PWCC Selling Fake-Stamped '97 PMGs on Weekly Auctions

keysersoze3421 · 07-15-2023, 06:43 AM

This has been going on for some time, but the recent inundation of '97 green PMGs on PWCC weekly auctions rings the alarm pretty loudly. Could be fakes up for sale in basketball too, but I haven't even checked.

Here are a few on this week's auction with fake stamps to watch out for:

Ben Coates BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013996944
Tiki Barber PSA 8 - Cert. 49354997
Leonard Russell BGS 8 - Cert. 0012839527
Joey Galloway BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014199079
Kevin Greene BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097570
Dorsey Levens BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014039571
Desmond Howard BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014039575
Daryl Johnston BGS 9 - Cert. 0014677714
Antonio Freeman BGS 9 - Cert. 0008153176
Andre Rison BGS 9 - Cert. 0014039577
Rae Carruth BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012992751

DragonWagon · 07-16-2023, 03:32 PM

All added to the Altered Card Database

keysersoze3421 · 07-16-2023, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

All added to the Altered Card Database

Thanks. Had meant to message you.

Please also add:

Mario Bates BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0015448809
Eddie Kennison BGS 8 - Cert. 0014677715

DragonWagon · 07-17-2023, 03:29 PM

All added to the Altered Card Database. Keep posting them and I will keep adding them!

auburn35 · 07-19-2023, 01:55 PM

PSA has at least acknowledged the grading error and deactivated the Tiki Barber cert. Not surprised but it doesn't appear that Beckett cares.

DragonWagon · 07-19-2023, 02:28 PM

Removed

DragonWagon · 07-19-2023, 02:39 PM

removed

DragonWagon · 07-19-2023, 03:18 PM

keysersoze3421 · 07-19-2023, 08:27 PM

That Freeman BGS 8 is legitimate.

keysersoze3421 · 07-19-2023, 08:28 PM

Here are some others:

Isaac Bruce BGS 7.5 - Cert. 0012971156
Edgar Bennett PSA 7 - Cert. 66765135
Frank Wycheck BGS 9 - Cert. 0010507208
Aaron Hayden BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097575
Bam Morris BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013996943
James Farrior BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012839528
Nilo Silvan BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013638823
Charlie Jones BGS 8 - Cert. 0014331974
Anthony Johnson BGS 8 - Cert. 0015325595
Jason Sehorn PSA 7 - Cert. 63816221
Alex Molden PSA 7 - Cert. 43862828
Quentin Coryatt PSA 7 - Cert. 63674033
Eric Moulds BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012839530
Todd Collins BGS 8 - Cert. 0012839526
Kevin Hardy BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097574
Bobby Engram BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014829824
Bert Emanuel BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012992740
Charles Way BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677713
Mike Tomczak BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677717
Bryan Still BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677712
Brad Johnson BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677710
Tyrus McCloud BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677705
Mel Gray BGS 8 - Cert. 0013574582

keysersoze3421 · 07-19-2023, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Qadry and Turner are legit. Rest are fake.

Derekbauer · 07-19-2023, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by keysersoze3421

Here are some others:

Isaac Bruce BGS 7.5 - Cert. 0012971156
Edgar Bennett PSA 7 - Cert. 66765135
Frank Wycheck BGS 9 - Cert. 0010507208
Aaron Hayden BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097575
Bam Morris BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013996943
James Farrior BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012839528
Nilo Silvan BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013638823
Charlie Jones BGS 8 - Cert. 0014331974
Anthony Johnson BGS 8 - Cert. 0015325595
Jason Sehorn PSA 7 - Cert. 63816221
Alex Molden PSA 7 - Cert. 43862828
Quentin Coryatt PSA 7 - Cert. 63674033
Eric Moulds BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012839530
Todd Collins BGS 8 - Cert. 0012839526
Kevin Hardy BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097574
Bobby Engram BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014829824
Bert Emanuel BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012992740
Charles Way BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677713
Mike Tomczak BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677717
Bryan Still BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677712
Brad Johnson BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677710
Tyrus McCloud BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677705
Mel Gray BGS 8 - Cert. 0013574582

Are you saying the Sehorn is a backdoored one with an added stamp? I know the buyer of that one…

keysersoze3421 · 07-19-2023, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Are you saying the Sehorn is a backdoored one with an added stamp? I know the buyer of that one…

Correct. He's already aware and working it out with PSA.

Derekbauer · 07-19-2023, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by keysersoze3421

Correct. He's already aware and working it out with PSA.

Dang. Hope he can get that resolved easily.

hxcmilkshake · 07-19-2023, 09:19 PM

BGS ya say? Has Joe moved on from Mookie Betts bass cards?

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DragonWagon · 07-20-2023, 12:24 PM

Send me a link for these cards please:

Anthony Johnson BGS 8 - Cert. 0015325595

Mel Gray BGS 8 - Cert. 0013574582

What about these?

