Why is Jo Adell considered a top prospect?

[wcardguy]

Originally Posted by Stech36

Mike Trout at... wow 19 = 9 BB vs. 30 K in 135 PA.

Good lord, I forgot how Young Trout was in 2011

And, his .220 BA came with a .247 BABIP despite his speed. If he was up in the .300-.310 range you would at least expect for a fast dude (Trout's career BABIP is .346), he would have looked like the uber-stud he was.

[bustsomewax]

It's such a shame Tim Salmon and Mike Trout never played a year together.

[premium1981]

I thought it was amusing last night during the Topps Rip party when Ken Goldins son (6 or 7 years old?) pulled a Jo Adell and said something along the lines of "Great player.....well actually he's not a great player".

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by BigL7370

I’ll be laughing when Adell is posting all-star numbers and this thread gets necro bumped.

Feel free to bump, and I will eat crow like a man. But I have a pretty strong track record of going with my gut and being correct. I had a mob with pitchforks coming after me a couple of years ago when I said I thought Bo Bichette would have a better MLB career than Vladdy. And I think Vladdy was hitting around .400 at the time.

I could very well be wrong about Adell, but he just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. I think the first reply to the thread was a mention about his SP Chrome auto. There is no concrete way of knowing, but you wonder how things like that can unintentionally change the way someone views a prospect. He gets talked about more, value seems really high compared to others, etc. Most people do not do their own research, they just blindly follow the crowd. I am not a fan of doing that myself.

[WizardofOz1982]

Originally Posted by wcardguy

I always have felt that Adell is significantly overhyped. That being said he's still young (by traditional measures, not the uber-young standard we've become spoiled by in recent years), and has a chance to become a solid player. I think that's his ceiling though. Swing and miss issues are death for the vast majority of players.

Swing and miss issues? Dude has a below 25% K rate in the minors any time he's gotten more than 150 at bats (when K% stabilizes) at a level. I'm not that hyped on him either but swing and miss issues wouldn't be my concern here.

[WizardofOz1982]

Originally Posted by BigL7370

Eddie Rosario type...I was thinking Rondell White, but he maybe too old for anyone to remember from the 1990s.

Rondell White was a 4 win player at his peak. 85% of top 10 prospects don't get to that level. I'd have to think the Angels would be thrilled with that result.

[doowopbruce]

He's gotta show he can hit at AAA before I would get too excited.

[JWBlue]

After reading scouting reports Adell's ceiling is best player in baseball. Low probability though.

[BigL7370]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Feel free to bump, and I will eat crow like a man. But I have a pretty strong track record of going with my gut and being correct. I had a mob with pitchforks coming after me a couple of years ago when I said I thought Bo Bichette would have a better MLB career than Vladdy. And I think Vladdy was hitting around .400 at the time.

I could very well be wrong about Adell, but he just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. I think the first reply to the thread was a mention about his SP Chrome auto. There is no concrete way of knowing, but you wonder how things like that can unintentionally change the way someone views a prospect. He gets talked about more, value seems really high compared to others, etc. Most people do not do their own research, they just blindly follow the crowd. I am not a fan of doing that myself.

Fair enough.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Feel free to bump, and I will eat crow like a man. But I have a pretty strong track record of going with my gut and being correct. I had a mob with pitchforks coming after me a couple of years ago when I said I thought Bo Bichette would have a better MLB career than Vladdy. And I think Vladdy was hitting around .400 at the time.

I could very well be wrong about Adell, but he just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. I think the first reply to the thread was a mention about his SP Chrome auto. There is no concrete way of knowing, but you wonder how things like that can unintentionally change the way someone views a prospect. He gets talked about more, value seems really high compared to others, etc. Most people do not do their own research, they just blindly follow the crowd. I am not a fan of doing that myself.

They are in their infancy of MLB careers. I'm -->guessing<-- Bichette will be the more valuable player but I would never supplement my Adell argument with that at this point. Adell will likely never meet expectations. Most don't. Smart money is on 99% of prospects having a very pedestrian MLB career.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

After reading scouting reports Adell's ceiling is best player in baseball. Low probability though.

Epic troll or drunk?

[ALBASKETBALL]

Thank OP for starting this thread. My remaining Adell cards that have been sitting on Ebay for 10 months have sold.

Onto the next prospect!!!

[speedyjg13]

The tide has turned on Adell. Huge halo fan here but on to the next prospect, Brandon Marsh

[tb3nn3tt]

He's super athletic - strong, fast, good arm - and his minor league translations aren't bad for a guy that's always young for his level:

2018: 261/312/431
2019: 258/316/389

Depending on how much he can improve his contact level - and how his body fills out - I see him ending up somewhere between the Upton brothers, production-wise:

BJ-peak: 255/340/430, 20 HR, 40 SB, 3.0 WAR
Justin-peak: 270/350/480, 30 HR, 15 SB, 3.5 WAR

[biggieruth]

Originally Posted by AnthonyCorona

Any prospect rankings is just an opinion. All the rankings are pretty funny. A bunch of guys who couldn’t make it professionally breaking down high schoolers hit tools.


