Will Kevin Durant rookies ever approach Lebron rookies?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I picked up few KD RC's recently for an experiment (KD vs Lebron prices over the next 5 years). I have a feeling Bucks will win the next game and KD's prices will take another hit. How does it affect KD's legacy if Nets lose. What will be the narrative if it happens? Will it be that he can't win without Kyrie and Harden. If Nets win next year, will the narrative be that he won because of Kyrie and Harden?

If KD can’t win at least one title with the Nets, it’s an utter disaster. His narrative will always be the guy who had to join the best team in the league to get his only titles.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

What cards did you buy bro?
To answer, catastrophic. Hope you didn’t leverage the farm

Haha, it's ~40K profit money (40K) from the sale of few LeBron cards so that I have a reference point. I will be glad if-

1. KD's price appreciate better over the next 5 years.

2. If LeBrons cards appreciate more because I still have other Lebron cards.

I am fine if both of them crash because I am cost neutral at this point. Part of me wants nets to win and part of me wants nets to lose. I guess that makes me unbiased

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

What will be the narrative if it happens? Will it be that he can't win without Kyrie and Harden.

The same as the Lebron narrative: He couldn't win without Wade [Finals MVP] and Bosh.

Then he couldn't win without Kyrie and Love.

Then he couldn't win without another top 5 player in Anthony Davis.

The same as Curry couldn't win without 2+ other All-Stars, plus a #1 overall pick, plus lotto picks like Iggy, Livingston, Lee, Barnes and more. Who still couldn't beat a healthy Cavs team.

Shrug. You seem to think the market at large cares about your carefully created 'narratives' about a player, but not anyone else's. When in reality, the card market doesn't care what you think or what I think.

Lebron got a ton of rich LA fans to start collecting his cards when he won there.

Durant will get a ton of rich NYCers to start buying his cards if he wins there.

[KhalDrogo]

People in NYC don’t care about the minor league team in Brooklyn. NYC is about the Knicks. Always has been, always will be.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Haha, it's ~40K profit money (40K) from the sale of few LeBron cards so that I have a reference point. I will be glad if-

1. KD's price appreciate better over the next 5 years.

2. If LeBrons cards appreciate more because I still have other Lebron cards.

I am fine if both of them crash because I am cost neutral at this point. Part of me wants nets to win and part of me wants nets to lose. I guess that makes me unbiased

I hear yah. But yeah, the narrative will be similar to LeBrons.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I hear yah. But yeah, the narrative will be similar to LeBrons.

It would be worse if KD wins two more rings and his prices are still lower than LeBron especially with the same narrative (ring chasing/won because of X). Part of me wants KD to win two more rings

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

It would be worse if KD wins two more rings and his prices are still lower than LeBron especially with the same narrative (ring chasing/won because of X). Part of me wants KD to win two more rings

I don't think anyone really expects KDs values to surpass LeBrons. You can look at this thread as an example. Folks minds are made up. Unfortunately, today, if a narrative is repeated long enough and broadly enough, it usually becomes widely accepted. This is true for sports, politics, sociocultural trends, religious trends, wildly spread conspiracy theories. Humans are incredibly gullible and easily influenced. I say that to state that because it's been "common knowledge" for ~10 years that LeBron is greater than KD, most will continue believing that regardless of what KD does over the next 5 years. Perception is more important that actual reality. It's difficult to change reality when perception has been cemented. It takes lots of overcoming. Having said that, in terms of whose values rise at a faster rate over the next 5 years ASSUMING KD does win 2 more rings while LeBron is shut out, that is indisputable, the answer is obviously KD because more folks perception of KD will in fact change. Not to the level of surpassing KD, but it will change.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I don't think anyone really expects KDs values to surpass LeBrons. You can look at this thread as an example. Folks minds are made up. Unfortunately, today, if a narrative is repeated long enough and broadly enough, it usually becomes widely accepted. This is true for sports, politics, sociocultural trends, religious trends, wildly spread conspiracy theories. Humans are incredibly gullible and easily influenced. I say that to state that because it's been "common knowledge" for ~10 years that LeBron is greater than KD, most will continue believing that regardless of what KD does over the next 5 years. Perception is more important that actual reality. It's difficult to change reality when perception has been cemented. It takes lots of overcoming. Having said that, in terms of whose values rise at a faster rate over the next 5 years ASSUMING KD does win 2 more rings while LeBron is shut out, that is indisputable, the answer is obviously KD because more folks perception of KD will in fact change. Not to the level of surpassing KD, but it will change.

Yes, Long term Lebrons card values > KD card value even if KD wins another two rings. KD will not surpass Lebron in all time points imo.

If KD wins another two rings in the next 5 years, his cards will appreciate better in the next 5 years imo, which is why I purchased few of his cards.

If KD and Lebron do not win any more championships, KD's card prices will take a bigger hit than Lebron's cards imo

[mc1]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

The same as the Lebron narrative: He couldn't win without Wade [Finals MVP] and Bosh.

Then he couldn't win without Kyrie and Love.

Then he couldn't win without another top 5 player in Anthony Davis.

The same as Curry couldn't win without 2+ other All-Stars, plus a #1 overall pick, plus lotto picks like Iggy, Livingston, Lee, Barnes and more. Who still couldn't beat a healthy Cavs team.

