Sgc multipliers? - Page 2

bounty37h · 01-20-2023, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cltcollector

plain and simple: market will not pay for the SGC slab like it will the PSA slab. I've gotten smoked on SGC 10 sales and won't ever send to them again unless that market reality somehow changes for the better, not to mention I do not personally like their slab and especially their label.

I agree, I don't love the SGC label, but I really hate the PSA labels-my dad used basically that same design on his work file labels in the 1980's so that's what I think of when I see them-so dated. I wonder how much is people that actually like the PSA label vs the psychology of that's what the first accepted ones were so anything else doesn't look right to them?

ThoseBackPages · 01-20-2023, 11:34 AM

the SGC flip (aka label) is fine. the assigned number grade could be a smaller font and the card description font could be larger. putting a cards serial number on there is a nice touch.

its the 1980's cell phone look of the massively sized slab, with that terrible black gasket inside that i dont like.

99% of people dont own tuxedos, they rent them.

hammertime · 01-20-2023, 12:02 PM

The biggest advantage of PSA labels over SGC IMO is that PSA has the cert # on the back as well. If you see scans of the front and back of an SGC slab you have no idea if the back is from another card or what.

Jughead88 · 01-20-2023, 12:48 PM

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge. From my experiences, SGC is a much tougher grade than PSA. I think a SGC 8 would be a PSA 9, easy depending on what you wanted to pay.

Jsquared123 · 01-20-2023, 01:41 PM

In my experience, vintage is a 1-1 ratio. Cards with better eye appeal for the grade tend to be found more in SGC holders IMO.

For modern, I submit to SGC for PC as it's a personal preference. SGC 9.5 are treated as "strong PSA 9s" in the secondary market.

SGC 10 can usually be had at a pretty good discount to PSA 10s.

Archangel1775 · 01-20-2023, 01:45 PM

SGC has passed BGS and catching up to PSA. It's doubtful they will ever surpass them. However, equating an SGC 9.5 to a PSA 8 is probably leaving money on the table.

hammertime · 01-20-2023, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge.

ThoseBackPages · 01-20-2023, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge. From my experiences, SGC is a much tougher grade than PSA. I think a SGC 8 would be a PSA 9, easy depending on what you wanted to pay.

prove it

Archangel1775 · 01-20-2023, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge.

It sounds more like the standard up-charge for cards valued higher after sending it in at a lower rate.Not sure what the 9 was about, did they not send any cards back unholdered or did you make them holder it as a PSA 9(though I would disagree with this)?

pete2345 · 01-20-2023, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge. From my experiences, SGC is a much tougher grade than PSA. I think a SGC 8 would be a PSA 9, easy depending on what you wanted to pay.

Lmao if true

SupermanBrandon · 01-20-2023, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge. From my experiences, SGC is a much tougher grade than PSA. I think a SGC 8 would be a PSA 9, easy depending on what you wanted to pay.

100% lying. They did not email and tell you that if you want a 10, pay $200 more and if not...you'll get a 9.

rfgilles · 01-20-2023, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

prove it

Yeah this doesn't sound legitimate at all.

Jughead88 · 01-20-2023, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

prove it

Not sure how I can. Sorry. It was through a group sub. Apparently it was due to the cards value going up and into another pricing bracket? Say the card was valued at X, the cost was $200. If it were to be a 10, they valued it in a higher price bracket and wanted the price difference. That's all I remember about it. I probably could have done a better job explaining that. My bad.
With SGC, since I don't have anything over $3500 (?) at the moment, all my costs are the same.
Plus, I like the tux look better.

MIRRABB · 01-20-2023, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge. From my experiences, SGC is a much tougher grade than PSA. I think a SGC 8 would be a PSA 9, easy depending on what you wanted to pay.

how great is that!

towerymt · 01-20-2023, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

Not sure how I can. Sorry. It was through a group sub. Apparently it was due to the cards value going up and into another pricing bracket? Say the card was valued at X, the cost was $200. If it were to be a 10, they valued it in a higher price bracket and wanted the price difference. That's all I remember about it. I probably could have done a better job explaining that. My bad.
With SGC, since I don't have anything over $3500 (?) at the moment, all my costs are the same.
Plus, I like the tux look better.

The way you described it is not how PSA upcharges work, which is the reason for the doubt. If you decline the upcharge, the card comes back to you in the state it was sent in. That's why we don't believe it came back graded a 9 because you declined an upcharge fee on what would have been a 10. Also, no logical person would decline a $200 upcharge if their options were PSA-9 for fee paid vs. PSA-10 for fee paid + $200 on a card of that value. It's also not believable that an email from PSA would tell you in those words, if you want it to be a 10, you have to pay the additional fee.

