Yordan Alvarez

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I wonder what it could have been!

Yep, the orange gloves. I mean, how great do they look against the blue-and-grey background!


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[tyrith]

So the SCC non-auto super in an SGC 10 slab is going to end well north - at least 40% north - of the equivalent (sticker) auto raw a week earlier. Can't say I expected that.

There have been a ton of 2020 1/1s sold lately and I've won precisely none of them. I'm just not willing to go to the heights necessary for them, I suppose, and I'd rather target super low #'ed vet cards for Yordan and other Astros. Just how it's worked out for me at where his prices are now.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by tyrith

So the SCC non-auto super in an SGC 10 slab is going to end well north - at least 40% north - of the equivalent (sticker) auto raw a week earlier. Can't say I expected that.

There have been a ton of 2020 1/1s sold lately and I've won precisely none of them. I'm just not willing to go to the heights necessary for them, I suppose, and I'd rather target super low #'ed vet cards for Yordan and other Astros. Just how it's worked out for me at where his prices are now.

2500$ is about what I thought the card is worth. Seems like a good deal for both seller and buyer.

The auto seamed like a great deal.

Alot of randomness on who sees it and timing in general. As you said before so few go after them.

We will never see this many 1/1s for sale in such a short period again. That's for sure.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Yep, the orange gloves. I mean, how great do they look against the blue-and-grey background!


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Riiiiiiiight

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

We will never see this many 1/1s for sale in such a short period again. That's for sure.

Four more tonight on Goldin, three of them from 2020. $2,760 for the Diamond Icons diamond relic auto 1/1 seems pretty stout. Plus one of the four Transcendent 1/1s on Ebay today.

And I wonder if we see any pieces from the 12 1/1 lot from two weeks ago resurface individually, or if they all are going to just disappear forever.

[Bambino22]

That group of 1/1s that sold at auction has flipper written all over it. I think you will get some fair shots at those individually in the future.

[Bambino22]

Should I resubmit if I can't find any flaws? Let's assume cost of resubmitting is irrelevant. Also it's a PC card I will not sell.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Should I resubmit if I can't find any flaws? Let's assume cost of resubmitting is irrelevant. Also it's a PC card I will not sell.

I'm in the same boat with my BGS 9.5... thinking about crossing, but it's also PC and will never go anywhere. So with that in mind, does the grade matter other than being a gem queen?

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I'm in the same boat with my BGS 9.5... thinking about crossing, but it's also PC and will never go anywhere. So with that in mind, does the grade matter other than being a gem queen?

The fact that you guys are asking shows it does matter to a certain degree. So crack it/resubmit or cross over and don’t look back. You’ll be more satisfied in the long term for your PC

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Should I resubmit if I can't find any flaws? Let's assume cost of resubmitting is irrelevant. Also it's a PC card I will not sell.

Probably not a good use of funds.

Had you looked at the corners closely, under magnification? The front 'plastic' layer should be a point, and not bent down at the tip. The back 'paper' layer is where I'm not always sure, because the tip may not be perfectly flat due to the way the cards are cut, so identifying damage is not so black and white. The paper shouldn't be folded back, missing at the tip, or frayed. But some degree of not looking perfect may still gem.

Here's a 2020 Bowman Chrome corner on a PSA-10. 18x loupe. This is as good as it gets. The corner is not pressed down at all, either. I can look to see if I have any PSA 9 corners I could photograph for comparison.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

I'm in the same boat with my BGS 9.5... thinking about crossing, but it's also PC and will never go anywhere. So with that in mind, does the grade matter other than being a gem queen?

Is it a BGS 9.375 or a true gem?


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Cardsandcoffee

The fact that you guys are asking shows it does matter to a certain degree. So crack it/resubmit or cross over and don’t look back. You’ll be more satisfied in the long term for your PC

For me, it only matters in terms of uniformity because my other oranges and TC parallels are all PSA.

I'm in no rush, I will probably do it at some point...

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Here's a 2020 Bowman Chrome corner on a PSA-10. 18x loupe. This is as good as it gets.

Wow - I think that’s the most flawless, ideal corner I’ve ever seen on any card


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[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Is it a BGS 9.375 or a true gem?


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True Gem + !

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by tyrith

So the SCC non-auto super in an SGC 10 slab is going to end well north - at least 40% north - of the equivalent (sticker) auto raw a week earlier. Can't say I expected that.

There have been a ton of 2020 1/1s sold lately and I've won precisely none of them. I'm just not willing to go to the heights necessary for them, I suppose, and I'd rather target super low #'ed vet cards for Yordan and other Astros. Just how it's worked out for me at where his prices are now.

I only went to the heights on it because I had 2/4 SCC supers. Now I have 3/4 and I got all 3 in the past month.

I am done buying unless that last super pops up.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by BGeezy

True Gem + !

