Potential Superstars under 23

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 09:02 AM

Do you see any potential Superstars from these next wave of players under 23 both on the court and in the hobby? While I'm fairly new to collecting, I've followed basketball daily and from lurking this board, I know that production doesn't necessarily translate to hobby love. My examples are De'Aaron Fox, Anthony Davis and James Harden who are severely undervalued in the market, while guys like Zion and Ja Morant even Luka are IMO tremendously overpriced.

I'm currently on the Lamelo Ball hype train as I feel he has the highest potential of all players under 23 and with the prices dipping, he's becoming more attractive to prospect. A 6'8 playmaker with amazing court vision and aesthetics are hard to come by but others may disagree. I like Haliburton too but I have a feeling he won't be a hobby relevant in a few more years.

In 3-5 years, if you can pick the 5 players from this group, who do you think has the highest odds to be hobby relevant?

Do you see a Curry or Giannis type (not necessarily the same career trajectory since they have unique skills but a player that blossomed into Superstardom after an underwhelming first few seasons in the league)

Lamelo Ball
Paolo Banchero
Jalen Williams
Tyrese Haliburton
Jalen Green
Cade Cunningham
Franz Wagner
Wembanyama
Scooot Henderson
Franz Wagner
Anthony Edwards
Jaden Ivey
Evan Mobley
Scottie Barnes
Josh Giddey
Alperen Sengun
Jonathan Kuminga
Ben Mathurin
Chet Holmgren
Amen Thompson

Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this. Prospecting for new hobbyists can be hard and confusing when money is involved.

zack88 · 05-04-2023, 09:26 AM

Anthony Edwards
Paolo Banchero
Tyrese Haliburton
Alperen Sengun

Lamelo CANNOT stay healthy apparently.

KhalDrogo · 05-04-2023, 09:28 AM

Hobby superstars? Zero.

NBA is in very rough shape once LeBron and Curry are gone.

Eighty5Hundo · 05-04-2023, 09:38 AM

I like LaMelo. Tyler Herro is 23, him too. They all need to put in massive work to take it to the next level.

sportzluvr1 · 05-04-2023, 09:39 AM

Def not crab Sengun. Guy plays no D per his old coach.

jzx1103 · 05-04-2023, 09:45 AM

None of these guys

Dame · 05-04-2023, 09:49 AM

Lamelo is really nice but worried about his durability. Hope he doesn’t go down the same path as Lonzo, both are fun players to watch.

I like Ant from this group. Eye test tells me Scoot will have an amazing career but the same eye told me Marbury was going to be the 2nd best player of his draft and we all know how that turned out.

Most of these players have undeniable talent but it’s really all about their characteristics and personality that completes the package. A bit of luck also plays a part (injuries) unless
it’s a history or lack of effort (Zion).

BlueXtreme · 05-04-2023, 09:58 AM

For me it’s, Edwards, Giddey and Ball (barring health issues)

zack88 · 05-04-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by zack88

Anthony Edwards
Paolo Banchero
Tyrese Haliburton
Alperen Sengun

Lamelo CANNOT stay healthy apparently.

Oh oops I apparently skipped the 'hobby relevant' part of your post.

I'll stick with Ant and probably remove my other selections.

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zack88

Anthony Edwards
Paolo Banchero
Tyrese Haliburton
Alperen Sengun

Lamelo CANNOT stay healthy apparently.

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Originally Posted by Dame

Lamelo is really nice but worried about his durability. Hope he doesn’t go down the same path as Lonzo, both are fun players to watch.

I like Ant from this group. Eye test tells me Scoot will have an amazing career but the same eye told me Marbury was going to be the 2nd best player of his draft and we all know how that turned out.

Most of these players have undeniable talent but it’s really all about their characteristics and personality that completes the package. A bit of luck also plays a part (injuries) unless
it’s a history or lack of effort (Zion).

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Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

For me it’s, Edwards, Giddey and Ball (barring health issues)

I share the same concern that's why I've only bought a couple of his RC's.

But I think he's worth the risk. None of the players in my list can dictate the flow of the game like he does.

