Most Unbreakable Record In Baseball

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

Some of these ......"records" are stretchin' it a wee-bit, no................??!!?? I mean, come on.....................?!! Well since were at it, lemme' add a few more for the hell of it that I'm CERTAIN will never be beat:

The record for shortest ML'er (Eddie Gaedel)

All players (position as well as pitchers) who were called-up/on the ML roster for 1, single day.

Every player who played their entire ML career with one team (includes players who only played for 1, single game.......all the way through to a 20+ year career)

How about records related to performance/statistical output…


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[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Having given the matter a great deal of thought, I think there is one record that is unbreakable:

Most Grand Slams Surrendered in One Inning to One Player.

As I am sure we are aware, Fernando Tatis Sr. hit two grand slams in one inning. That has never been done before. What many people don’t realize is that he hit them both off the same pitcher (Chan Ho Park, I think).

The chances of one pitcher surrendering THREE grand slams to the same player in the same inning…. Will never happen. Someone May break 56 games hitting streak, or Ripken’s record, or even Johnny Vandermeer’s consecutive no hitter streak. But no one will ever top Chan Ho Park. They may tie, but never top.

I watched that game and if I’m not mistaken those were hit from 2 different sides of the plate, but I could be wrong. Which if I’m right makes it even more incredible


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[eye4talent]

I’m surprised to see people saying that career strikeouts is safe. It wasn’t that long ago that Randy Johnson moved into second place, and he didn’t debut until after his 25th birthday.

What if the Big Unit had been more refined at 21 or 22? He would’ve started started his MLB career a few years earlier, which would’ve brought him closer to Ryan’s record. And then maybe he would’ve hung on a little longer to try to break it.

And now strikeout rates are way up. Sure, innings are down, too. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a stud pitcher comes along who eventually builds up to 240 innings a season while striking out upwards from 300.

I’m not saying there’s someone in the league right now who is that guy. But could he come along in 5 or 10 years? I think so. I mean, what if a talent like Hunter Greene or Grayson Rodriguez shows up with a near-bionic arm?


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[Cpdjoe77]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m surprised to see people saying that career strikeouts is safe. It wasn’t that long ago that Randy Johnson moved into second place, and he didn’t debut until after his 25th birthday.

What if the Big Unit had been more refined at 21 or 22? He would’ve started started his MLB career a few years earlier, which would’ve brought him closer to Ryan’s record. And then maybe he would’ve hung on a little longer to try to break it.

And now strikeout rates are way up. Sure, innings are down, too. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a stud pitcher comes along who eventually builds up to 240 innings a season while striking out upwards from 300.

I’m not saying there’s someone in the league right now who is that guy. But could he come along in 5 or 10 years? I think so. I mean, what if a talent like Hunter Greene or Grayson Rodriguez shows up with a near-bionic arm?


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Longevity, these guys are on pitch counts and just don’t last as long, whether it be in games or careers. Nolan Ryan got pulled in the 14th inning of a game facing steve Carlton and was pissed he got pulled. You’ll never see players like they used to make. Or managers/gms/agents willing to put a guy out like they used to do.


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[Gradek]

Originally Posted by Stifle

There was also the rule that a fly ball that would bounce over the fence was counted as a home run before being changed to a ground rule double. How many relievers back in the 60's, 70's would have loved the changes in receiving a save. How many of Henderson's stolen bases would be wiped out because of the defensive indifference rule?

None, because defensive indifference has been a rule since 1920 AND it was called against Rickey (at least once, but likely more).

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/s...l/23score.html

[SupermanBrandon]

Any record that involves playing A-LOT!

Cal
Nolan
Cy
…etc

For the foreseeable future and beyond, guys are being pulled earlier, rested, etc more and more every single year.


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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Any record that involves playing A-LOT!

Cal
Nolan
Cy
…etc

For the foreseeable future and beyond, guys are being pulled earlier, rested, etc more and more every single year.


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And is there proof that all this rest is resulting in better play/longer careers?

