Fernando Tatis Jr Suspended 80 Games

[SupermanBrandon]

If you had "Vietnam War" on your BINGO card for this thread...congratulations!

[GlenSepper]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If you had "Vietnam War" on your BINGO card for this thread...congratulations!

It would seem impossible, but the square was called.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

The Gulf of Tonkin and Fernando Tatis Jr: how the times change the rules of engagement
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[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by 3arod13

Brady Anderson is a perfect example to show what PEDs can do for a player.

Spot on here…his career statistics prove it…guys who get older don’t coincidentally just start hitting bombs. But his transformation was always obvious. Jim Palmer called it before anyone.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by PLAYED4NOTHING

Spot on here…his career statistics prove it…guys who get older don’t coincidentally just start hitting bombs. But his transformation was always obvious. Jim Palmer called it before anyone.

Uhh, except you do. Davey Johnson hit 43 home runs at age 30 after not reaching 20 home runs in any of his previous 5 seasons.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Someone needs to write a thesis on this:

The Gulf of Tonkin and Fernando Tatis Jr: how the times change the rules of engagement.

Shouldn't we be discussing the Padri War? Or maybe the Battle of Derbolin?

[mikejones]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

You're the one comparing murder to PED use, which is an absurd analogy. PEDs actually provide benefits to people. Murder is the by-product of an imperfect world.

The Vietnam war and Iraq war were not acts of self-defense. They were incursions into foreign lands to fight people who were not a direct threat to America.

We just want to help the iraqs and south Africa everywhere like such

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Uhh, except you do. Davey Johnson hit 43 home runs at age 30 after not reaching 20 home runs in any of his previous 5 seasons.

Ok well MOST players don’t average 8 home runs per year their first 9 seasons then hit 50 the following year Lol…yeah not normal.

[51CardDeck]

Steroids can't improve an athletes skill or agility...

[NYRE2PECT]

I am starting to think that this thread is on steroids....or some mushrooms.

Positive for nandrolone.

I think we've come to the point where if he thought he'd done something wrong he would have admitted it. His apology did not provide that. You can tell he wanted to skewer the testing system but he probably couldn't for whatever reason.

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Still waiting for all these alleged fire sales in BST and on eBay…




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Guess everyone’s holding.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by PLAYED4NOTHING

Ok well MOST players don’t average 8 home runs per year their first 9 seasons then hit 50 the following year Lol…yeah not normal.

The Brady Anderson stuff is so simple minded it's ridiculous.

First of all, averaging 8 home runs a year in their first 9 and then hit 50 isn't the correct story of what happened.

His first 4 years, he hit 10 total home runs in part time play.

His next 4 years he his 62 home runs. So there was already a clear power jump. This was 92-95. 92 and 93 were not home run hitting years, and yet Anderson jumped to 21 and 13 (in a slightly injury impacted season). 94 and 95 were huge HR years, and strike shortened, and Anderson hit 12 and 16.

The next year he his an insane 50. This was 1996. It was a full season, and it was the highest home run rate season ever seen in baseball history.

But that's not where the story ends...

Anderson hit 18,18,24, and 19 in the next 4 years. Considering the home run environments were even better in the last two, he actually has 8 very steady HR years, and one tremendous outlier in the middle that's 50. But he wasn't devoid of power.

But if we're going to explain away the hump from 16 to 50 as steroids, what do we explain the drop from 50 to 18 as?

I'm not against saying Anderson did steroids - he was a reported health nut and freely and openly did creatine, which was totally legal at the time.

But if he's doing steroids, and hits 50 bombs, what is he happy with one good year and so he stops and suddenly shrinks back down? The year before his contract is up?

You can point to injuries at various times, I suppose - but Brady remained a consistent hitter through those other years. And in the year he hit 50, dude had appendicitis, missed only 4 games, and hit homers his 2nd and 3rd game back. Health freak.

Anderson may have used steroids - what do I know? - maybe he used them on top of creatine - but it's not the explanation for 50HR. Dude didn't use steroids, hit 50 HR, become a famous superstar celebrity because of it, and then decide to go back to being normal Brady Anderson. That's not a thing people do.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Guess everyone’s holding.

