✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[raddocpga]

Well, I thought I overpaid at $200+, but then I watched the game tonight and I think I'm good. Hopefully mint condition at least. You guys talking up the rarity of this card got me going and I really do like the image a lot.

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[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by mfw13

He could be the first player EVER to have both an OPS+ and ERA+ of more than 150 in the same season!

He's going to go 40/20 (or maybe even 50/25) as a hitter and possibly win 10 games as a pitcher.

Just incredible....

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

The only interesting thing now is not if he is going to win MVP, HE IS A LOCK, but will he have a 10/25/50/100/100/100 season and sub 3 ERA.

These are the types of stats you would have read on a reddit fan forum for MLB: The Show where users share their craziest seasons from players they created in dynasty mode or whatever. "Yeah, I made myself throw 100 with 97 stuff and gave myself 99 power and 90 speed. Check out this season!"

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by raddocpga

Well, I thought I overpaid at $200+, but then I watched the game tonight and I think I'm good.

Nothing like a single game to determine whether a card was a good buy or not . But yes it was

[raddocpga]

Oh, and forgot to post this when I introduced myself to the thread a few week back...wish I had put more on the line!

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[majestik101]

Silly me.

At the time I thought I was overpaying when I made an offer of $185

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1463953

[tblood]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I've been posting in this thread since 2018, but the sudden surge of fan boys after a good game doesn't bother me. It's the people that make outlandish, baseless, often racist remarks, then only come back to babble when Ohtani has a tough stretch. Enthusiasts, no matter how sporadic are welcome.

Taking off the objective bystander hat... I agree that positive comments are always welcome. But, a solid portion of those comments are just as ridiculous as the negative ones. Which inevitably leads to more comments and pointless arguments from the negative “I told you he sucked” babblers.

My crotchety old man side is showing, but I am over the seemingly endless hype roller coasters, hot takes and Mount Rushmore comparisons that are everywhere these days.

Speaking specifically about Ohtani... the guy is flat out special. I think it’s wonderful that more people are acknowledging it. Will he be more or less special if he does or doesn’t win MVP this year? Nope. Will any award ultimately determine how incredible his season has been 30-50yrs from now? I don’t think so. It may be a talking point if he doesn’t win. I think his season speaks for itself, though.

Most of the wild projections and best case what-if scenarios seem about as pointless as this rant, so I’m gonna quit yelling at the street youths to get off my lawn and enjoy watching the last inning of our boy Ohtani’s pitching performance tonight.


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[tblood]

Originally Posted by raddocpga

Well, I thought I overpaid at $200+, but then I watched the game tonight and I think I'm good. Hopefully mint condition at least. You guys talking up the rarity of this card got me going and I really do like the image a lot.

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Great pick up!!


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[shootit]

Originally Posted by raddocpga

Oh, and forgot to post this when I introduced myself to the thread a few week back...wish I had put more on the line!

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cashout offer disrespectful lol

[BaseballKing]

Originally Posted by shootit

cashout offer disrespectful lol

It often is. If they had any brains they'd be offering $180 on this ticket. It's in their interests for the punter to cash out. I don't have access to MVP markets on many of my bet sites but he's 1.09 on bet365 which is roughly 10-1 on or 1-10 in the old language. Given how short he is in the betting the cash out should be at least $150. If I had taken that bet I'd be offering $200 to save a $120. Only an idiot would cash out at $75. I guess the bookmaker is still factoring in the possibility of injury. Because that's the only way he will not win it. Probably one of the worst cash out offers I've seen based on the current odds. I'm assuming that cash out was prior to today's pitching/hitting performance. In fact that cash out must be weeks old?

Can't wait to get my Ohtani sub back. Going to sit on most of it. No more Ohtani selling.