I just cracked a true gem+ (10 on centering only) that didn't cross, and sent it to PSA. I don't think I would do it except in my case where the auto grade was '9'. And I might want to sell this card at some point, so I feel the cost & risk (low) was worth it.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1451439

Per my experiment above, the '10' surface true gem+ crossed, the other did not with a '9.5' surface grade. I shipped those two just before PSA doubled the price, so at the time I thought it still made sense to try. Now, I don't think I would try crossing a non-10 surface...just crack it out and sub raw.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Probably not a good use of funds.

Had you looked at the corners closely, under magnification? The front 'plastic' layer should be a point, and not bent down at the tip. The back 'paper' layer is where I'm not always sure, because the tip may not be perfectly flat due to the way the cards are cut, so identifying damage is not so black and white. The paper shouldn't be folded back, missing at the tip, or frayed. But some degree of not looking perfect may still gem.

Here's a 2020 Bowman Chrome corner on a PSA-10. 18x loupe. This is as good as it gets. The corner is not pressed down at all, either. I can look to see if I have any PSA 9 corners I could photograph for comparison.

Wow, what a response!

The concern would be it coming back an 8 by accident or getting damaged/lost during shipping.

The cost to submit is irrelevant.

No, I do not look at my cards under magnification. How many people do that before submiting for grading. I'd think less then 1% of cards are inspected under magnification before sent in for grading.

[StateEx]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Wow, what a response!

The concern would be it coming back an 8 by accident or getting damaged/lost during shipping.

For a card like this, where there are so few of them out there, I'd be happy with the 9. Also, while there's a chance they increase the grade, it seems just as likely that something happens in the shipping/handling.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by StateEx

For a card like this, where there are so few of them out there, I'd be happy with the 9. Also, while there's a chance they increase the grade, it seems just as likely that something happens in the shipping/handling.

I'm very happy with the 9. In fact I usually buy 9s for the value.

But I don't want my collection to be devalued unnecessarily. I think the chance of an 8 or damage is very small. I'll resubmit this one for fun and report back.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by regularp

A Red Acuna BCA went for six figures on PWCC. That kinda sale is why I'll continue saying Yordan is undervalued.

A Yordan Topps Chrome gold auto PSA 9 barely topped $400 on Friday. A week ago, a raw Vlad TC green auto went for over $1200.

The Vlad sale is perfectly fine. But it’s telling of Yordan’s (clearly undervalued) market that a well-graded gold would be a third the price.


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[rngrdanny22]

My babies came back 9's, and I'm okay with that!

(I think top-to-bottom centering got them)

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Wow, what a response!

The concern would be it coming back an 8 by accident or getting damaged/lost during shipping.

The cost to submit is irrelevant.

No, I do not look at my cards under magnification. How many people do that before submiting for grading. I'd think less then 1% of cards are inspected under magnification before sent in for grading.

PSA holders are pretty easy and consistent to break open, in my limited experience. But I would not suggest making this your first attempt at doing it.

I think it's a waste of money to try to crack this and sub again. It's probably a 9 for a reason, so I was hinting at doing some closer inspection to see if you can determine why it got a 9. I would say that I could probably see why by just looking at it, but using magnification helps with making a positive determination. If a corner is pressed/pinched a little bit, it may not be obvious except with how the light reflects off it, so an experienced grader may spot it quickly, and a collector may not see it until it's pointed out. That's just the way it is with grading. I had to review a lot of cards, submit a lot of cards, and see the results to find out what is the limit of mint vs. gem mint. And that line is not always fixed....some PSA subs get crushed with 9s and others get high gem rates, and that's part of the risk.

I just checked the pop report and the Yordan Orange refractor only has a 50% gem rate. Five 9s, five 10s. Ten graded total. I'd look for surface issues, lines or scratch marks, as a possible reason for the low gem rate. Gold and Green similar gem rates. Red...0% gem! Four graded, all 9's. Blue, Purple, Prism, Negative, Xfractor all around the 60's % range for gem rate. Pink about 80% gem, Refractor about 70%, base over 78% gem. The lower end stuff is more common, so more easily rejected by graders, while the more rare stuff is sent in if it's borderline "could gem?" That's my theory.

The gem rate for the more rare parallels suggests to me this entire release may have common issues preventing PSA-10s.

Inspecting surfaces under bright light and inspecting corners under magnification should let an experienced submitter determine if a card should gem or not. I think a lot of people either don't do this level of inspection, or are not willing to NOT submit a card when it won't gem, just because it's rare/valuable. It didn't used to matter when PSA-9s were still profitable, but it's bad process.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

My babies came back 9's, and I'm okay with that!

(I think top-to-bottom centering got them)

The only one graded by BGS has a 7.0 centering grade, so they might just all be O/C. NONE HIGHER!

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

A Yordan Topps Chrome gold auto PSA 9 barely topped $400 on Friday. A week ago, a raw Vlad TC green auto went for over $1200.

The Vlad sale is perfectly fine. But it’s telling of Yordan’s (clearly undervalued) market that a well-graded gold would be a third the price.


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That was a steal

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

My babies came back 9's, and I'm okay with that!

(I think top-to-bottom centering got them)

They sure are purdy!