If you have not purchased tickets yet - DONT GO

GeorgeP · 07-26-2024, 03:36 PM

If you are planning on going to the NSCC on Saturday and or Sunday and have not purchased a ticket, I suggest not going.

I worked for an organization that puts on trade shows for many years. Organized and or helped put on 100s of conventions both larger and smaller than this one. In my opinion this is by far the most disorganized trade show / venue I have attended. Many people have posted about the details (traffic management, parking, concessions, and more) so no need to cover that part of it. Do not waste your time and money if you have not purchased admission yet. Stay home and go to next years show.

scotthenrichs · 07-26-2024, 03:46 PM

Went today and had zero issues aside from the lack of bathrooms, came in from the west and spent two minutes getting to a free parking spot. Smoother than Chicago ever was, just needed more bathrooms, that was a bit crazy.

Brobocop · 07-26-2024, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeP

If you are planning on going to the NSCC on Saturday and or Sunday and have not purchased a ticket, I suggest not going.

I worked for an organization that puts on trade shows for many years. Organized and or helped put on 100s of conventions both larger and smaller than this one. In my opinion this is by far the most disorganized trade show / venue I have attended. Many people have posted about the details (traffic management, parking, concessions, and more) so no need to cover that part of it. Do not waste your time and money if you have not purchased admission yet. Stay home and go to next years show.

Cool.

PoPCulture · 07-26-2024, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeP

If you are planning on going to the NSCC on Saturday and or Sunday and have not purchased a ticket, I suggest not going.

I worked for an organization that puts on trade shows for many years. Organized and or helped put on 100s of conventions both larger and smaller than this one. In my opinion this is by far the most disorganized trade show / venue I have attended. Many people have posted about the details (traffic management, parking, concessions, and more) so no need to cover that part of it. Do not waste your time and money if you have not purchased admission yet. Stay home and go to next years show.

Ummm…yeah, if this was a bad experience then you might just want to skip next years as well…

GeorgeP · 07-26-2024, 03:57 PM

How on earth did they picked a venue with:

No public transportation
No hotels within walking distance or close at all
Very few shuttles to any hotels
No restaurants close

GeorgeP · 07-26-2024, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PoPCulture

Ummm…yeah, if this was a bad experience then you might just want to skip next years as well…

We have had much better experiences in years past. Glad you had a good time - and yes come in and out of the West Side to save some time.

Brobocop · 07-26-2024, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeP

How on earth did they picked a venue with:

No public transportation
No hotels within walking distance or close at all
Very few shuttles to any hotels
No restaurants close

It's cheap, it's big, it's right next to the airport, and dealers in the past have liked it. This might be the last show in Cleveland but the dealers are the ones with the voices and if they're happy, I'm sure Cleveland will be added again in the next few years.

boxbuster7 · 07-26-2024, 04:03 PM

the entire industry is now a gambling cesspool - that said the national is still the place to go if you want to see amazing cards

GeorgeP · 07-26-2024, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

It's cheap, it's big, it's right next to the airport, and dealers in the past have liked it. This might be the last show in Cleveland but the dealers are the ones with the voices and if they're happy, I'm sure Cleveland will be added again in the next few years.

That is a good point. The dealers are the main customers for the organizers and if they are happy, then it will come back here.

boxbuster7 · 07-26-2024, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by scotthenrichs

Went today and had zero issues aside from the lack of bathrooms, came in from the west and spent two minutes getting to a free parking spot. Smoother than Chicago ever was, just needed more bathrooms, that was a bit crazy.

nabzy28 · 07-26-2024, 04:20 PM

I'm not 'team doom' but, on the other hand, you shouldn't have to guess as to whether or not you're going to need to leave 3 to 4 hours early to be able to navigate parking and entry.

VIP needs, at least, 1 hour early entry, not this 30 minutes of which 15 can easily be wasted just waiting to get on the escalator to enter the floor.

They should have been funneling all the entry traffic through the multiple gates and had shuttles running to the east side, constantly, as an option for those who may not want to walk around. Maybe? I don't know.

The show itself was good. Saw plenty of awesome cards, some really cool stuff at the auction house corporate booths (as always) and was able to quickly check off what I planned and wanted to.