[raddocpga]

Originally Posted by BaseballKing

It often is. If they had any brains they'd be offering $180 on this ticket. It's in their interests for the punter to cash out. I don't have access to MVP markets on many of my bet sites but he's 1.09 on bet365 which is roughly 10-1 on or 1-10 in the old language. Given how short he is in the betting the cash out should be at least $150. If I had taken that bet I'd be offering $200 to save a $120. Only an idiot would cash out at $75. I guess the bookmaker is still factoring in the possibility of injury. Because that's the only way he will not win it. Probably one of the worst cash out offers I've seen based on the current odds. I'm assuming that cash out was prior to today's pitching/hitting performance. In fact that cash out must be weeks old?

Can't wait to get my Ohtani sub back. Going to sit on most of it. No more Ohtani selling.

Yes, screenshot is from weeks ago. I am on draft kings and I think they turned off cashout option because he is so short at this point...nobody taking it.

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[slogue2]

Originally Posted by raddocpga

Well, I thought I overpaid at $200+, but then I watched the game tonight and I think I'm good. Hopefully mint condition at least. You guys talking up the rarity of this card got me going and I really do like the image a lot.

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I sold one of those a while back. D'oh! I love that image.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by slogue2

I sold one of those a while back. D'oh! I love that image.

There are. So many Ohtani rookies that are being shown now. That is definitely a nice card. Congrats.

[Spunky245]

Is there euphoria right now based on last night’s stellar performance? Yes, absolutely. But this is more than just hyperbole and Recency Bias. Step back and think about it. Even if the season ended tomorrow, the uniqueness and sheer audacity of a 120 strikeout/40 HR season is a singular sports achievement on par with Wilt’s 100 point game or DiMaggio’s 56 game hitting streak. And it’s a mark likely to be topped only by Ohtani himself.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Spunky245

Is there euphoria right now based on last night’s stellar performance? Yes, absolutely. But this is more than just hyperbole and Recency Bias. Step back and think about it. Even if the season ended tomorrow, the uniqueness and sheer audacity of a 120 strikeout/40 HR season is a singular sports achievement on par with Wilt’s 100 point game or DiMaggio’s 56 game hitting streak. And it’s a mark likely to be topped only by Ohtani himself.

Those of us who have been in this thread for a while have seen ebbs and flows of comments based on his performance, which is normal. His prices are still lagging behind players who have higher prices simply based on analytics and future potential. His prices are still lower then they should be, but stay tuned. The media will soon be all over his run to 61, especially if he gets on a tear and get to 50Hr before the end of the month, which is highly possible. 10 wins seem like a certainty, barring injury.

[jhssketchcards]

I don’t have any high end cards of Ohtani, but I’m curious why his cards aren’t off the charts since his historical stats. The fact one can still buy Topps base RC for $20 or less and Topps Chrome Base for current price is strange. Would think they’d be higher with his amazing year. If Acuna were blushing a relative histrionic season his stuff would be off the charts


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[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I don’t have any high end cards of Ohtani, but I’m curious why his cards aren’t off the charts since his historical stats. The fact one can still buy Topps base RC for $20 or less and Topps Chrome Base for current price is strange. Would think they’d be higher with his amazing year. If Acuna were blushing a relative histrionic season his stuff would be off the charts


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Relative to where they were in March, they are off the charts, but compared to the darlings of MLB, they are still undervalued.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I don’t have any high end cards of Ohtani, but I’m curious why his cards aren’t off the charts since his historical stats. The fact one can still buy Topps base RC for $20 or less and Topps Chrome Base for current price is strange. Would think they’d be higher with his amazing year. If Acuna were blushing a relative histrionic season his stuff would be off the charts


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I don’t track his prices that regularly, but isn’t his high end stuff outpacing the low end?Whether it’s justifiable or not, I think his age/ability to accumulate massive career MLB stats may be holding his prices back a bit vs say a younger Acuna, Tatis etc. whose career stat projections could get nutty with continued production. They have a big MLB head start.

I think that if Ohtani has even a few years resembling this one, he will gain so much fame and notoriety that his career stats won’t be the focus. The focus will be on the fact that he dominated not one, but two areas of the game which is simply unheard of. He’s an “other” to such a degree that comparisons will seem trivial.