If a 3rd party PSA submitter sent you an email like that, sure, that's possible. But that's not how it actually works with PSA.

Jughead88 · 01-20-2023, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

The way you described it is not how PSA upcharges work, which is the reason for the doubt. If you decline the upcharge, the card comes back to you in the state it was sent in. That's why we don't believe it came back graded a 9 because you declined an upcharge fee on what would have been a 10. Also, no logical person would decline a $200 upcharge if their options were PSA-9 for fee paid vs. PSA-10 for fee paid + $200 on a card of that value. It's also not believable that an email from PSA would tell you in those words, if you want it to be a 10, you have to pay the additional fee.

If a 3rd party PSA submitter sent you an email like that, sure, that's possible. But that's not how it actually works with PSA.

The email I got did come from the sub company. So highly possible. I don't use them any longer. Found a place much closer to home I can drop them off at. Plus now I can follow where my cards are. Either PSA or SGC.

Mister2Bits · 01-20-2023, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

The email I got did come from the sub company. So highly possible.

Your sub-company was trying to rip you off then. They prob had a PSA 10 of the same card and tried to get you. Who was the submitter?

If you decline an upcharge it comes back un-slabbed.

Neal · 03-05-2023, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

Your sub-company was trying to rip you off then. They prob had a PSA 10 of the same card and tried to get you. Who was the submitter?

If you decline an upcharge it comes back un-slabbed.

Correct

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Triple B · 03-06-2023, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead88

Not sure how I can. Sorry. It was through a group sub. Apparently it was due to the cards value going up and into another pricing bracket? Say the card was valued at X, the cost was $200. If it were to be a 10, they valued it in a higher price bracket and wanted the price difference. That's all I remember about it. I probably could have done a better job explaining that. My bad.
With SGC, since I don't have anything over $3500 (?) at the moment, all my costs are the same.
Plus, I like the tux look better.

Sounds like your sub group thinks you're a sucker.

Rookiemadness87 · 03-06-2023, 03:49 PM

Guess you could say this about all but from the modern cards I follow frequently SGC has the looser thresholds for grading IMO.

01-20-2023, 11:34 AM	#27
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,751 ThoseBackPages	the SGC flip (aka label) is fine. the assigned number grade could be a smaller font and the card description font could be larger. putting a cards serial number on there is a nice touch. its the 1980's cell phone look of the massively sized slab, with that terrible black gasket inside that i dont like. 99% of people dont own tuxedos, they rent them. __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 22,043	SGC has passed BGS and catching up to PSA. It's doubtful they will ever surpass them. However, equating an SGC 9.5 to a PSA 8 is probably leaving money on the table. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.* Last edited by Archangel1775; 01-20-2023 at 02:36 PM.

01-20-2023, 12:02 PM	#28
hammertime Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: OH->MI->MD->VA Posts: 7,002	The biggest advantage of PSA labels over SGC IMO is that PSA has the cert # on the back as well. If you see scans of the front and back of an SGC slab you have no idea if the back is from another card or what.

01-20-2023, 12:48 PM	#29
Jughead88 Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Nashville Posts: 36 mm2jughead SIRRYAN	I have sent cards to both PSA and SGC. What changed me, before I ever sent a card to SGC is I got an email from PSA not a few months ago asking me if I wanted to make my card a 10 for an $200. I was already paying $200 for the service, but for an extra $200 it would be a 10. My thought was is it a 10 or not? Well, it came back a 9 cause I didn't pay their surcharge. From my experiences, SGC is a much tougher grade than PSA. I think a SGC 8 would be a PSA 9, easy depending on what you wanted to pay.

01-20-2023, 01:41 PM	#30
Jsquared123 Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,257 Sopranos6666	In my experience, vintage is a 1-1 ratio. Cards with better eye appeal for the grade tend to be found more in SGC holders IMO. For modern, I submit to SGC for PC as it's a personal preference. SGC 9.5 are treated as "strong PSA 9s" in the secondary market. SGC 10 can usually be had at a pretty good discount to PSA 10s.

03-06-2023, 03:49 PM	#45
Rookiemadness87 Member Join Date: Mar 2023 Posts: 4	Guess you could say this about all but from the modern cards I follow frequently SGC has the looser thresholds for grading IMO.