2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I don't live in Hialeah, lol.

And I don't really have time to keep discussing simple concepts just because you either can't grasp them or are too blinded by your hatred to try.

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That's a typical message board tactic. When your posts are challenged, the typical response is "I can't help it if you don't understand". The lack of creativity in defeat is disappointing.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I enjoyed your posts at one time even though I think your Trump hate is ridiculous, but that ship sailed about a week or so ago.
One, I'm certainly not afraid of that "little girl" but don't look forward to the optics of arguing in a public setting with anyone let alone a younger female which I'm sure would like likely end with me telling said young lady to eff off.
Two, I don't currently own a single gun, although I've been giving it serious thought.

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I'm not sure I ever enjoyed yours, but at least they were insightful. Somehow, they seem to have devolved into the right wing circle jerk going on here. Herd mentality is stronger than I thought.

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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

That's a typical message board tactic. When your posts are challenged, the typical response is "I can't help it if you don't understand". The lack of creativity in defeat is disappointing.

[yanksfan1]

Trump making another trip to Georgia this weekend, it's in play

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by cnewby

you got mad last night, took your ball, and went home. People in here are more important to you than you admit.

Last night I had other things to be doing, like comforting my family. That's all.

This place is merely a time killer whole I'm bored.

I imagine that's how most here feel. I'm no different.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I don't live in Hialeah, lol.

And I don't really have time to keep discussing simple concepts just because you either can't grasp them or are too blinded by your hatred to try.

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Blinded by hatred.
Sounds a bit like someone when it comes to Trump.
Seriously lacking in the self awareness department.
Rachel, meet Mr. Mirror.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

If you did argue in public with that girl, it would certainly be recorded and then edited to portray you as an evil Trump-loving monster.

Yeah, I'll give you that one. Lol.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Blinded by hatred.
Sounds a bit like someone when it comes to Trump.
Seriously lacking in the self awareness department.
Rachel, meet Mr. Mirror.

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My hatred of Trump is strong. Yes. But it clarifies my thought; it doesn't blind me.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Simple question, but you refuse to answer because it will show how hypocritical you are. I wear a mask when required so I’m not as extreme as babyface but the people that claim moral superiority disgust me when they do other things everyday that place others in danger.

This has been one of my biggest gripes with this whole thing all along. There's this idea that if you don't wear a mask, you're being reckless and risking the lives of those around you. Pretending there's no debate that masks are in fact effective, let's apply this logic to other areas where our actions can harm others.

Anyone here drive the speed limit all the time? Speed limits are in effect to protect everyone, but we ignore them for our own selfish reasons... gotta get to work, gotta pee, just gotta go fast because if you're not first you're last, <insert some other reason>. It's easy to justify why everyone should wear a mask, so why doesn't the pro mask crowd behave in the most considerate, risk averse way in other areas of life when their risky behavior can cause serious harm to others?

It's disgusting how many masks I see on the ground... everywhere... even in places where a mask isn't required. I can't imagine an anti masker wears a mask at a park when there is no mandate to do so, so why am I cleaning up this litter from inconsiderate pro maskers who don't care about how their careless actions impact others? We're very selective about what we decide to vilify others for and when we do it. Wear a mask or don't, IDGAF, but if you're one of the ones pointing fingers at others for putting people in harms way by not wearing a mask, you best be squeaky clean in the way you live your life. Be consistently considerate, not just when the issue is political and you think you're winning points for your team.

[56LightsOut56]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Shut yourself down. That'd be the play.

Do grocery stores allow smoking? Anywhere? How about banks? Light up at the DMV.

C'mon. Apples to hand grenades.


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I remember smoking on airplanes...

Damn I'm old

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

Trump making another trip to Georgia this weekend, it's in play

Again, he has 10 states he needs to win. Biden needs to win just 3.

Trump should be everywhere. Biden should camp up north.

[Wade Mulroy]

Here's my all-to-simple take on this debate, once again:

Isn't the easiest solution to just let the business decide on whether masks are mandated or not?

If, as a business owner, you wish to enforce mask-wearing 100%, put a sign on your front door that says "no mask, no service" then have an employee within eye-shot of the front door to make sure no one comes in that isn't wearing a mask.

As a citizen, I can then choose what businesses to patronize and/or avoid based on their practices and my own sense of security.

I'm personally in the camp that wearing masks probably does at least some good in helping protect against the spread. I don't really care to try and find the science behind it all, because it really isn't that big of a deal to me to wear one when I'm out in public.

I don't like the idea of a federal mandate, because we're all in very different situations across the country. Even state-wide mandates - I think about my parents who live in rural southern-Illinois who are potentially subjected to state mandates that basically are just focused on Chicago.

I suppose I wouldn't mind if local governments make the decision to either enforce mask-wearing or not, because at least they can make decisions based on their own, unique situations.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by 56LightsOut56

I remember smoking on airplanes...

Damn I'm old

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Smoking or non-smoking

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Shut yourself down. That'd be the play.

Do grocery stores allow smoking? Anywhere? How about banks? Light up at the DMV.

C'mon. Apples to hand grenades.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Total number of federal smoking bans; 0.

Some states have laws, other states allow business owners to decide. In every instance, there is no mandate of any kind.

Apply the same standard to masks, and we're cool. Governors who dictate new policy - uncool.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

I suppose I wouldn't mind if local governments make the decision to either enforce mask-wearing or not, because at least they can make decisions based on their own, unique situations.

This makes the most sense.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

This makes the most sense.

Absolutely. Pass a law. Otherwise, leave it up to the business or land owner to decide whether or not they want to have a mask policy.

