2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

That's what I always try to keep in mind when things get nasty in here. If we all met up we'd eat some good food, have some drinks, and talk about sports or other shared interests. I doubt politics would even come up.

I feel the same way. There are several members here who I would love to meet up with over a beer, talk about sports, cards, life in general.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

So those images of him hanging from a noose, pics of him with a noose, memes of him as a monkey, memes of his wife as a monkey, memes referencing lynching him, and the whole birther movement ... all of that was simply because he was a Democrat?

Nope, but here's the problem: you take stuff like that and then anytime someone criticizes Obama, well, just another racist.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Nope, there are racist in this country, we all know this. I just personally didn't know one.

Sadly, I know many.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Nope, but here's the problem: you take stuff like that and then anytime someone criticizes Obama, well, just another racist.

Then perhaps the Republican party should do a bit more to separate themselves from people and groups like that. Instead, the party has spent two generations openly courting them.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

Then perhaps the Republican party should do a bit more to separate themselves from people and groups like that. Instead, the party has spent two generations openly courting them.

More generalizations.

Show me who created those despicable images, and then show me how the Republican party has openly courted them.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I don't even care if Obama did anything to that effect or not. To me, if someone is a racist, they aren't going to change their ways because President XYZ was on TV denouncing racism.

I think the problem is that it's so blatant now, much more in the open where before those kind of things were said behind closed doors or not at all.


and no, I'm NOT blaming Trump, Obama, or anyone else for this.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

Sadly, I know many.

Same here, I know 3 black people and 5 white people that I would consider racist.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

And since the sample size is too small to mean anything, the 2.4 also doesn't mean anything. Having "contempt for masks" has literally nothing to do with those specific 16 people, since you don't even know how any single one of them caught it.

Seriously????

My sample size is my denominator..... and FYI - it is statistically significant
I didn't say it was too small - I said it was small as that is all I have to put in the numerator.

Republican lawmakers - had contempt for masks the same as the Administration and these same lawmakers argued - in chambers - about wearing masks. Republicans have LESS total members and higher infection rate.

Wear a mask - less transmission. Simple as that folks

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Seriously????

Wear a mask - less transmission. Simple as that folks

Yep, as well as, don't go out, less transmission.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I would argue the most damage that the Trump "presidency" has done to our country would be the appointment of various Bond villains to head our federal agencies.

https://defector.com/william-pendley...gets-the-boot/

That was great news when that happened.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

More generalizations.

Show me who created those despicable images, and then show me how the Republican party has openly courted them.

I can post this until I'm blue in the face - go read about Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy. It's a strategy that started with the Goldwater campaign trying to win back the Southern white vote and has continued in various iterations since.

There's a reason that white racists/supremacists/neo-Nazis vote Republican. There's a reason the birther movement was pushed by right-wing fringe groups before being picked up by mainstream Republicans. There's a reason human blobfish Tucker Carlson is a hero to the right.

It's not just coincidence.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Seriously????

My sample size is my denominator..... and FYI - it is statistically significant
I didn't say it was too small - I said it was small as that is all I have to put in the numerator.

Republican lawmakers - had contempt for masks the same as the Administration and these same lawmakers argued - in chambers - about wearing masks. Republicans have LESS total members and higher infection rate.

Wear a mask - less transmission. Simple as that folks

Based on your "significant sample size" the death rate is....wait for it.....0

Wear a mask, don't wear a mask, virus gonna virus.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Seriously????

My sample size is my denominator..... and FYI - it is statistically significant
I didn't say it was too small - I said it was small as that is all I have to put in the numerator.

Republican lawmakers - had contempt for masks the same as the Administration and these same lawmakers argued - in chambers - about wearing masks. Republicans have LESS total members and higher infection rate.

Wear a mask - less transmission. Simple as that folks

Yes, seriously. Absolutely serious. 11 vs. 5 tells us nothing. You're trying to paint a picture of two U.S. political parties with a sample size of 16 cases. We're talking about a hundred million people on each side, and you think you've found something with 16 cases.

In addition, you have no idea what the circumstances were in any of the 16 cases.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I can post this until I'm blue in the face - go read about Lee Atwater and the Southern Strategy. It's a strategy that started with the Goldwater campaign trying to win back the Southern white vote and has continued in various iterations since.

