Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[BH34]

Originally Posted by cnote81

I like that Pardee well enough but I'm not sure why everyone's going nuts over the guy on social media. Someone tell me what I'm missing here.

it's social media.
nuts is the only option.

[TacBacJack]

My theory for Project 70 and Pardee's popularity is that there's a spectrum of "cardness" for P70 cards. It ranges from "pretty much just a normal baseball card with a different border" (Infinite Archives, Undefeated) on one end, to "this isn't a baseball card" (Action Bronson) on the other.

Thus far, Pardee's cards have hit the sweet spot for most people where there's enough "cardness" to be aesthetically pleasing, but also enough "artness" for it to be different.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by BH34

it's social media.
nuts is the only option.

i wish i could give you 10,000 fire mojis for this

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by TacBacJack

My theory for Project 70 and Pardee's popularity is that there's a spectrum of "cardness" for P70 cards. It ranges from "pretty much just a normal baseball card with a different border" (Infinite Archives, Undefeated) on one end, to "this isn't a baseball card" (Action Bronson) on the other.

Thus far, Pardee's cards have hit the sweet spot for most people where there's enough "cardness" to be aesthetically pleasing, but also enough "artness" for it to be different.

I can see that, sure. But ny nico actually announced that pardee "won" project 70. what does that even mean?! I'm torn on actually buying the trout because I think it's going to sell way more than people actually want or need.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by cnote81

I like that Pardee well enough but I'm not sure why everyone's going nuts over the guy on social media. Someone tell me what I'm missing here.

Maybe those are all banned BO poster Yogi's burner accounts?

Also, Pardee is like the art equivalent of highly processed foods like donuts or ice cream. Each element of his cards (baseball, horror, sci fi, comics, GPK, late '80s nostalgia, neon) is good by itself. But, combine them together in a realistic, easily digestible image, then biologically, we haven't evolved to handle so much awesomeness at once and it blows our mind and we want more and more.

The NY Times had an article recently on how addictive ice cream is, but they didn't make the connection to art: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/w...ction-fat.html

[Kek5270]

Side note for those hoping for a Warren Spahn, in looking at Getty images, there may be hope instead for a card in the Sports Illustrated set. Thought this looked like a good pick.

Another side note, the Vides Munson arrived yesterday with chipping/smudges front and back from that thicker black print. Didnt notice it on any P2020 cards, so hopefully just bad luck on this one. But took it as a sign to pass on the Mantle.

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[TacBacJack]

Originally Posted by cnote81

I can see that, sure. But ny nico actually announced that pardee "won" project 70. what does that even mean?! I'm torn on actually buying the trout because I think it's going to sell way more than people actually want or need.

Pardee's sold the most so far, so there's a lot of hype. With the way P70 has been reported on, highest PRs "wins." Like I said, Pardee's style hits the mark for a lot of people, and so i sells well. Therefore, if P70 is purely a PR competition, Pardee's way out in front. But i don't think it has to be that way.

I don't think anyone can "win" project 70 given how many variables there are per artist. It's a bit different from P2020 where it was almost like "who can make the best Jeter?" It's more of a year-long gallery viewing for 51 artists. There's a definite pecking order emerging, but there's a lot of cards left for artists to make their mark.

Also, I wouldn't take social media comments as a judgment of how good a card is. People were sending Action Bronson fire emojis for that nasty "Ricky" Henderson.

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by cnote81

I can see that, sure. But ny nico actually announced that pardee "won" project 70. what does that even mean?! I'm torn on actually buying the trout because I think it's going to sell way more than people actually want or need.

He "won" P70 after 1 card? That's ridiculous. Let's see all 20. For the new artists, I personally like Chuck Styles and Distortedd's first two more than Pardee's. I know I'm in the minority but I don't collect to flip so it makes no difference to me about agreeing with the masses. Also loved OMA's P2020 set. Most here dislike him tremendously.

[dodgersinfinity]

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[cnote81]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

Maybe those are all banned BO poster Yogi's burner accounts?

Also, Pardee is like the art equivalent of highly processed foods like donuts or ice cream. Each element of his cards (baseball, horror, sci fi, comics, GPK, late '80s nostalgia, neon) is good by itself. But, combine them together in a realistic, easily digestible image, then biologically, we haven't evolved to handle so much awesomeness at once and it blows our mind and we want more and more.

