Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip? - Page 23

MoreToppsPlease · 01-13-2022, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

The incredible wax boom of 2019-2021 made people lose their minds with regard to risk and downside.

Good ol’ greed & fear (of missing out) are great manipulators in alt investments. Neither are good for collecting.

mikecala98 · 01-13-2022, 05:24 PM

I hope this means people open their sealed 1952 Topps boxes just to check!!

pip · 01-13-2022, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianKid

Credit to @PelicanFly, posted this in the LP thread here.

This isn't some great mystery that needs to be unraveled before a complicated authentication process is corrected. As I mentioned in an earlier post, BBCE could have spent an extra 10 seconds using that free barcode scanning app on its phone. Nor should there have been any certainty on the authenticity given the source of the case. Two words come to mind: common and sense.

pip · 01-13-2022, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tgittings

But your implication isn't. LOL

Implication of what? That BBCE received some additional compensation or inducements to authenticate the case? They most certainly did.

mnvikingstwins · 01-13-2022, 05:29 PM

Buy GI Joe now?

dizzydolse · 01-13-2022, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I would think that the majority of intact cases out there are legitimate. Even if he had no idea what he was doing, he’ll get most of them correct. The issue now is that BBCE is now a target for scammers. And it’s the perfect scam because the value is in keeping the case sealed, and you can only confirm it’s fake by opening the case. This is a disaster.

Agreed 100%. This is the worst part about this whole situation. It's a call for all potential scammers to see how easy it is to dupe the "professionals" in this hobby.

tgittings · 01-13-2022, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Implication of what? That BBCE received some additional compensation or inducements to authenticate the case? They most certainly did.

So what you mean is that they received a fee for authenticating the case the same as the fees they received for authenticating every case before this one?

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Steve Hart's (BBCE's) methodology for authenticating ALL cases is flawed. That's the number one takeaway from the "reveal" video. He's too focused on how the label and seals are applied or affixed to the case and not aware of the other, more important attributes. In other words, he's trying to take an authentication short cut based on elements of a case that can most easily be faked. He can't see the forest for the trees and appears to lack common sense in higher pressure situations such as this one. My opinion of BBCE, however, has not changed. I didn't have a high degree of trust in their authentication methods before and I don't have a high degree of trust now. Can they accurate authenticate easy-to-authenticate items? Sure, but so can anyone with a little experience, training and common sense.

There's another very salient flaw that is revealed about the authentication process for both wax/unopened material AND for the grading and authentication of sports/non-sports cards. They (graders & authenticators) tend to ignore provenance. The source of the Pokémon case is one of the worst imaginable. Based on that information alone, NO ONE should have expected the case to be authentic.

Amen.

dizzydolse · 01-13-2022, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Steve Hart's (BBCE's) methodology for authenticating ALL cases is flawed. That's the number one takeaway from the "reveal" video. He's too focused on how the label and seals are applied or affixed to the case and not aware of the other, more important attributes. In other words, he's trying to take an authentication short cut based on elements of a case that can most easily be faked. He can't see the forest for the trees and appears to lack common sense in higher pressure situations such as this one. My opinion of BBCE, however, has not changed. I didn't have a high degree of trust in their authentication methods before and I don't have a high degree of trust now. Can they accurate authenticate easy-to-authenticate items? Sure, but so can anyone with a little experience, training and common sense.

There's another very salient flaw that is revealed about the authentication process for both wax/unopened material AND for the grading and authentication of sports/non-sports cards. They (graders & authenticators) tend to ignore provenance. The source of the Pokémon case is one of the worst imaginable. Based on that information alone, NO ONE should have expected the case to be authentic.

In other words, he's a fraud and his service is worthless.

cardsin47 · 01-13-2022, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

Steve Hart's (BBCE's) They (graders & authenticators) tend to ignore provenance. The source of the Pokémon case is one of the worst imaginable. Based on that information alone, NO ONE should have expected the case to be authentic.

This ^

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 05:41 PM

When will all the BBCE clowns come back to post? They’ve been very silent. Guess there’s not much to say to defend Steve anymore.

dizzydolse · 01-13-2022, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

When will all the BBCE clowns come back to post? They’ve been very silent. Guess there’s not much to say to defend Steve anymore.

