2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Ianhatcher]

Originally Posted by Boo

Riots in Baltimore tonight? Police shooting, police in unmarked car, suspect pulls up along side and opens fire. Police shoot back killing suspect.

Great...well at least they always seem to riot in the East and West of Baltimore and hurt their own neighbors and I live in the South so hopefully they don't decide to trash somewhere else in the city for once.

[Fratboy]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/arkan...b66009569c0d85

Because the president's words have real meaning and matter.

The best part of this story is the fact that he said all of this on Parler, the far-right's new safe space. Since his posts and account were deleted on that site, will the right-wingers now need to move to an even safer space?

Amazing the depths, of a Trump Sycophant/QAnnon cultists madness...

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I know!!!

BDS starting to rear it's ugly head.


on to 2024!!!

With me? Y'all trying way too hard to project feelings onto some of us conservatives. I'm having a great day

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by cnewby

With me? Y'all trying way too hard to project feelings onto some of us conservatives. I'm having a great day

No not you.

Though you did disappear for about 3-4 days. Glad you are back!



Couchnip has disappeared.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

No not you.

Though you did disappear for about 3-4 days. Glad you are back!



Couchnip has disappeared.

I mean, the election is over. Whats left to talk about?

[Hootiefish]

With the announcement that Ben Carson has tested positive for COVID after attending a watch party where few people were masked, I have a question.

In regards to their own personal conduct (mask wearing, staying away from large groups, etc.), why hasn't the Trump administration taken COVID more seriously? Several people of the inner circle have gotten ill, some have been hospitalized (including Trump), and they all have known someone to have died (poor Herman Cain).

Is it hubris? Or the fear of looking weak? Or is it just not a big deal?

I live in an extremely conservative part of my state, and all of the people I know and see are taking the virus seriously - so why isn't the administration?

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

With the announcement that Ben Carson has tested positive for COVID after attending a watch party where few people were masked, I have a question.

In regards to their own personal conduct (mask wearing, staying away from large groups, etc.), why hasn't the Trump administration taken COVID more seriously? Several people of the inner circle have gotten ill, some have been hospitalized (including Trump), and they all have known someone to have died (poor Herman Cain).

Is it hubris? Or the fear of looking weak? Or is it just not a big deal?

I live in an extremely conservative part of my state, and all of the people I know and see are taking the virus seriously - so why isn't the administration?

He's going down with the ship and the people that follow his lead are just doing what they think the boss wants them to do.

[ActionJackson]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I can transfer thousands of dollars from a bank in France to a bank in Switzerland using my phone while I sit on a beach in Brazil. And I don't need to show ID to do it.

This is 2020.

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But you need an ID and proof of an ID number to establish those accounts before that transfer could ever take place. So you needed an ID.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by cnewby

I mean, the election is over. Whats left to talk about?

Well, truth be told, the outcome was in doubt until early Friday, at least from my point of view, and it wasn't technically called until what Saturday afternoon?

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Well, truth be told, the outcome was in doubt until early Friday, at least from my point of view, and it wasn't technically called until what Saturday afternoon?

You can thank Trump and the media for that. We knew for weeks that the election would lean Trump come election night but as mail-in ballots were counted, it'd start to swing to Biden. Thank the GOP in states like Pennsylvania who wouldn't let mail-in ballots be counted until after polls closed. If states had let the ballots be counted as they got them, we wouldn't have doubted the results.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

But you need an ID and proof of an ID number to establish those accounts before that transfer could ever take place. So you needed an ID.

Sure.

I addressed this in an earlier post. I would need ID to do that, but all of it can be done online. I can open the accounts online and establish passwords and whatnot once the account is open.

The important part isn't the ID part. The important part is that I can do it completely remotely. In terms of voting, I could do it without ever going to a polling location and showing my ID that way.

Edit to add: just in the last few months, I opened a bank account and a personal brokerage account online. I never went anywhere. I did one on my laptop and the other on my phone, while sitting in my living room.

[discostu]

Is banking a constitutionally protected right? How about drinking?

A lot of smaller government Republicans really seem to like the idea for new laws to make it harder to vote. Really counter towards their general narrative.

Cool.

[justin80]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

With the announcement that Ben Carson has tested positive for COVID after attending a watch party where few people were masked, I have a question.

In regards to their own personal conduct (mask wearing, staying away from large groups, etc.), why hasn't the Trump administration taken COVID more seriously? Several people of the inner circle have gotten ill, some have been hospitalized (including Trump), and they all have known someone to have died (poor Herman Cain).

Is it hubris? Or the fear of looking weak? Or is it just not a big deal?

I live in an extremely conservative part of my state, and all of the people I know and see are taking the virus seriously - so why isn't the administration?

Trump is not capable of admitting he is wrong, he has lost, etc. Even in the 2016 primaries when he lost once to Ted Cruz, Trump blamed fraud. So with Covid, I think when he realized (months ago) that he was wrong about it he couldn’t change course. That would show he made a mistake, which he can’t do. So he doubled down on it being no big deal. And if you work for him you either have to drink the kool aid (or pretend to drink it) if you want to keep your job. I live in a blue bubble but even so it is hard for me to understand why so many people lap up every lie he feeds them.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by discostu

Is banking a constitutionally protected right? How about drinking?