The NY Times had an article recently on how addictive ice cream is, but they didn't make the connection to art: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/w...ction-fat.html

You may be onto something here. I do enjoy my media as a slurry.

[Timsterino]

It’s always amusing to me when folks try and figure out why or how other folks like something. There are different seasons for different people. My philosophy is that if you like something then more power to you. I am not going to question why just because it doesn’t match what I believe.

There are people that like artists that overuse photoshop. I certainly don’t understand it but that’s ok because it’s not really for me to understand.

[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by dodgersinfinity

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That’s obviously CES. I guess 1971 Topps is the flavor of the day. I am not even going to mention the team because here they come....

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

He "won" P70 after 1 card? That's ridiculous. Let's see all 20. For the new artists, I personally like Chuck Styles and Distortedd's first two more than Pardee's. I know I'm in the minority but I don't collect to flip so it makes no difference to me about agreeing with the masses. Also loved OMA's P2020 set. Most here dislike him tremendously.

Agreed. I like POSE better as well. Angler fish teeth are going to eventually get old. There isn't enough neon in the world to change that for me.

[dodgersinfinity]

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[JRX]

Right now I'm getting mantle and the trout, but I'm still not sold on a full pardee run.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by cnote81

I can see that, sure. But ny nico actually announced that pardee "won" project 70. what does that even mean?! I'm torn on actually buying the trout because I think it's going to sell way more than people actually want or need.

I think Pardee had one of the best 'round 1' cards for sure, and the trout is a worthy followup (I rank his Acuna higher than his Trout).
Great for him that another artist is conceding to him already, and not saying he wont have the best set at the end of this, but there's still a LONG way to go, not just for him but for the other artists.

If you like the trout, you should buy it.
The few bucks you could save in the aftermarket isn't worth denying yourself the purchase from topps.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by JRX

Right now I'm getting mantle and the trout, but I'm still not sold on a full pardee run.

I guess I'm in the same boat. I'm not saying I don't like his work, just that I don't get the extreme hype surrounding it.

[BH34]

Originally Posted by dodgersinfinity

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OMG.
this made me chuckle, he's gonna do the whole set like this??

[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by BH34

OMG.
this made me chuckle, he's gonna do the whole set like this??

At least it’s a Mike Piazza card as a Met. I give partial credit for that. lol

[Oliroller]

More power to those people who are collecting Jeff Staple. I just don't see it at all. Another Munson and Piazza....yawn.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by BH34

OMG.
this made me chuckle, he's gonna do the whole set like this??

I read that his first 5 cards will be his Subway Series subset, but I don't think they all will be. He'll probably do two more Yankees and one more Met. I'm guessing it'll be Leiter, and I'm crossing my fingers "not Mike Hampton not Mike Hampton not Mike Hampton not Mike Hampton ".

This one, I want to hate, but it's pressing all the right buttons: Piazza as a Met, 1975 design, prominent Mr Met.

[Timsterino]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

This one, I want to hate, but it's pressing all the right buttons: Piazza as a Met, 1975 design, prominent Mr Met.

I had the same response...

[efdot]

Originally Posted by Timsterino

There are people that like artists that overuse photoshop. I certainly don’t understand it but that’s ok because it’s not really for me to understand.

Lending a little clarity here: Photoshop is simply a tool on the toolbelt - for EVERY ARTIST.

Using Photoshop does not define what the art looks like. The misconception is that "photoshopped" artwork like we think about is just collaged/edit photos, but you'd be surprised at who is and isn't using Adobe Photoshop, and how much.

Every artist's process is different and saying it looks "photoshopped" is just silly in 2021 IMO.

I'm passionate about this because I am a physical / digital artist and I use whatever tools I want on any given day, and I never want to let the tool define my style.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

More power to those people who are collecting Jeff Staple. I just don't see it at all. Another Munson and Piazza....yawn.

I just read CES was "Born Robert Michael Provenzano in 1970 in the Bronx (NY) to a middle class family, Ces began writing graffiti in the early 80s"

I imagine that if you were growing up in the Bronx in the late '70s, Munson is El Hombre. I like the card. It's not as amusing but better composed than his Yelich card.

My only problem with it is that I need a BIG rookie gold cup on my 1971 Munsons. That gold cup is a phallic symbol. Whip it out and make it LARGE.

[Cardsfan79]