatics selling methods almost no one can make money, it's pretty obvious what will happen next.

If Fanatics decides to run fair auctions for all in demand products that will change. At this time, they have shown they will not do that.

I never said you HAD TO buy anything. My point is being selective on what you buy. That's all. These prices aren't going down unfortunately. I don't think anything Fanatics has released since it's taken over has started out less or the same as the year prior. It continues to trend north. What do we think 2025 Series 1 will start out? Now 24 Update was Hobby $88 and Jumbo $195. 2025 Series 1 $100 and $225? Maybe.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

This is all false. Nobody has to buy sealed wax or buy into breaks for there to be a hobby. If people didn't buy wax and didn't buy into breaks at these prices they would at some point have to go down.

If Fanatics continues to sell product the way they are now prices are going to go down. It's a small sample size but look at UFC. For years, UFC products sold well with Panini. Once Fanatics got the license back they managed to kill the current UFC market in less than a year. I don't think it will be that fast with football and basketball because everyone will want 1st year everything. But if they continue to set sky high prices on most product and have EQL that is impossible to get for products with better value for customers prices will go down.

The main reason everything skyrocketed in 2020 was because everyone could make money. Everything started going down when it became harder to make money and people left. If with Fanatics selling methods almost no one can make money, it's pretty obvious what will happen next.

If Fanatics decides to run fair auctions for all in demand products that will change. At this time, they have shown they will not do that.

Very true, and unfortunately given their size and diversification, they can afford to sit on endless pallets of unopened wax and only sell at their price. Unless they become cash strapped at some point, there is no motivation to pre-sell Draft for less than $520 a jumbo box.

Case in point, even with the Brady hype - 2023 Draft is listed on BO at $800/box. That is insane. There has to be thousands of unopened boxes of that stuff still in circulation. But they don't care that it's not moving. Don't want to pay their price? They're fine with you not buying it. It sucks, but it's our normal.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by erock28

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Very true, and unfortunately given their size and diversification, they can afford to sit on endless pallets of unopened wax and only sell at their price. Unless they become cash strapped at some point, there is no motivation to pre-sell Draft for less than $520 a jumbo box.

Case in point, even with the Brady hype - 2023 Draft is listed on BO at $800/box. That is insane. There has to be thousands of unopened boxes of that stuff still in circulation. But they don't care that it's not moving. Don't want to pay their price? They're fine with you not buying it. It sucks, but it's our normal.

But who is sitting on the boxes and cases? I don't think it's Fanatics/Topps. They are selling it all to BO and their ilk at discounted prices. The main reason they can sit on it has nothing to do with Fanatics. BO and friends main source of profit the last 5 years is Panini. Not Topps. In fact, it's not even remotely close.

When Fanatics takes over those guys will have to pay significantly more than they have been paying on basketball and football. The average profit margin on Panini football and basketball hobby for BO and friends the last 5 years is unlike anything in history. At least in terms of more expensive, limited, easy to sell products. What happens if the prices they are paying from Fanatics they can't sit on those products anymore? What happens when the profit margin on countless products goes from 200%-1000% what they pay down to 0%-30% and sometimes a loss?

I would be surprised if at some point before Fanatics takes over at least 1 of the big 3 doesn't sell their business. They have 5 years of sales and data showing profits and profit margins that will never come close to being matched or surpassed once Fanatics takes over. I guess they could be more greedy than they already are and try to ride out the 2024 football class, 2025 football class, and the first year of Topps basketball.

[Jaypers]

Looks like it's all sold out. At least I'm no longer seeing it on the site.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by Jaypers

Looks like it's all sold out. At least I'm no longer seeing it on the site.

With Topps it's always sold out until it's magically not. They love playing games to trick customers into the FOMO.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Bcr

With Topps it's always sold out until it's magically not. They love playing games to trick customers into the FOMO.

Yes they only put up a fraction of the print run to create FOMO. Rinse repeat.