Sunk cost fallacy/commitment bias.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by 51CardDeck

Steroids can't improve an athletes skill or agility...

Ask Barry Bonds


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[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by rman112

Dee Gordon took steroids...

This! You really can't tell who takes PED's when a guy built like a typical high school player flunks a test.

They say taking a PED test and failing it is failing an IQ test with Tatis's behaviour concerning motorbikes and accidents I'm starting to wonder what is going on in his head.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

You're the one comparing murder to PED use, which is an absurd analogy. PEDs actually provide benefits to people. Murder is the by-product of an imperfect world.

The Vietnam war and Iraq war were not acts of self-defense. They were incursions into foreign lands to fight people who were not a direct threat to America.

I'm pretty sure murder has benefitted many many people in the history of people...

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

I'm pretty sure murder has benefitted many many people in the history of people...

Let’s bring it full circle. Do you think committing murder would help Tatis’ card values?

[pip]

Originally Posted by 51CardDeck

Steroids can't improve an athletes skill or agility...

Certain types of PEDs can assist an athlete with just about anything.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

Let’s bring it full circle. Do you think committing murder would help Tatis’ card values?

Sounds like a movie

A man deeply in debt to the mob is tasked to eliminate the source revealing that Tatis has used steroids before they can go public since the mob’s assets are tied up in Tatis cards

[BigL7370]

Originally Posted by Silent George

The Brady Anderson stuff is so simple minded it's ridiculous.

First of all, averaging 8 home runs a year in their first 9 and then hit 50 isn't the correct story of what happened.

His first 4 years, he hit 10 total home runs in part time play.

His next 4 years he his 62 home runs. So there was already a clear power jump. This was 92-95. 92 and 93 were not home run hitting years, and yet Anderson jumped to 21 and 13 (in a slightly injury impacted season). 94 and 95 were huge HR years, and strike shortened, and Anderson hit 12 and 16.

The next year he his an insane 50. This was 1996. It was a full season, and it was the highest home run rate season ever seen in baseball history.

But that's not where the story ends...

Anderson hit 18,18,24, and 19 in the next 4 years. Considering the home run environments were even better in the last two, he actually has 8 very steady HR years, and one tremendous outlier in the middle that's 50. But he wasn't devoid of power.

But if we're going to explain away the hump from 16 to 50 as steroids, what do we explain the drop from 50 to 18 as?

I'm not against saying Anderson did steroids - he was a reported health nut and freely and openly did creatine, which was totally legal at the time.

But if he's doing steroids, and hits 50 bombs, what is he happy with one good year and so he stops and suddenly shrinks back down? The year before his contract is up?

You can point to injuries at various times, I suppose - but Brady remained a consistent hitter through those other years. And in the year he hit 50, dude had appendicitis, missed only 4 games, and hit homers his 2nd and 3rd game back. Health freak.

Anderson may have used steroids - what do I know? - maybe he used them on top of creatine - but it's not the explanation for 50HR. Dude didn't use steroids, hit 50 HR, become a famous superstar celebrity because of it, and then decide to go back to being normal Brady Anderson. That's not a thing people do.

I think what happens here is that PEDS and the supposed use of them can have different effects on the body - 1996 was that career year for Anderson where everything was working for him, not that he could ever expect reach those heights again, even if was doing the same regimen the next season and so forth.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Silent George

Shouldn't we be discussing the Padri War? Or maybe the Battle of Derbolin?

Thought there were 87,000 Stormtroopers being assigned to duty with Lethal Force abilities. The National Bounty Hunters. It takes 3 decades to locate a a mob killer from Philly but make sure you submit that $1.50 you received from a Tatis ripped in half 2nd year card.