There's a reason that white racists/supremacists/neo-Nazis vote Republican. There's a reason the birther movement was pushed by right-wing fringe groups before being picked up by mainstream Republicans. There's a reason human blobfish Tucker Carlson is a hero to the right.

It's not just coincidence.

But.....

"Show me who created those despicable images, and then show me how the Republican party has openly courted them."

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Yes, seriously. Absolutely serious. 11 vs. 5 tells us nothing. You're trying to paint a picture of two U.S. political parties with a sample size of 16 cases. We're talking about a hundred million people on each side, and you think you've found something with 16 cases.

In addition, you have no idea what the circumstances were in any of the 16 cases.

I am not going to argue with you - you are defending your party for denigrating mask wearing and making it a partisan issue. From the POTUS, to the House and to the Senate - most all Republicans have argued against masks (facts I will say)

Now, 11 out of 16 positives on the Hill - and you want to dismiss this data because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Don't you think - they got the virus because.... wait for it - because it isn't a hoax and they were NOT wearing masks?

Why is it so friggin hard for GOP and right wingers to say "hey, maybe I should wear a mask??"

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Seriously????

My sample size is my denominator..... and FYI - it is statistically significant
I didn't say it was too small - I said it was small as that is all I have to put in the numerator.

Republican lawmakers - had contempt for masks the same as the Administration and these same lawmakers argued - in chambers - about wearing masks. Republicans have LESS total members and higher infection rate.

Wear a mask - less transmission. Simple as that folks

I going to show this to my AP Research class on Monday so they can get a good laugh.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

But.....

"Show me who created those despicable images, and then show me how the Republican party has openly courted them."

I'll break it down like this: the people that created those images are racist. The Republican Party has openly courted racists. Thus, those people have been courted by the Republican Party.

Don't invite racists to your party, and you'll get a lot fewer racists in your party.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Same here, I know 3 black people and 5 white people that I would consider racist.

Wait - didn't you say above you didn't know any racist's, but now you know 8??

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

I going to show this to my AP Research class on Monday so they can get a good laugh.

Thank you ..... The fact you call a sampling of 500+ insignificant is the part they may laugh at

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

I am not going to argue with you - you are defending your party for denigrating mask wearing and making it a partisan issue. From the POTUS, to the House and to the Senate - most all Republicans have argued against masks (facts I will say)

Now, 11 out of 16 positives on the Hill - and you want to dismiss this data because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Don't you think - they got the virus because.... wait for it - because it isn't a hoax and they were NOT wearing masks?

Why is it so friggin hard for GOP and right wingers to say "hey, maybe I should wear a mask??"

Respectfully, you simply don't know what you don't know. This would get laughed at by any academic journal on either side of the political spectrum.

Quick question: how did those five people on the left get the virus if it's only those dumb Republicans who are against masks?

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Respectfully, you simply don't know what you don't know. This would get laughed at by any academic journal on either side of the political spectrum.

Quick question: how did those five people on the left get the virus if it's only those dumb Republicans who are against masks?

Just dumb luck.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Thank you ..... The fact you call a sampling of 500+ insignificant is the part they may laugh at

That's not the data piece that matters. You just don't understand statistics. Claiming that 11 vs 5 represents the ideals of two national parties is so elementary that I feel bad for how excited you were.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I'll break it down like this: the people that created those images are racist. The Republican Party has openly courted racists. Thus, those people have been courted by the Republican Party.

Don't invite racists to your party, and you'll get a lot fewer racists in your party.

But....

"Show me who created those despicable images, and then show me how the Republican party has openly courted them."

Just say that you can't provide any specifics and this will all go away.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Wait - didn't you say above you didn't know any racist's, but now you know 8??

Where?

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Respectfully, you simply don't know what you don't know. This would get laughed at by any academic journal on either side of the political spectrum.

Quick question: how did those five people on the left get the virus if it's only those dumb Republicans who are against masks?

The population I pulled from was total people on the hill (significant)
The numerator I used was positives for all and then broke it down to party (to understand the impact)

Would I put this in a journal - not at all.

I was pointing out - the party that refused to wear masks on the hill - railed against masks and argued about wearing masks - on the hill had an infection rate 2.4 times higher than the party members who embraced masks.

With 8 months of data (so far) this shows a rather clear delineation between ideologies of wearing a mask and not. Regardless of your political affiliation - based on the data we currently have.