Wade couldnt win without Refs Help and Shaq.
Bosh couldnt win without Lebron.
Kyrie couldnt win without Lebron.

Curry won without KD.
KD coudnt win with all-time great Westbrook. Shame.

[tjforce]

[jterp5]

So does KD’s loss today help Lebron’s prices in a roundabout way?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jterp5

So does KD’s loss today help Lebron’s prices in a roundabout way?

help? Idk....

but it shows u how impressive 8 straight finals... even in the East... is.

Great series by KD for sure... but a second round exit is a second round exit.

[jterp5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

help? Idk....

but it shows u how impressive 8 straight finals... even in the East... is.

Great series by KD for sure... but a second round exit is a second round exit.

Yeah exactly, that’s what I was getting at. I agree

[imbluestreak23]

I think the takeaway in 2021 between these two is:
-LeBron loses 1 superstar he sees a 1st round exit
-KD loses 2 superstars and it takes 49 points to make it a 3-2 series, and 48 points in a losing game 7 effort to lose the series

Hopefully history remembers

[jterp5]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I think the takeaway in 2021 between these two is:
-LeBron loses 1 superstar he sees a 1st round exit
-KD loses 2 superstars and it takes 49 points to make it a 3-2 series, and 48 points in a losing game 7 effort to lose the series

Hopefully history remembers

Pretty sure Harden played the last 2 losses. And doubtful. History remembers the rings

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I picked up few KD RC's recently for an experiment (KD vs Lebron prices over the next 5 years). I have a feeling Bucks will win the next game and KD's prices will take another hit. How does it affect KD's legacy if Nets lose. What will be the narrative if it happens? Will it be that he can't win without Kyrie and Harden. If Nets win next year, will the narrative be that he won because of Kyrie and Harden?

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Haha, it's ~40K profit money (40K) from the sale of few LeBron cards so that I have a reference point. I will be glad if-

1. KD's price appreciate better over the next 5 years.

2. If LeBrons cards appreciate more because I still have other Lebron cards.

I am fine if both of them crash because I am cost neutral at this point. Part of me wants nets to win and part of me wants nets to lose. I guess that makes me unbiased

Thanks to KD. Lebron is still trending in the top. Looks like I will be sitting on a paper loss on KD's cards.

[ninjacookies]

2021: No ring?


See ya in LBJ inversterboi purgatory.




Sell the dip.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Thanks to KD. Giannis is still trending in the top. Looks like I will be sitting on a paper loss on KD's cards.

Fixed

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Fixed

LOL, thread got bumped from page 2 with Lebron in the comments and this thread is trending above Giannis thread

Originally Posted by jterp5

So does KD’s loss today help Lebron’s prices in a roundabout way?

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I think the takeaway in 2021 between these two is:
-LeBron loses 1 superstar he sees a 1st round exit
-KD loses 2 superstars and it takes 49 points to make it a 3-2 series, and 48 points in a losing game 7 effort to lose the series

Hopefully history remembers

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

2021: No ring?

See ya in LBJ inversterboi purgatory.

Sell the dip.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I think the takeaway in 2021 between these two is:
-LeBron loses 1 superstar he sees a 1st round exit
-KD loses 2 superstars and it takes 49 points to make it a 3-2 series, and 48 points in a losing game 7 effort to lose the series

Hopefully history remembers

LeBron, 36 years old, lost one superstar (AD). No other superstars on the team.

KD, 32 years old, lost one superstar at a time (Harden for the earlier games and Kyrie for the later games).

Both players faced tough opponents. KD's odds for success was probably higher because he played alongside at least one superstar in each game versus the Bucks (in other words, the series loss is probably worse). But let's just focus on the fact that he balled and the series was entertaining.

[jterp5]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

LOL, thread got bumped from page 2 with Lebron in the comments

PCP, how do you see KD’s playoff exit affecting Lebron’s prices (if at all)?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

LeBron, 36 years old, lost one superstar (AD). No other superstars on the team.

KD, 32 years old, lost one superstar at a time (Harden for the earlier games and Kyrie for the later games).

Both players faced tough opponents. KD's odds for success was probably higher because he played alongside at least one superstar in each game versus the Bucks (in other words, the series loss is probably worse). But let's just focus on the fact that he balled and the series was entertaining.

Harden was a superstar? Yikes!

But yes, no reason to be worried about KD. Only one of the players mentioned in this thread can put on a show like he did this series. Plenty of hardware in KDs future.

[jterp5]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

LeBron, 36 years old, lost one superstar (AD). No other superstars on the team.

KD, 32 years old, lost one superstar at a time (Harden for the earlier games and Kyrie for the later games).

Both players faced tough opponents. KD's odds for success was probably higher because he played alongside at least one superstar in each game versus the Bucks (in other words, the series loss is probably worse). But let's just focus on the fact that he balled and the series was entertaining.

Well said. Also, Lebron played on a bad ankle. Not exactly fair to compare Lebron on one leg vs. ~ 100% Durant

[ninjacookies]

This thread ultimately united LeBrogaine and Annorexic Reaper HODLers in financial despair.

Well done. The kard world needs to come together.

[jterp5]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Harden was a superstar? Yikes!

But yes, no reason to be worried about KD. Only one of the players mentioned in this thread can put on a show like he did this series. Plenty of hardware in KDs future.

Lebron has more rings. History remembers the rings