A lot of smaller government Republicans really seem to like the idea for new laws to make it harder to vote. Really counter towards their general narrative.

Cool.

Would you agree the government has a duty to ensure all legal votes are counted? How about verified?

I'd say only verified, legally cast votes should be counted.

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by discostu

A lot of smaller government Republicans really seem to like the idea for new laws to make it harder to vote. Really counter towards their general narrative.

Cool.

My favorite was closing down polling places in high population, high minority areas to ensure those who voted needed to wait in the longest lines possible in order to do so.

Also, screwing with the Post Office, then saying "see, we told you mail-in voting was unreliable" when there is a logjam at the Post Office due to the number of mail-in ballots.

[justin80]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

You can thank Trump and the media for that. We knew for weeks that the election would lean Trump come election night but as mail-in ballots were counted, it'd start to swing to Biden. Thank the GOP in states like Pennsylvania who wouldn't let mail-in ballots be counted until after polls closed. If states had let the ballots be counted as they got them, we wouldn't have doubted the results.

It’s almost like they knew there would be chaos ... and were ok with that. Hmmm

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

My favorite was closing down polling places in high population, high minority areas to ensure those who voted needed to wait in the longest lines possible in order to do so.

Also, screwing with the Post Office, then saying "see, we told you mail-in voting was unreliable" when there is a logjam at the Post Office due to the number of mail-in ballots.

Shady shady shady stuff right there.

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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Would you agree the government has a duty to ensure all legal votes are counted? How about verified?

I'd say only verified, legally cast votes should be counted.

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They do, again, how widespread is this perceived fraud? They've done studies and research and it's come up with basically nothing. Add in voter ID cards, they'll be faked. Add in online or vote by phone, it'll be hacked. No vote is 100% fool proof, never has been and never will be. This idea that we need IDs or something along those lines is just another way to discourage people from voting.

[justin80]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

My favorite was closing down polling places in high population, high minority areas to ensure those who voted needed to wait in the longest lines possible in order to do so.

Also, screwing with the Post Office, then saying "see, we told you mail-in voting was unreliable" when there is a logjam at the Post Office due to the number of mail-in ballots.

Please spare me these actual examples of widespread fraud and voter suppression perpetuated against likely Democratic voters. I only want to hear about baseless claims being brought by the GOP that potentially impact dozens of votes.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

They do, again, how widespread is this perceived fraud? They've done studies and research and it's come up with basically nothing. Add in voter ID cards, they'll be faked. Add in online or vote by phone, it'll be hacked. No vote is 100% fool proof, never has been and never will be. This idea that we need IDs or something along those lines is just another way to discourage people from voting.

Sure.

But either we do what we can to verify the legality of votes, or we use some form of honor system. I'm not okay with an honor system.

A vote in the United States is a sacred thing. It's too important to just count whatever pieces of paper happen along. I don't think verification is too much to ask.

We have a right to buy a gun in this country too. But not everyone can do it legally. It is a right, not a privilege, yet we require ID and verification for it to be legal.

There has to be some sort of compromise between an easy voting system and a verifiably legal voting system. In the 21st century, this shouldn't be that hard to make everyone happy.

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by justin80

Please spare me these actual examples of widespread fraud and voter suppression perpetuated against likely Democratic voters. I only want to hear about baseless claims being brought by the GOP that potentially impact dozens of votes.

Then do I have a Twitter account for you to follow ...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Just remember, words don't matter, apparently.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Would you agree the government has a duty to ensure all legal votes are counted? How about verified?

I'd say only verified, legally cast votes should be counted.

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All legal votes are counted.

Illegal, unverified votes do not count.

This is standard operating procedure.

Isn't the gun law argument always "enforce the laws already on the books?" We don't need more laws to limit or inhibit voting, there is not any widespread voter fraud issue.

It's the monster under the beds of many Republicans however.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Sure.

But either we do what we can to verify the legality of votes, or we use some form of honor system. I'm not okay with an honor system.

A vote in the United States is a sacred thing. It's too important to just count whatever pieces of paper happen along. I don't think verification is too much to ask.

We have a right to buy a gun in this country too. But not everyone can do it legally. It is a right, not a privilege, yet we require ID and verification for it to be legal.

There has to be some sort of compromise between an easy voting system and a verifiably legal voting system. In the 21st century, this shouldn't be that hard to make everyone happy.

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That system already exists, it's called our voting process. Why are people looking for an issue when one doesn't exist?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

That system already exists, it's called our voting process. Why are people looking for an issue when one doesn't exist?

Because some believe our system isn't perfect and it could be better.

Do you think our system is perfect? Or is it merely "good enough" for you?

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by discostu

All legal votes are counted.



Illegal, unverified votes do not count.



This is standard operating procedure.



Isn't the gun law argument always "enforce the laws already on the books?" We don't need more laws to limit or inhibit voting, there is not any widespread voter fraud issue.



It's the monster under the beds of many Republicans however.

There is some serious "us/them" stuff going on for you there.

Step back for a moment and look at it from the point of a neutral observer. If even one illegally cast vote is counted, that's a problem. If even one legally cast vote is not counted, that is also a problem.

Widespread, schmidespread. Doesn't matter. Every legal vote counts every time or we need to fix it.

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