Charlie Jones 0014010459 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3793867

Anthony Johnson 0011945444 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3715622

Antonio Freeman 0014677706 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3376913

Thurman Thomas 0012404735 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11585997582...mis&media=COPY

Tiki Barber 75109398 https://www.ebay.com/itm/14515109703...mis&media=COPY

DragonWagon · 08-21-2023, 02:00 PM

Fake 1997 Steve McNair #28 Fleer Metal Precious Metal Gems Green 010/150 BGS 9 cert# 0010507209 just sold for $6,600 on
@PWCC

credit:https://instagram.com/p/CwNM-X4u1wm/?img_index=2

Added to the Altered Card Database

davz13 · 08-22-2023, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Fake 1997 Steve McNair #28 Fleer Metal Precious Metal Gems Green 010/150 BGS 9 cert# 0010507209 just sold for $6,600 on
@PWCC

credit:https://instagram.com/p/CwNM-X4u1wm/?img_index=2

Added to the Altered Card Database

I'm surprised at the grades for the Edges and Corners, as well

keysersoze3421 · 08-23-2023, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Send me a link for these cards please:

Anthony Johnson BGS 8 - Cert. 0015325595

Mel Gray BGS 8 - Cert. 0013574582

What about these?

Charlie Jones 0014010459 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3793867

Anthony Johnson 0011945444 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3715622

Antonio Freeman 0014677706 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3376913

Thurman Thomas 0012404735 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11585997582...mis&media=COPY

Tiki Barber 75109398 https://www.ebay.com/itm/14515109703...mis&media=COPY

Yes, all fake.

keysersoze3421 · 08-23-2023, 09:06 PM

Mel Gray - https://www.ebay.com/itm/185922853632

Anthony Johnson - https://www.ebay.com/itm/125997007074

DragonWagon · 08-24-2023, 06:03 AM

All Added to the Altered Card Database

auburn35 · 09-21-2023, 01:06 AM

Still going, weeks after being notified, it appears PWCC is going to let this one sell.

Interesting to look back at this PWCC sponsored video, discussing this same topic of cutting up uncut sheets and adding fake serial numbers. Not surprising to see, PWCC doing the exact opposite of what was being discussed in the video.

"It is fraudulent... trying to extract value, trying to trick someone"
"We wanted those auctions to end, because we didn't want somebody to go spend a lot of money on something that wasn't what they thought it was."

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiOgf...BiNWFlZA%3D%3D

keysersoze3421 · 09-21-2023, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by auburn35

Still going, weeks after being notified, it appears PWCC is going to let this one sell.

Interesting to look back at this PWCC sponsored video, discussing this same topic of cutting up uncut sheets and adding fake serial numbers. Not surprising to see, PWCC doing the exact opposite of what was being discussed in the video.

"It is fraudulent... trying to extract value, trying to trick someone"
"We wanted those auctions to end, because we didn't want somebody to go spend a lot of money on something that wasn't what they thought it was."

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiOgf...BiNWFlZA%3D%3D

Each time I post that or any other fake green on my story they see it and don't respond.

auburn35 · 09-21-2023, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keysersoze3421

Each time I post that or any other fake green on my story they see it and don't respond.

Not surprised. Thanks for keeping up on these.

RealDocStrange · 09-21-2023, 05:38 PM

Wow on that Marino.
They even did a instagram hype video with one of their influencers (find your trove) for that card.

07-15-2023, 06:43 AM	#1
keysersoze3421 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Decatur, GA Posts: 1,069 zanoo23	PWCC Selling Fake-Stamped '97 PMGs on Weekly Auctions This has been going on for some time, but the recent inundation of '97 green PMGs on PWCC weekly auctions rings the alarm pretty loudly. Could be fakes up for sale in basketball too, but I haven't even checked. Here are a few on this week's auction with fake stamps to watch out for: Ben Coates BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013996944 Tiki Barber PSA 8 - Cert. 49354997 Leonard Russell BGS 8 - Cert. 0012839527 Joey Galloway BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014199079 Kevin Greene BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097570 Dorsey Levens BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014039571 Desmond Howard BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014039575 Daryl Johnston BGS 9 - Cert. 0014677714 Antonio Freeman BGS 9 - Cert. 0008153176 Andre Rison BGS 9 - Cert. 0014039577 Rae Carruth BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012992751 __________________ PC - 90s Patriots, Brett Favre, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Jeff Bagwell, Pedro Martinez IG: zanoo23_sportscards https://www.flickr.com/photos/158811696@N03/albums

07-19-2023, 01:55 PM	#5
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,375	PSA has at least acknowledged the grading error and deactivated the Tiki Barber cert. Not surprised but it doesn't appear that Beckett cares. __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

07-19-2023, 02:28 PM	#6
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	Removed Last edited by DragonWagon; 07-19-2023 at 08:45 PM.