This whole "I'm governor Murphy and I demand you wear a mask outside and will fine you if you don't" stuff is the actual, literally facism that the left have been screaming about for four years w/ Trump. It's right in your face but you refuse to recognize it because you're on team blue, and team blue dictators are highly regarded (see Castro, Fidel).

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Here's my all-to-simple take on this debate, once again:

Isn't the easiest solution to just let the business decide on whether masks are mandated or not?

If, as a business owner, you wish to enforce mask-wearing 100%, put a sign on your front door that says "no mask, no service" then have an employee within eye-shot of the front door to make sure no one comes in that isn't wearing a mask.

As a citizen, I can then choose what businesses to patronize and/or avoid based on their practices and my own sense of security.

I'm personally in the camp that wearing masks probably does at least some good in helping protect against the spread. I don't really care to try and find the science behind it all, because it really isn't that big of a deal to me to wear one when I'm out in public.

I don't like the idea of a federal mandate, because we're all in very different situations across the country. Even state-wide mandates - I think about my parents who live in rural southern-Illinois who are potentially subjected to state mandates that basically are just focused on Chicago.

I suppose I wouldn't mind if local governments make the decision to either enforce mask-wearing or not, because at least they can make decisions based on their own, unique situations.

In my rural neck of the woods in IL pretty much every store has a sign posted that masks are required by the state but a vast majority don't enforce it. About the only places I go anymore outside of work are the local gas station and dollar store. The employees do wear masks but I'd guess maybe 10% of customers do if that. I don't wear a mask myself. I like the 6 foot social distancing "rule" because I've never liked people in my personal space and even 6 feet isn't that much. When I do see see someone wearing a mask I respect that they are being cautious and assume they have a reason to so I make sure to put as much space as I can between them and myself. I feel like I can be cautious and respect other people without wearing a mask. If I were in a more densely populated area I might give a mask more thought.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Long-winded, inflammatory nonsense.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191114/

Your initial link is in danish fyi. Wear your mask and stop reading Q

You literally got pwnd by science. The irony in that is amazing! You should just stop posting about masks you are embarrassing yourself.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

You literally got pwnd by science. The irony in that is amazing! You should just stop posting about masks you are embarrassing yourself.

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"WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO SCIENCE?"

"Well, here's plenty of data to show that masks don't really work."

"LONG-WINDED INFLAMMATORY NONSENSE!"

So typical.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I'm not sure I ever enjoyed yours, but at least they were insightful. Somehow, they seem to have devolved into the right wing circle jerk going on here. Herd mentality is stronger than I thought.

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Nobody is forcing you to post in here. If you can't handle the discussion don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

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[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Again, he has 10 states he needs to win. Biden needs to win just 3.

Trump should be everywhere. Biden should camp up north.

you had me worried when i saw you bet on biden in wisconsin, which he may very well win, but i looked at trumps 2016 victory and i didnt realize they won by that many electoral votes, so he could take or leave wisconsin and have 54 left to play with, so even if he lost North carolina he'd still be in decent shape to win right? i think between fracking and the gift of rioting in philly (i say that very tongue in cheek and i feel terrible for the fine citizens of philly who aren't scumbags and messing up their city with violence) but election gift, i just don't see him losing Pennsylvania, or likely ohio for that matter. You are leaps and bounds smarter than I in this subject something i'm missing? i know arizona will be close too which may make it tough.

[oshmeehan]

It is 2020, of course it will end up in a 269-269 electoral college tie

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

you had me worried when i saw you bet on biden in wisconsin, which he may very well win, but i looked at trumps 2016 victory and i didnt realize they won by that many electoral votes, so he could take or leave wisconsin and have 54 left to play with, so even if he lost North carolina he'd still be in decent shape to win right? i think between fracking and the gift of rioting in philly (i say that very tongue in cheek and i feel terrible for the fine citizens of philly who aren't scumbags and messing up their city with violence) but election gift, i just don't see him losing Pennsylvania, or likely ohio for that matter. You are leaps and bounds smarter than I in this subject something i'm missing? i know arizona will be close too which may make it tough.

Getting ready to dump $4,000 (-400) more into Mark Kelly to win the Senate race in AZ. That seems all but over as well.

Trump can still carry AZ but that state has gone from two fence Republican senators to a moderate and solid left senator state. The times, they are, a changin.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

Here's my all-to-simple take on this debate, once again:



Isn't the easiest solution to just let the business decide on whether masks are mandated or not?



If, as a business owner, you wish to enforce mask-wearing 100%, put a sign on your front door that says "no mask, no service" then have an employee within eye-shot of the front door to make sure no one comes in that isn't wearing a mask.



As a citizen, I can then choose what businesses to patronize and/or avoid based on their practices and my own sense of security.



I'm personally in the camp that wearing masks probably does at least some good in helping protect against the spread. I don't really care to try and find the science behind it all, because it really isn't that big of a deal to me to wear one when I'm out in public.



I don't like the idea of a federal mandate, because we're all in very different situations across the country. Even state-wide mandates - I think about my parents who live in rural southern-Illinois who are potentially subjected to state mandates that basically are just focused on Chicago.



I suppose I wouldn't mind if local governments make the decision to either enforce mask-wearing or not, because at least they can make decisions based on their own, unique situations.

This is an excellent post.

I'm not saying I agree with all of it, but your post is reasonable, well articulated, and responsible. It's refreshing. Thank you.

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[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Getting ready to dump $4,000 (-400) more into Mark Kelly to win the Senate race in AZ. That seems all but over as well.

Trump can still carry AZ but that state has gone from two fence Republican senators to a moderate and solid left senator state. The times, they are, a changin.

What's your read on the Montana senate race, aka the Battle of the Steves?