I hit up the Wed. night preview and the first half of Thursday. Got around the show floor, twice and, seeing how it was going by mid day on Thursday, I bailed. Had planned on attending today but decided on just taking off a day early since I managed to get done everything that I wanted to. Not knowing what level of chaos it may or may not be absolutely played a part in that decision.

Basically, I'm kind of indifferent to it because I sort of expected it and planned (guessed) correctly on things that allowed me to miss a lot of what the vast majority got stuck in. The show, itself, was great. They've definitely got to figure out the logistics for attendance of this level, though.

boxbuster7 · 07-26-2024, 04:28 PM

so we got one guy saying the parking was smooth and one saying it is a disaster? Who do I believe?

nabzy28 · 07-26-2024, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

so we got one guy saying the parking was smooth and one saying it is a disaster? Who do I believe?

It was "smooth" for the people that arrived hours early through the east gate and the people who mapped out back/side roads and knew about the west entrance. The other 97% fall into 'it was terrible'.

nabzy28 · 07-26-2024, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

It's cheap, it's big, it's right next to the airport, and dealers in the past have liked it. This might be the last show in Cleveland but the dealers are the ones with the voices and if they're happy, I'm sure Cleveland will be added again in the next few years.

Going in, I was thinking this was probably it for Cleveland. After seeing the sales at some of these tables, I'm thinking they'll want to be back here again for sure.

tkraft24 · 07-26-2024, 04:57 PM

I went today and arrived around 9:00 in the West Lot with zero traffic and parked right away. I hung out in the car with some coffee and conversation for 30 mins or so. I hit up a porta potty on the walk up to the General Admission line. I got in line outside around 9:45 and it started moving a couple minutes later. Once inside, I got in line for the wrist band and made it onto the showroom at 10:01.

No problems here.

OhioLawyerF5 · 07-26-2024, 05:19 PM

I've spent the last 2 days at the show. It has been a wonderful experience. Don't listen to the downers who focus on the negative.

asujbl · 07-26-2024, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeP

How on earth did they picked a venue with:

No public transportation
No hotels within walking distance or close at all
Very few shuttles to any hotels
No restaurants close

My hotel is 4 miles away. How many hotels do you expect to be walking distance when it’s at an “airport” venue

There are plenty of restaurants close. Maybe you’re too fancy for them though

You sound like a very mean old man

And I’m as cynical as they come

asujbl · 07-26-2024, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I've spent the last 2 days at the show. It has been a wonderful experience. Don't listen to the downers who focus on the negative.

Good to hear

People that complain always complain the loudest. The other people just are happy and don’t worry about it

QuinEarlyDoucet · 07-26-2024, 06:02 PM

Sounds like a You problem George

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeP

How on earth did they picked a venue with:

No public transportation
No hotels within walking distance or close at all
Very few shuttles to any hotels
No restaurants close

QuinEarlyDoucet · 07-26-2024, 06:02 PM

Yup. +1

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Originally Posted by asujbl

My hotel is 4 miles away. How many hotels do you expect to be walking distance when it’s at an “airport” venue

There are plenty of restaurants close. Maybe you’re too fancy for them though

You sound like a very mean old man

And I’m as cynical as they come

OhioLawyerF5 · 07-26-2024, 06:10 PM

If you have gone more than one day and are still having parking issues, that's on you. I arrived Wednesday at 3:30. The traffic was a nightmare. I found a better way (approach from the west and use the best gate) by taking 5 minutes Wednesday night on google maps. The next two days were a breeze. If you fight that traffic more than once I don't know what to tell you.

notfast · 07-26-2024, 07:03 PM

The biggest issue is Ohio sucks.

Talk about a boring, blah ass area.

OhioLawyerF5 · 07-26-2024, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by notfast

The biggest issue is Ohio sucks.

Talk about a boring, blah ass area.

Yeah, rock and roll hall of fame and pro football hall of fame nearby are super boring. :rollseyes:

Don't act like you would leave your hotel room anyway.

ThoseBackPages · 07-26-2024, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Good to hear

People that complain always complain the loudest. The other people just are happy and don’t worry about it

and dont post on the internet about it

asujbl · 07-26-2024, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Yeah, rock and roll hall of fame and pro football hall of fame nearby are super boring. :rollseyes:

Don't act like you would leave your hotel room anyway.