[Highlander23]

Forgot about this one....Joel Youngblood's record of playing for two different teams in two different cities on the same day. He is also the only player to get a hit off of two HOF pitchers who were pitching for different teams on the same day.....he played for the Mets in NY against the Cubs and got a hit off of Fergie Jenkins. During the game he was traded to Montreal who was playing later that evening in Philadelphia, so he went to Philadelphia to play for the Expos against the Phillies and got a hit off of Steve Carlton.

Two other players have played for two teams, but they were in a doubleheader against each other and got traded for each other between games. Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote of the Cubs and Cards back in 1922.

Yes, this is one of those "borderline records", but I can't seen anyone ever playing for 3 different teams in 3 different cities in one day!

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

And is there proof that all this rest is resulting in better play/longer careers?

I believe there is proof in the maintaining of elevated fast balls, spin rates, etc for starters. Relievers, I'm not so sure they are not being pampered to the degree starters are. I'm not saying they are expendable pieces but the money is in the starters and therefore they are being handled IMO with more caution.

[seanbros55]

Cy Youngs 749 Complete Games.

No active player will ever sniff 100

[CardboardCombat]

Originally Posted by smanzari

59 wins in a season by Old Hoss Radbourn in 1884

This is why I love discussions like this. Learn something every time.

Radbourn won 60 games in 1884 with an ERA of 1.38. He also won 48 games in 1883 with an ERA of 2.05.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...adboch01.shtml

This is from Wikipedia so take it for what it's worth, but it's still fun.

It is believed that Radbourn was the first person ever photographed giving someone the middle finger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Radbourn

[CardboardCombat]

Originally Posted by Highlander23

Forgot about this one....Joel Youngblood's record of playing for two different teams in two different cities on the same day. He is also the only player to get a hit off of two HOF pitchers who were pitching for different teams on the same day.....he played for the Mets in NY against the Cubs and got a hit off of Fergie Jenkins. During the game he was traded to Montreal who was playing later that evening in Philadelphia, so he went to Philadelphia to play for the Expos against the Phillies and got a hit off of Steve Carlton.

Two other players have played for two teams, but they were in a doubleheader against each other and got traded for each other between games. Max Flack and Cliff Heathcote of the Cubs and Cards back in 1922.

Yes, this is one of those "borderline records", but I can't seen anyone ever playing for 3 different teams in 3 different cities in one day!

No one will ever duplicate that again let alone break it. That's a gem find.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Cy Youngs 749 Complete Games.

No active player will ever sniff 100

A 10 year stretch in completing 535 games, and no, it wasn't Cy Young, it was Pud Galvin. Cry young had a near stretch that took him 14 consecutive seasons to complete 555. In other words, Pud had averaged nearly 15 more complete games per season to reach 535. That is pretty amazing when anyone considers how great for how long Cy Young pitched.

[aro13]

Great thread. Didn't even realize there were so many unbreakable records.

Of all mentioned I think the two that could be obtained would be the two no-hitters in a row and the 56 game hitting streak.

[mfw13]

So....since we've determined that most records are unbreakable given how the game is currently being played, let's flip the question around and discuss which records we think are MOST LIKELY to be broken.

I'd nominate Reggie Jackson's all-time strikeout record of 2597....

Justin Upton, the active leader, is only 3-4 seasons away and still only 33....
Giancarlo Stanton is only 31 and needs roughly another 1000 K's

[CardboardCombat]

Originally Posted by mfw13

So....since we've determined that most records are unbreakable given how the game is currently being played, let's flip the question around and discuss which records we think are MOST LIKELY to be broken.

I'd nominate Reggie Jackson's all-time strikeout record of 2597....

Justin Upton, the active leader, is only 3-4 seasons away and still only 33....
Giancarlo Stanton is only 31 and needs roughly another 1000 K's

Somebody will top K-Rod's single season saves record of 62 in 2008.

[smanzari]

Originally Posted by mfw13

So....since we've determined that most records are unbreakable given how the game is currently being played, let's flip the question around and discuss which records we think are MOST LIKELY to be broken.

I'd nominate Reggie Jackson's all-time strikeout record of 2597....