I guess Cunningham is in the same level, if healthy but he's so boring to watch. It's like a taller version of Chauncey Billups.

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zack88

Oh oops I apparently skipped the 'hobby relevant' part of your post.

I'll stick with Ant and probably remove my other selections.

I think your Paolo Banchero pick has potential.

Interesting that many are picking Edwards so far as the guy.

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Hobby superstars? Zero.

NBA is in very rough shape once LeBron and Curry are gone.

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Originally Posted by jzx1103

None of these guys

Really? As in NO one? not even Wembanyama? He seems like a sure thing and is dubbed as the next great one after Zion failed spectacularly as the torch bearer.

zack88 · 05-04-2023, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pmatic

Really? As in NO one? not even Wembanyama? He seems like a sure thing and is dubbed as the next great one after Zion failed spectacularly as the torch bearer.

I worry about the longevity of very tall very skinny guys.

KhalDrogo · 05-04-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pmatic

Really? As in NO one? not even Wembanyama? He seems like a sure thing and is dubbed as the next great one after Zion failed spectacularly as the torch bearer.

Yes really. I wouldn’t even have Wembum in the top 10 of the players you listed.

zack88 · 05-04-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pmatic

I think your Paolo Banchero pick has potential.

Interesting that many are picking Edwards so far as the guy.

I'm bias. I PC him but i also really enjoy watching his development. He also seems to have the personality to go with it.

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Yes really. I wouldn’t even have Wembum in the top 10 of the players you listed.

Ok, don't be a party pooper. Just pick at least 1-2 from the list. Say you have some loose change and can buy a nice PSA 10 RC's, who would you pick? There has to be some player in this list worth the the money.

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by zack88

I worry about the longevity of very tall very skinny guys.

Good point. I'm getting a Yao Ming vibes from here. I think he'll be a productive player but will miss plenty of time since he'll basically play the point forward spot in the league. That's a lot of running up and down at that frame.

KhalDrogo · 05-04-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pmatic

Ok, don't be a party pooper. Just pick at least 1-2 from the list. Say you have some loose change and can buy a nice PSA 10 RC's, who would you pick? There has to be some player in this list worth the the money.

I’m not picking anybody when I don’t see a single hobby superstar on the list. Reality is what it is.

zack88 · 05-04-2023, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’m not picking anybody when I don’t see a single hobby superstar on the list. Reality is what it is.

Why are you so grumpy all the time

pmatic · 05-04-2023, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’m not picking anybody when I don’t see a single hobby superstar on the list. Reality is what it is.

Ok, I'll downgrade just for you. Give me a few that you think will be hobby relevant in this list, not in the same tier of Curry or Giannis but not low enough to be irrelevant like Jimmy Butler or Damian Lillard, how about that?

hauntedcomputer · 05-04-2023, 10:35 AM

On the extreme long chance that one of these guys does anything, I'll buy their cards 5 to 10 years after they retire.

I like Wemby's frame and Giddey's dreamy hair but I wouldn't bet a nickel on them.

hermanotarjeta · 05-04-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pmatic

Really? As in NO one? not even Wembanyama? He seems like a sure thing and is dubbed as the next great one after Zion failed spectacularly as the torch bearer.

I have to agree with the nobody here.

Don’t forget that guys like Lebron and curry come once every ten years.

From 1999-2006, only Lebron.

These guys are special because they come out once a decade.

That “next” hobby superstar is probably still in grade school.

The list is from guys in the last three years, so you can’t force the hobby to have a superstar.

jlawje · 05-04-2023, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Hobby superstars? Zero.

NBA is in very rough shape once LeBron and Curry are gone.

Disagree. It's a power vacuum and it will get filled. Plus we've got another 3-5 years at least.

asujbl · 05-04-2023, 10:41 AM

Darius Garland is better than most of those guys

I don’t care that he’s 23 and not “under 23”

However the answer to Hobby star is none of them

None will be close to a Hobby star

KhalDrogo · 05-04-2023, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by zack88

Why are you so grumpy all the time

See second sentence.

Don’t confuse realism for anger.

