Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Correct. 85 McGwire is and has always been accepted at the rookie.
Pewe and his circle apparently fell in that minority.

Double post delete sorry.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Correct. 85 McGwire is and has always been accepted at the rookie.
Pewe and his circle apparently fell in that minority.

It does illustrate how full of it Beckett was, but that said it was generally accepted notwithstanding the Team USA uniform. Back then, ML uniform or even being on an ML roster yet were not criteria people yet applied.

[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by pewe

BTW I remind you Eisner was negotiating the sale of Topps to Fanatics “within weeks” of the announcement. And likely had been having conversations before the announcement with Fanatics about other business deals. Eisner wanted nothing to crowbar the deal from getting done for maximum $$. Purposely doing what you insinuate here is pretty much the least likely action imaginable.


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Do you think Eisner is giving his personal approval on checklists for Bowman's Best?

Come on....

Another horrible argument...

[pewe]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

Do you think Eisner is giving his personal approval on checklists for Bowman's Best?

Come on....

Another horrible argument...

If Topps is doing it purposely, then Eisner is on the hook. He’s managing the business. If it’s an oversight of management (his level or below) and had they noticed they would have executed the release differently, then definitionally it’s an UER. Intentional misbehavior of Jr folks doesn’t matter - they don’t get to make the call on what is official.


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[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by pewe

If Topps is doing it purposely, then Eisner is on the hook. He’s managing the business. If it’s an oversight of management (his level or below) and had they noticed they would have executed the release differently, then definitionally it’s an UER. Intentional misbehavior of Jr folks doesn’t matter - they don’t get to make the call on what is official.


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The checklist is official.

It doesn't matter who did it or how it happened. Deal with it.

Your whattaboutism is completely irrelevant. May as well argue about whose farts smell better.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

The checklist is official.

It doesn't matter who did it or how it happened. Deal with it.

Your whattaboutism is completely irrelevant. May as well argue about whose farts smell better.

Exactly! The sooner folks get comfortable that it’s an UER the better. Its still a RC regardless. The longer we let the UER be a concern, the longer the doubts it’s a RC can continue.


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[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by pewe

Enlighten me…

…but I warn you, if your rationale is “I saw something like this when watching business people stab each-other in their back on TV” then it’s clear you are coming without a grounding in how real businesses operate that aspire to go public and/or be purchased for $500MM. Particularly ones managed by business people who care about their personal wealth and ability to find jobs ever again.


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Not at all. My opinion is 100% based on the guy's personality profile. He's the kind of old school power player that populates the top ranks in Hollywood but to the extreme. Eisner was so hated as CEO that his own studio chief famously called him psycho.

A guy like that wouldn't need to lift a finger or even care what goes into a checklist. He snaps his fingers and his assistant's assistants take care of it.

[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by pewe

Exactly! The sooner folks get comfortable that it’s an UER the better. Its still a RC regardless. The longer we let the UER be a concern, the longer the doubts it’s a RC can continue.


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The checklist is the checklist.

These are rookie cards.

Period.

Run around yelling UER-UER-UER. We don't care.

[oldgoldy97]

Will Beckett note the 2022s as UERs? I hadn’t heard this until a few posts ago.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Not at all. My opinion is 100% based on the guy's personality profile. He's the kind of old school power player that populates the top ranks in Hollywood but to the extreme. Eisner was so hated as CEO that his own studio chief famously called him psycho.

A guy like that wouldn't need to lift a finger or even care what goes into a checklist. He snaps his fingers and his assistant's assistants take care of it.

Exactly - they guy is a known micro-manager. And very shrewd when it comes to making $$. He would have understood acutely the importance of completing a deal w/Fanatics cleanly and quickly, with no potential sources of friction (and lost $$).

I’m sure this whole very public BBest issue has ticked him off, as seen by Topps pulling the plug on Bowman Heritage and eating its COGS/destroying it in the month before Fanatics takes over management.