My son had a blast today…

B&B sports cards
Browns/Cavs/Tribe team shops
Harry Buffalo lunch
Cleveland Aquarium (amazing)
Two local CLE shirt shops
Melt Bar and Grilled for dinner

I wish we had time for the RR, Canton, and the Great Lakes Science Center

Let alone the parks, zoo, and the beach

07-26-2024, 03:36 PM	#1
GeorgeP Member Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 8	If you have not purchased tickets yet - DONT GO If you are planning on going to the NSCC on Saturday and or Sunday and have not purchased a ticket, I suggest not going. I worked for an organization that puts on trade shows for many years. Organized and or helped put on 100s of conventions both larger and smaller than this one. In my opinion this is by far the most disorganized trade show / venue I have attended. Many people have posted about the details (traffic management, parking, concessions, and more) so no need to cover that part of it. Do not waste your time and money if you have not purchased admission yet. Stay home and go to next years show.

07-26-2024, 04:03 PM	#8
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07-26-2024, 04:20 PM	#11
nabzy28 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: In a warehouse of common sense Posts: 7,279 nabzy28	I'm not 'team doom' but, on the other hand, you shouldn't have to guess as to whether or not you're going to need to leave 3 to 4 hours early to be able to navigate parking and entry. VIP needs, at least, 1 hour early entry, not this 30 minutes of which 15 can easily be wasted just waiting to get on the escalator to enter the floor. They should have been funneling all the entry traffic through the multiple gates and had shuttles running to the east side, constantly, as an option for those who may not want to walk around. Maybe? I don't know. The show itself was good. Saw plenty of awesome cards, some really cool stuff at the auction house corporate booths (as always) and was able to quickly check off what I planned and wanted to. I hit up the Wed. night preview and the first half of Thursday. Got around the show floor, twice and, seeing how it was going by mid day on Thursday, I bailed. Had planned on attending today but decided on just taking off a day early since I managed to get done everything that I wanted to. Not knowing what level of chaos it may or may not be absolutely played a part in that decision. Basically, I'm kind of indifferent to it because I sort of expected it and planned (guessed) correctly on things that allowed me to miss a lot of what the vast majority got stuck in. The show, itself, was great. They've definitely got to figure out the logistics for attendance of this level, though. __________________ Sent from my Danger Hiptop T-Mobile Sidekick in 2002

07-26-2024, 04:28 PM	#12
boxbuster7 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 12,775 boxbuster777	so we got one guy saying the parking was smooth and one saying it is a disaster? Who do I believe? __________________ Psa 9 > psa 10

07-26-2024, 04:57 PM	#15
tkraft24 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 7,034 tkinctown tkraft24	I went today and arrived around 9:00 in the West Lot with zero traffic and parked right away. I hung out in the car with some coffee and conversation for 30 mins or so. I hit up a porta potty on the walk up to the General Admission line. I got in line outside around 9:45 and it started moving a couple minutes later. Once inside, I got in line for the wrist band and made it onto the showroom at 10:01. No problems here. __________________ PC: Cleveland Indians AU, GU, and Refractors Refractor Wants: https://shinycardboard.weebly.com/

07-26-2024, 03:46 PM	#2
scotthenrichs Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,593 henrichs_1 Sah0620	Went today and had zero issues aside from the lack of bathrooms, came in from the west and spent two minutes getting to a free parking spot. Smoother than Chicago ever was, just needed more bathrooms, that was a bit crazy.

07-26-2024, 03:57 PM	#5
GeorgeP Member Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 8	How on earth did they picked a venue with: No public transportation No hotels within walking distance or close at all Very few shuttles to any hotels No restaurants close

07-26-2024, 05:19 PM	#16
OhioLawyerF5 Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 7,112	I've spent the last 2 days at the show. It has been a wonderful experience. Don't listen to the downers who focus on the negative.

07-26-2024, 06:10 PM	#21
OhioLawyerF5 Member Join Date: Feb 2022 Posts: 7,112	If you have gone more than one day and are still having parking issues, that's on you. I arrived Wednesday at 3:30. The traffic was a nightmare. I found a better way (approach from the west and use the best gate) by taking 5 minutes Wednesday night on google maps. The next two days were a breeze. If you fight that traffic more than once I don't know what to tell you.

07-26-2024, 07:03 PM	#22
notfast Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: MD Posts: 4,049	The biggest issue is Ohio sucks. Talk about a boring, blah ass area. __________________ notfast1 on IG.