Take a step back and look at state of the NBA hobby today and over the last 40 years. There are a grand total of four bonafide hobby superstars during that period. MJ, Kobe, LeBron, and Curry. That’s it. One superstar every 10 years. It is incredibly challenging to reach that status. Giannis might be on his way, but let’s see what happens to his market after this latest playoff failure.

05-04-2023, 09:02 AM	#1
pmatic Banned Join Date: Apr 2023 Posts: 125	Potential Superstars under 23 Do you see any potential Superstars from these next wave of players under 23 both on the court and in the hobby? While I'm fairly new to collecting, I've followed basketball daily and from lurking this board, I know that production doesn't necessarily translate to hobby love. My examples are De'Aaron Fox, Anthony Davis and James Harden who are severely undervalued in the market, while guys like Zion and Ja Morant even Luka are IMO tremendously overpriced. I'm currently on the Lamelo Ball hype train as I feel he has the highest potential of all players under 23 and with the prices dipping, he's becoming more attractive to prospect. A 6'8 playmaker with amazing court vision and aesthetics are hard to come by but others may disagree. I like Haliburton too but I have a feeling he won't be a hobby relevant in a few more years. In 3-5 years, if you can pick the 5 players from this group, who do you think has the highest odds to be hobby relevant? Do you see a Curry or Giannis type (not necessarily the same career trajectory since they have unique skills but a player that blossomed into Superstardom after an underwhelming first few seasons in the league) Lamelo Ball Paolo Banchero Jalen Williams Tyrese Haliburton Jalen Green Cade Cunningham Franz Wagner Wembanyama Scooot Henderson Franz Wagner Anthony Edwards Jaden Ivey Evan Mobley Scottie Barnes Josh Giddey Alperen Sengun Jonathan Kuminga Ben Mathurin Chet Holmgren Amen Thompson Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this. Prospecting for new hobbyists can be hard and confusing when money is involved. Last edited by pmatic; 05-04-2023 at 09:04 AM.

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zack88 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 1,132 ztradingcards	Anthony Edwards Paolo Banchero Tyrese Haliburton Alperen Sengun Lamelo CANNOT stay healthy apparently. __________________ always looking to trade: https://www.flickr.com/photos/192972089@N03/ IG: @ztradingcards

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,301	Hobby superstars? Zero. NBA is in very rough shape once LeBron and Curry are gone. __________________ I love PSA!

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sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,736	Def not crab Sengun. Guy plays no D per his old coach. __________________ PSA 10 is a LIAR……(sometimes)

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Dame Banned Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 3,482	Lamelo is really nice but worried about his durability. Hope he doesn’t go down the same path as Lonzo, both are fun players to watch. I like Ant from this group. Eye test tells me Scoot will have an amazing career but the same eye told me Marbury was going to be the 2nd best player of his draft and we all know how that turned out. Most of these players have undeniable talent but it’s really all about their characteristics and personality that completes the package. A bit of luck also plays a part (injuries) unless it’s a history or lack of effort (Zion). Last edited by Dame; 05-04-2023 at 09:52 AM.

05-04-2023, 09:38 AM	#4
Eighty5Hundo Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Greater Illadelph Area Posts: 220 lcnsportscardsandcollectibles	I like LaMelo. Tyler Herro is 23, him too. They all need to put in massive work to take it to the next level.

05-04-2023, 09:45 AM	#6
jzx1103 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,568	None of these guys

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BlueXtreme Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,981 LostSand	For me it’s, Edwards, Giddey and Ball (barring health issues) __________________ IG - bluextreme_lostsand eBay - LostSand

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hauntedcomputer Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: NC mountains Posts: 1,097 hauntedcomputer	On the extreme long chance that one of these guys does anything, I'll buy their cards 5 to 10 years after they retire. I like Wemby's frame and Giddey's dreamy hair but I wouldn't bet a nickel on them. __________________ +++ The market is always right, even when it's dumb. More cards are overgraded than undergraded. Change my mind.

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asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 63,229 ohiosundevils	Darius Garland is better than most of those guys I don’t care that he’s 23 and not “under 23” However the answer to Hobby star is none of them None will be close to a Hobby star __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”