I still hope some Bowman Heritage gets back doored


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

The checklist is the checklist.

These are rookie cards.

Period.

Run around yelling UER-UER-UER. We don't care.

Why would you run around yelling UER??? Put the UER issue to bed. It’s out. The error is not going to be corrected. It’s a RC. And glorious for being one


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Will Beckett note the 2022s as UERs? I hadn’t heard this until a few posts ago.

This is how Beckett addresses it: https://www.beckett.com/news/2022-to...aseball-cards/


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[ThoseBackPages]

The RC predates Beckett Magazine

[Technochocolate]

Honestly at this point, I don't even really mind if collectors want to treat the '22s as RCs, price them accordingly, add them to their PCs accordingly, whatever. Everyone can do whatever they want with their PC and money, it's a free world.

But you can't argue that the '21 BB isn't an RC. It just is. That part you can't take away. And this is from someone who's going to add the '22s to his RC collection but not the '21 BB.

[green4407]

So bb50 crowd, you all let topps tell you what's a RC by how they number cards?

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[Rooftop]

#BB50

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by green4407

So bb50 crowd, you all let topps tell you what's a RC by how they number cards?

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Topps? No

Sets since they started issuing them? Yes

[green4407]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Topps? No



Sets since they started issuing them? Yes

So tbp, if they would have numbered it bbp50 you'd consider it a RC?

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[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by pewe

Exactly - they guy is a known micro-manager. And very shrewd when it comes to making $$. He would have understood acutely the importance of completing a deal w/Fanatics cleanly and quickly, with no potential sources of friction (and lost $$).

I’m sure this whole very public BBest issue has ticked him off, as seen by Topps pulling the plug on Bowman Heritage and eating its COGS/destroying it in the month before Fanatics takes over management.

I still hope some Bowman Heritage gets back doored


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$500 mil for the entire company shared with other investors versus $600 personal payday and continued control of Topps. All thanks to a much younger competitor who just showed the world how irrelevant the old player is.

Nope. No hard feelings at all.

As for Bowman Heritage being unceremoniously scrapped, it was just time to give up the goat. A few hundred mil is better than none. If anything, I think Eisner would be somewhat pleased some collectors figured he's astute enough to quietly give Fanatics the middle finger before heading off into the sunset.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by green4407

So bb50 crowd, you all let topps tell you what's a RC by how they number cards?

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Originally Posted by green4407

So tbp, if they would have numbered it bbp50 you'd consider it a RC?

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I’m dumbfounded how after 165 pages there are still people making these kinds of posts.

[pewe]

Prices are trending up on BB#50… kind of frustrating as I wanted to buy some more. Think I’ve got a market induced pause being thrust on me.

I guess I should be excited series 1 is on the launch pad - will be fun to watch at least… maybe even pick a few up


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by green4407

So tbp, if they would have numbered it bbp50 you'd consider it a RC?

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No, not at all.

from 2015 when Topps brought Bowmans Best back, until 2020 BBest, Topps followed the rules they agreed to.

in 2021 they decided to break the rules

[imbluestreak23]

Can't wait to buy my first (RC)s

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Calling people the "BB50 Bois" is not helping (not calling out you alone--just one of many, many people doing it).

Why can't people just talk like adults? What is with this "BB50 Bois" and "logobois" nonsense? Name calling isn't a valid tactic post-second grade. Maybe even post-first grade.

You’re right. I agree with you. Name calling doesn’t get you anywhere. I’ve just gotten used to saying “BB59 Bois” and “RC Logo Cult” because of what I’ve heard here, but I should use lesser inflammatory terms. I do stand by my main point though: I don’t think anyone who heavily pre-ordered ‘22 S1 is regretting it. Parallels will sell for big bucks. If a seller out there thinks I’m wrong, let me know.

[green4407]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I’m dumbfounded how after 165 pages there are still people making these kinds of posts.

I'm dumbfounded that one letter missing, literally a P on the back of the card makes you consider this a RC and not a prospect card.

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