07-19-2023, 02:39 PM	#7
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07-19-2023, 08:27 PM	#9
keysersoze3421 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Decatur, GA Posts: 1,069 zanoo23	That Freeman BGS 8 is legitimate. __________________ PC - 90s Patriots, Brett Favre, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Jeff Bagwell, Pedro Martinez IG: zanoo23_sportscards https://www.flickr.com/photos/158811696@N03/albums

07-16-2023, 03:32 PM	#2
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	All added to the Altered Card Database

07-17-2023, 03:29 PM	#4
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	All added to the Altered Card Database. Keep posting them and I will keep adding them!

07-19-2023, 03:18 PM	#8
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	What about these? Eddie Kennison 0014199081 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3793865 Qadry Ismail 0014199083 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832191 Bryan Bam Morris 0013996943 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832219 Kevin Turner 001399642 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832212 Todd Collins 0012839526 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832190 James Farrior 0012839528 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832222 Antowain Smith 0012839529 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832222 Eric Moulds 0012839530 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3832188

07-19-2023, 08:28 PM	#10
keysersoze3421 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Decatur, GA Posts: 1,069 zanoo23	Here are some others: Isaac Bruce BGS 7.5 - Cert. 0012971156 Edgar Bennett PSA 7 - Cert. 66765135 Frank Wycheck BGS 9 - Cert. 0010507208 Aaron Hayden BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097575 Bam Morris BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013996943 James Farrior BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012839528 Nilo Silvan BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0013638823 Charlie Jones BGS 8 - Cert. 0014331974 Anthony Johnson BGS 8 - Cert. 0015325595 Jason Sehorn PSA 7 - Cert. 63816221 Alex Molden PSA 7 - Cert. 43862828 Quentin Coryatt PSA 7 - Cert. 63674033 Eric Moulds BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012839530 Todd Collins BGS 8 - Cert. 0012839526 Kevin Hardy BGS 9 - Cert. 0012097574 Bobby Engram BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014829824 Bert Emanuel BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0012992740 Charles Way BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677713 Mike Tomczak BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677717 Bryan Still BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677712 Brad Johnson BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677710 Tyrus McCloud BGS 8.5 - Cert. 0014677705 Mel Gray BGS 8 - Cert. 0013574582 __________________ PC - 90s Patriots, Brett Favre, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Jeff Bagwell, Pedro Martinez IG: zanoo23_sportscards https://www.flickr.com/photos/158811696@N03/albums

07-19-2023, 09:19 PM	#15
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,496 hxcmilkshake	BGS ya say? Has Joe moved on from Mookie Betts bass cards? Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

07-20-2023, 12:24 PM	#16
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	Send me a link for these cards please: Anthony Johnson BGS 8 - Cert. 0015325595 Mel Gray BGS 8 - Cert. 0013574582 What about these? Charlie Jones 0014010459 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3793867 Anthony Johnson 0011945444 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3715622 Antonio Freeman 0014677706 https://sales-history.pwccmarketplac.../WEEKLY3376913 Thurman Thomas 0012404735 https://www.ebay.com/itm/11585997582...mis&media=COPY Tiki Barber 75109398 https://www.ebay.com/itm/14515109703...mis&media=COPY Last edited by DragonWagon; 07-20-2023 at 01:38 PM.

08-21-2023, 02:00 PM	#17
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	Fake 1997 Steve McNair #28 Fleer Metal Precious Metal Gems Green 010/150 BGS 9 cert# 0010507209 just sold for $6,600 on @PWCC credit:https://instagram.com/p/CwNM-X4u1wm/?img_index=2 Added to the Altered Card Database

08-23-2023, 09:06 PM	#20
keysersoze3421 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Decatur, GA Posts: 1,069 zanoo23	Mel Gray - https://www.ebay.com/itm/185922853632 Anthony Johnson - https://www.ebay.com/itm/125997007074 __________________ PC - 90s Patriots, Brett Favre, Vlad Guerrero Sr., Jeff Bagwell, Pedro Martinez IG: zanoo23_sportscards https://www.flickr.com/photos/158811696@N03/albums

08-24-2023, 06:03 AM	#21
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 907	All Added to the Altered Card Database

09-21-2023, 01:06 AM	#22
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,375	Still going, weeks after being notified, it appears PWCC is going to let this one sell. Interesting to look back at this PWCC sponsored video, discussing this same topic of cutting up uncut sheets and adding fake serial numbers. Not surprising to see, PWCC doing the exact opposite of what was being discussed in the video. "It is fraudulent... trying to extract value, trying to trick someone" "We wanted those auctions to end, because we didn't want somebody to go spend a lot of money on something that wasn't what they thought it was." https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiOgf...BiNWFlZA%3D%3D __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

09-21-2023, 05:38 PM	#25
RealDocStrange Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: East Bay, California Posts: 1,473 smsDolphins	Wow on that Marino. They even did a instagram hype video with one of their influencers (find your trove) for that card.