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[Rage]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I don’t have any high end cards of Ohtani, but I’m curious why his cards aren’t off the charts since his historical stats. The fact one can still buy Topps base RC for $20 or less and Topps Chrome Base for current price is strange. Would think they’d be higher with his amazing year. If Acuna were blushing a relative histrionic season his stuff would be off the charts


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Too many RCs to choose from for most but they will eventually catch fire

[jerrygarcia]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I don’t have any high end cards of Ohtani, but I’m curious why his cards aren’t off the charts since his historical stats. The fact one can still buy Topps base RC for $20 or less and Topps Chrome Base for current price is strange. Would think they’d be higher with his amazing year. If Acuna were blushing a relative histrionic season his stuff would be off the charts


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I'm just following low end which I have. But prices seem to be about 30% off highs when he was hitting HRs every night. As other said, he's older, so many rookies etc.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by jerrygarcia

I'm just following low end which I have. But prices seem to be about 30% off highs when he was hitting HRs every night. As other said, he's older, so many rookies etc.

I am a low end follower as well. Not smart to send those to PSA at the moment, but I sent 4 RC of him to SGC that only 12 graded and 7 are SGC 10’s. Low pop cards have so much potential until PSA opens lower levels.

Totally cool with these. 1st Chrome

[okumeister]

Topps Now auto coming out today.
I assume the /99 version will be around $350-450 and lower serial number to be even more expensive.
But they will sell out instantly regardless, so if you are okay to spend the big bucks and still want them, be ready.
Will hit the Topps website at anytime randomly after 11:30AM EST.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I don’t have any high end cards of Ohtani, but I’m curious why his cards aren’t off the charts since his historical stats. The fact one can still buy Topps base RC for $20 or less and Topps Chrome Base for current price is strange. Would think they’d be higher with his amazing year. If Acuna were blushing a relative histrionic season his stuff would be off the charts

His base BC Auto is 4k. The only player more expensive is Trout. For non-rookie autos, he's the most expensive period, more than Trout.

To judge his market only by base is silly. There are well over one million Ohtani base rookies. Supply and demand dynamics will always win. If Ohtani had the same number of rookies as Soto, the cheapest would be easily over $100. And Ohtani has 3 different versions that are all considered extremely desirable, S2, Update, and Update RD. There's no other player where the market has basically declared that there are 3 true, desirable rookies. That's going to spread the low-end base money out considerably more

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by BBases31

His base BC Auto is 4k. The only player more expensive is Trout. For non-rookie autos, he's the most expensive period, more than Trout.

There are well over one million Ohtani base rookies. Supply and demand dynamics will always win. And he has 3 different versions that are all considered extremely desirable, S2, Update, and Update RD. There's no other player where the market has basically declared there are 3 true, desirable rookies.

Fair enough, but if they are so desirable, why aren’t the prices higher? Quantity?


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[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by BBases31

His base BC Auto is 4k. The only player more expensive is Trout. For non-rookie autos, he's the most expensive period, more than Trout.

To judge his market only by base is silly. There are well over one million Ohtani base rookies. Supply and demand dynamics will always win. If Ohtani had the same number of rookies as Soto, the cheapest would be easily over $100. And Ohtani has 3 different versions that are all considered extremely desirable, S2, Update, and Update RD. There's no other player where the market has basically declared that there are 3 true, desirable rookies. That's going to spread the low-end base money out considerably more

Not disagreeing with you but there are many people, myself included that don’t play in the autograph market, not that important to me, or in the big end market. I have actually bought 4 Ohtani cards, $60 for the lot, all at SGC. Pulled everything else while chasing the other guys.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Fair enough, but if they are so desirable, why aren’t the prices higher? Quantity?


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Ohtani has way more options, that was his point. Using PSA as a comparison, here are the rookie checklists for the best modern players, according to PSA:

Soto - 18 cards
Tatis - 37 cards
Acuna - 46 cards
Ohtani - 63 cards

There are so many choices for Ohtani...