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So who do Major League teams use for your information . I have question what do you know besides collecting little men on cardboard and making a profit.

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[AnthonyCorona]

Originally Posted by biggieruth

So who do Major League teams use for your information . I have question what do you know besides collecting little men on cardboard and making a profit.

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I never claimed to know anymore than anyone. I don’t know what your point was but go off


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[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Feel free to bump, and I will eat crow like a man. But I have a pretty strong track record of going with my gut and being correct. I had a mob with pitchforks coming after me a couple of years ago when I said I thought Bo Bichette would have a better MLB career than Vladdy. And I think Vladdy was hitting around .400 at the time.

I could very well be wrong about Adell, but he just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. I think the first reply to the thread was a mention about his SP Chrome auto. There is no concrete way of knowing, but you wonder how things like that can unintentionally change the way someone views a prospect. He gets talked about more, value seems really high compared to others, etc. Most people do not do their own research, they just blindly follow the crowd. I am not a fan of doing that myself.

I'm working on how much of an impact this actually has. Adell will really be the first I can really test, so it will be at least 18 months before I know anything.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

After reading scouting reports Adell's ceiling is best player in baseball. Low probability though.

i have an impressive knack for being optimistic about players that everybody else hates ( see my unfortunate purchase of 22k worth of aristides aquino cards as an example ) and even i can see that this guy doesnt have the goods. run for the hills

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by Skeely

i have an impressive knack for being optimistic about players that everybody else hates ( see my unfortunate purchase of 22k worth of aristides aquino cards as an example ) and even i can see that this guy doesnt have the goods. run for the hills

22k on Aquino Cards

Damn son, you must be rollin in it I respect the flex

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

22k on Aquino Cards

Damn son, you must be rollin in it I respect the flex

lol definitely not a flex. managed to get out unscathed (due to some dumb luck and the fact that everybody is a genius in a bull market) except for my reputation lmao. turns out when you pump up a dud consistently for six months you lose some respect. rightfully so too.

[PumpnDumpling]

Originally Posted by Skeely

lol definitely not a flex. managed to get out unscathed (due to some dumb luck and the fact that everybody is a genius in a bull market) except for my reputation lmao. turns out when you pump up a dud consistently for six months you lose some respect. rightfully so too.

My definition/understanding of the term "flex" is essentially show and tell, whether shame is attached to it or not

So you bought 22 thousand dollars worth of Aristides Aquino baseball cards and were pumping him all the while like he was gonna be the next big thing.

By pumping, you mean you were talking him up as to convince others to buy in, so as to raise the price of said you cards you were buying or had already bought?

You were at some point able to sell all the 22 thousand dollars worth of Aquino cards and did not take a loss.

If true, i would say the pump may have saved your bottom, but how many bought Aquino cards due to the pontificating of a rando on a message board ?

Bonus Question; what was your reputation like before ?

[LCM1223]

You woulda thought he came out the gate like Puig given his 2021 S1 asking prices

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

My definition/understanding of the term "flex" is essentially show and tell, whether shame is attached to it or not

So you bought 22 thousand dollars worth of Aristides Aquino baseball cards and were pumping him all the while like he was gonna be the next big thing.

By pumping, you mean you were talking him up as to convince others to buy in, so as to raise the price of said you cards you were buying or had already bought?

You were at some point able to sell all the 22 thousand dollars worth of Aquino cards and did not take a loss.

If true, i would say the pump may have saved your bottom, but how many bought Aquino cards due to the pontificating of a rando on a message board ?

Bonus Question; what was your reputation like before ?

Answer: Not many im sure. I dont think i made significant impact on the marker whatsoever as i never had and never will have enough sway to move a market for any player. Very few do. I just mean i legitimately thought he was going to be good and was not shy about that opinion. Id like to think my reputation was that of being pretty knowledgeable before hand lol. Got to remember i was bullish on him with friends i knew in person for longer than i have been on blowout tho too so there was an impact there as well. Moral of the story dont consistently back the wrong player lol

As far as getting out without a loss blowout is definitely to thank for that. It took a while but some people made some very good points and if i would have waited even a few weeks longer to sell it all (i sold right when he got his mid year call up to the bigs) i would have taken a loss and most likely a significant one. I consistently admit that i got out on pure dumb luck. Anyways. im not going to clog up the jo adell thread anymore with this as it really wasnt my original intention to do so. I just was making the point that i have quite the optimistic side and even i dont think he will make it.

[Skeely]

Originally Posted by LCM1223

You woulda thought he came out the gate like Puig given his 2021 S1 asking prices

Agreed. Apparently some people are liking adell though cause there has been some sales at those high prices.

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by Skeely

Agreed. Apparently some people are liking adell though cause there has been some sales at those high prices.

People buying because they don't know better and hope he turns it around. Each level Adell moves up in the organization, he gets worse.

Maddon already said he will start 2021 in the minors.

Angels already got Dexter Fowler for RF.

If the Angels are smart, they trade Adell while his stock is "high" for some pitching.