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Sounds like a movie

A man deeply in debt to the mob is tasked to eliminate the source revealing that Tatis has used steroids before they can go public since the mob’s assets are tied up in Tatis cards

I’m sorry, this was hilarious

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Thought there were 87,000 Stormtroopers being assigned to duty with Lethal Force abilities. The National Bounty Hunters. It takes 3 decades to locate a a mob killer from Philly but make sure you submit that $1.50 you received from a Tatis ripped in half 2nd year card.

Lol !!

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by Silent George

The Brady Anderson stuff is so simple minded it's ridiculous.

First of all, averaging 8 home runs a year in their first 9 and then hit 50 isn't the correct story of what happened.

His first 4 years, he hit 10 total home runs in part time play.

His next 4 years he his 62 home runs. So there was already a clear power jump. This was 92-95. 92 and 93 were not home run hitting years, and yet Anderson jumped to 21 and 13 (in a slightly injury impacted season). 94 and 95 were huge HR years, and strike shortened, and Anderson hit 12 and 16.

The next year he his an insane 50. This was 1996. It was a full season, and it was the highest home run rate season ever seen in baseball history.

But that's not where the story ends...

Anderson hit 18,18,24, and 19 in the next 4 years. Considering the home run environments were even better in the last two, he actually has 8 very steady HR years, and one tremendous outlier in the middle that's 50. But he wasn't devoid of power.

But if we're going to explain away the hump from 16 to 50 as steroids, what do we explain the drop from 50 to 18 as?

I'm not against saying Anderson did steroids - he was a reported health nut and freely and openly did creatine, which was totally legal at the time.

But if he's doing steroids, and hits 50 bombs, what is he happy with one good year and so he stops and suddenly shrinks back down? The year before his contract is up?

You can point to injuries at various times, I suppose - but Brady remained a consistent hitter through those other years. And in the year he hit 50, dude had appendicitis, missed only 4 games, and hit homers his 2nd and 3rd game back. Health freak.

Anderson may have used steroids - what do I know? - maybe he used them on top of creatine - but it's not the explanation for 50HR. Dude didn't use steroids, hit 50 HR, become a famous superstar celebrity because of it, and then decide to go back to being normal Brady Anderson. That's not a thing people do.

Hey maybe your right that Brady’s big HR season wasn’t a one & done thing. It’s a beautiful story that he had a little pop except Id bet my house & cars w/ Brady on the poly that he took steroids. No question just like all the jacked Texas Rangers as well back then. These guys are busy playing 162-185 games a year working in a craft..not professional weight lifters. You guys have seen HBO specials of Balco Barry right ? You ever see him when he was lifting w/ Victor Conte in the background. Dude was an absolute monster. How many 40 year olds also have a .609 on base percentage? Was he a great player before em ? ABSOLUTELY. But old guys in baseball just don’t better & better w/out juice sorry. Free recovery after a rough workout really has its benefits. I don’t why Tatis took what he did & don’t care. He’s not trying to be the strongest guy in baseball but maybe it’s for a recovery effect IDK but it’s still a shame.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

You’re right, but they did help Brady Anderson, Luis Gonzalez, and a lot of other guys hit 40+ HRs while not being hulks. Tatis is still young, and maybe his hulking would have occurred over the ages 25-28 if he hadn’t been caught, we don’t know. Look at Yelich… he didn’t blow up in the physical sense but he went from really good player to MVP, then after he was accused of roiding he all of the sudden can’t hit a baseball? Seems very Chris Davis…


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Those were pretty much one and done statistical anomaly seasons for both, and both came in their 30's.

I think Yelich is a good example, as the surge came in his mid-20's still within his prime window, and we have a good enough sample size compiled up to that point.

But while players having 1 or 2 extraordinarily good seasons in their career isn't common, it's not impossible. Are we to attribute this to PED's in every sport?

Did Belly juice? What about Soler? Or are some of these guys products of just being 'in the zone'...capturing lightning in a bottle.



The allusions to Tatis' extraordinary weight gain between ages 17-20 are also pretty hilarious. Pretty sure Soto was moonlighting as Alley McBeal on his BCP auto...but Blowout explains that as 'natural growth of developing athletic bodies transitioning from puberty into manhood!'