Justin Upton, the active leader, is only 3-4 seasons away and still only 33....
Giancarlo Stanton is only 31 and needs roughly another 1000 K's

IMO a good bit of Single season hitting records will be obtainable, as there's no way seasons get any shorter over time

[slambam]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I’m surprised to see people saying that career strikeouts is safe. It wasn’t that long ago that Randy Johnson moved into second place, and he didn’t debut until after his 25th birthday.

What if the Big Unit had been more refined at 21 or 22? He would’ve started started his MLB career a few years earlier, which would’ve brought him closer to Ryan’s record. And then maybe he would’ve hung on a little longer to try to break it.

And now strikeout rates are way up. Sure, innings are down, too. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a stud pitcher comes along who eventually builds up to 240 innings a season while striking out upwards from 300.

I’m not saying there’s someone in the league right now who is that guy. But could he come along in 5 or 10 years? I think so. I mean, what if a talent like Hunter Greene or Grayson Rodriguez shows up with a near-bionic arm?


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That's true, but he also pitched until he was 46. How often do guys even pitch into their 40s anymore? Especially now a days where it seems like it's impossible for guys to stay healthy. They throw harder than ever and spin the ball more than ever, elbows and shoulders just don't stand the test of time.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I'd nominate Reggie Jackson's all-time strikeout record of 2597....

Adam Dunn would have annihilated that record, but retired at 34.

I'm convinced this was the primary reason.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Adam Dunn would have annihilated that record, but retired at 34.

I'm convinced this was the primary reason.

No doubt....he was only 200 K's short of Reggie when he retired.

[Giuls21]

So now it's a thread of a bunch of unbreakable streaks. Agreed with many of these points. Ted Williams 84 game on base streak needs to be here as well.

[Stifle]

Originally Posted by Gradek

None, because defensive indifference has been a rule since 1920 AND it was called against Rickey (at least once, but likely more).

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/s...l/23score.html

You should read Jack Curry’s analysis on D’ indifference. He discussed how Rickey was given a D. Indifference by Bill Shannon and the Yankees Public Relations wanted it changed.

It’s a sleepy rule as stated where it was enforced mainly in the 9th inning of big lead games.

As far as strikeout record for a hitter, that will be broken. Reggie Jackson struck out .263 % of his at bats. The current day players are not concerned about striking out. Mike Trout in his first 2997 at bats or at the end of 2016 was averaging .2615% strike outs with 2 MVP’s. A player in today’s game who starts young and plays 20 years has a chance to break that record. Ohtani has 430 at age 23 with a strike out rate of .323% almost a third of the time.

Juston Upton has 1948 SO’s at 33 with a 28 million contract for next season. If he were to have a solid season and receive a longer contract ? 9 seasons of striking out 130 or more times.

[Cards and 401K]

Ohtani's current year Stats....

[Thor34]

Originally Posted by CardboardCombat

This is why I love discussions like this. Learn something every time.

Radbourn won 60 games in 1884 with an ERA of 1.38. He also won 48 games in 1883 with an ERA of 2.05.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...adboch01.shtml

This is from Wikipedia so take it for what it's worth, but it's still fun.

It is believed that Radbourn was the first person ever photographed giving someone the middle finger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Radbourn

There is a great book on Radbourn called Fifty Nine in 84'. One of the best reads to get a true understanding of what he accomplished and baseball as it was in that era.
Highly recommended.

This would be my number 1 answer as well.
A close second would be a 30 win season.
Denny McLain 31-6 in 1968 stands as the last time.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Back in those days a pitcher like Old Hoss Radburn in 1884 put up numbers that even Cy Young would have wanted. 60 wins, 19.4 WAR, started over 70 games and completed nearly all of them, again. Nearly 680 innings pitched.

Modern Day Record from the 40's on -

Hal Newhouser winning 2 consecutive MVP's and then coming in 2nd the year after. Not sure a pitcher in 3 consecutive years will ever come close to that. Example, C. Kershaw is regarded by many to be the greatest regular season pitcher ever had his best stretch with (7), (1), & (10).

Kershaw is not widely regarded as the greatest regular season pitcher ever.