That video was so hilariously bad, I don't think they could really come back and say anything and be taken even a little bit seriously.

JRX · 01-13-2022, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzydolse

That video was so hilariously bad, I don't think they could really come back and say anything and be taken even a little bit seriously.

I don't know who any of them are, but I did just watch the video and it was hilarious. I would imagine for a skilled forger, faking a label wouldn't be that hard.

Archangel1775 · 01-13-2022, 05:51 PM

Now that it’s confirmed fake, business can get back to normal while the rich guys fight over each other’s money. People will still submit Pokémon packs to PSA, BBCE will still wrap sports boxes and cases, life goes on.

dizzydolse · 01-13-2022, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Now that it’s confirmed fake, business can get back to normal while the rich guys fight over each other’s money. People will still submit Pokémon packs to PSA, BBCE will still wrap sports boxes and cases, life goes on.

Exactly lol, add this one to the long list of hilarious shady stories within this hobby.

dizzydolse · 01-13-2022, 06:00 PM

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Now that it’s confirmed fake, business can get back to normal while the rich guys fight over each other’s money. People will still submit Pokémon packs to PSA, BBCE will still wrap sports boxes and cases, life goes on.

Hopefully clueless Steve is not authenticating Pokemon packs for PSA anymore.

MIRRABB · 01-13-2022, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Now that it’s confirmed fake, business can get back to normal while the rich guys fight over each other’s money. People will still submit Pokémon packs to PSA, BBCE will still wrap sports boxes and cases, life goes on.

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775
There are only a handful of people in the hobby that I believe are qualified to authenticate vintage unopened boxes and packs. There are only two that I would trust over all of them due to their experience, Steve is one. Additionally, PSA believes the same and built a segment of their business due to his experience and expertise. I'm leaning towards BBCE making a mistake here. It happens and I'm sure BBCE will learn from it.

The thing is, we have seen the supposed "expertise" in that video, and there's really not a whole lot of expertise to be found.

pip · 01-13-2022, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

The thing is, we have seen the supposed "expertise" in that video, and there's really not a whole lot of expertise to be found.

None, to be precise.

GeechQuest · 01-13-2022, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Now that it’s confirmed fake, business can get back to normal while the rich guys fight over each other’s money. People will still submit Pokémon packs to PSA, BBCE will still wrap sports boxes and cases, life goes on.

I’d still trust the majority of BBCE boxes to be legitimate.

I also think it’s fair to say Steve’s opinion isn’t as valid as it once was and his judgment is certainly fair to question.

Guys ask me about things I don’t know all the time. I send them to people who I think are better suited to help them. I’m sure Steve is a nice guy, but people aren’t paying him for his attitude.

SupermanBrandon · 01-13-2022, 06:15 PM

Can Arthur come out and play?

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Can Arthur come out and play?

He’s probably drafting a diatribe on how Steve made an innocent mistake that anyone could have done as well.

cruiserdaddy7 · 01-13-2022, 06:31 PM

Steve says they will re-evaluate the way they authenticate ALL sealed cases. What does that say for what they have already done? Clearly, as confirmed in the video, there is no true expertise to what he does. People assumed he knew what he was doing and he has become the "go to". That should change but likely won't. Should the values of BBCE items take a dip? Absolutely.

imbluestreak23 · 01-13-2022, 06:42 PM

I would still buy BBCE wax, and use them if I had old wax.

Everyone, even the best of the best make mistakes:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1473480

pip · 01-13-2022, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I would still buy BBCE wax, and use them if I had old wax.

Everyone, even the best of the best make mistakes:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1473480

Best of the best?

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cruiserdaddy7 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,573 Cruiserdaddy7	Steve says they will re-evaluate the way they authenticate ALL sealed cases. What does that say for what they have already done? Clearly, as confirmed in the video, there is no true expertise to what he does. People assumed he knew what he was doing and he has become the "go to". That should change but likely won't. Should the values of BBCE items take a dip? Absolutely. __________________ Show me your friends and I'll show you your future.

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