2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

The right went nuts. Can't you see the 8 or so protest involving maybe 100,000 total people, and most of those weren't even against Obama, but against government spending. Nuts I tell you.

And GeechQuest is suggesting that the left learned this from the right? Give me a break. Can you tell me how many cities were burned, looted or riots that took place when Obama took office?

Which cities were burned, looted, or riots that took place when Trump took office?

I didn't see that stuff until recently.

Which political party do the rioters and looters belong to and how do you know? Genuinely curious.

[GoTribe!!!]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Do you know which political party the rioters and looters belong to or how they vote? I don't. If you do, how do you?

Didn't riots and looting happen under Obama as well.

Not sure they're politically motivated or tied to a president. At least I haven't seen it. I'm sure you can find some anecdotal stuff on it though.

Seriously Geech?
You are better than that.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Seriously Geech?
You are better than that.

I'm asking.

Aren't they protesting and rioting over police violence? Didn't this ALSO happen under Obama?

Or am I mistaken and did Ferguson and subsequent similar things not happen?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, I don't think so. Speaking only for me, rage is an emotion that I think I've drawn on just once in my life and I think it's crazy if I were to do so for something as silly as a Presidential election.

When I consider the impact that both Obama and Trump have had on my life as a result of their specific vision and policy, it's not insignificant. But it's also not been significant enough where I wasn't able to bend to a path that made me happy and made sure my family is A-OK.

And to be perfectly honest, A Kamala Harris presidency, which let's real, is exactly what it will be, sets the stage much better for Haley to be elected in 2024 than another election win for Trump in 2020. As I've stated before, Haley is one that I will campaign for; and so I think I'm going to be just fine w/ a Biden 2020 win.

And bonus points, I've been dragging student debt with me for this very reason. Hedging my bets if you will, perhaps Biden will be so kind as to forgive the remaining $74,000 I've got on the tab.

Let's GO JOE! LOL.

I'm intrigued by Haley. I just want a republican I can get excited about.

[zachtruitt]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm intrigued by Haley. I just want a republican I can get excited about.

The first Indian-American to run for President, she is the Republicans' lonely hope for the future. Matt Gaetz anyone????

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

I'm intrigued by Haley. I just want a republican I can get excited about.

DeSantis will be in the fold, even Tucker Carlson if he continues to host the #1 show in the country.

But Haley should emerge. Long way to go of course but I think taking the L on Trump in 2020 is better for her than if she's coming in after 8 years of the Donald. Getting way ahead of myself of course but the path I currently see. Same path I saw in 2018, so not much has changed on that front in a couple of years.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

The first Indian-American to run for President, she is the Republicans' lonely hope for the future. Matt Gaetz anyone????

I certainly wouldn't say lonely hope. Crenshaw is another guy that might run in '24 who would be a terrific selection as well.

In the same context, IDK if there's democrat that is viewed in the same way Haley is right now (kind of like the frontrunner for '24). One may emerge, we'll see.

[NeedChapmans]

So we're going from Defund the Police, to Dismantle the US Economy?

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/statu...61422569701376

A sitting house member of the United States. Amazing.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Hysterical is your allegation that things were the same in 2012 as they were in 2016. As examples, how many conservatives threatened to move to Canada? How many in power threatened impeachment the day of inauguration?

Originally Posted by cnewby

Get back here you pesky goal posts!!!

I can't respond to all the moronic takes at one, and I was at lunch (thus the delay).

I won't list all the impeachment requests from state reps of Obama (just in my state).

You remember Judge Tom Head right? From my home state, who was worried if Obama won relection he was ""going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the U.N."

I don't really want to grab all the tweets from Conservatives threatening to move to Canada, though they are funny.

I don't really want to link the Ted Nugent interview (remember when he was relevant and on Fox News once a week during the Obama administration?) where he says he'll be "dead or in jail" if Obama was re-elected in 2012.

I'm busy, and it won't matter to you regardless.

You're right, you win. Things are different this time because "orange man bad".

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Which political party do the rioters and looters belong to and how do you know? Genuinely curious.

If I had to ballpark it, my best guess would be somewhere between 1% and 2% Trump voter; 20% - 25% no voter (or other voter) and 73% - 79% Clinton voter.

I might be high on the Trump side to be quite honest. 1 in 50 seems like a stretch and you better believe if you asked the crowd, no hands go up.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If I had to ballpark it, my best guess would be somewhere between 1% and 2% Trump voter; 20% - 25% no voter (or other voter) and 73% - 79% Clinton voter.

I might be high on the Trump side to be quite honest. 1 in 50 seems like a stretch and you better believe if you asked the crowd, no hands go up.

I'd guess 90-95% don't vote.

They all seem to be under 25, and just like you, most people don't seem to care about politics until middle-age.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Do you know which political party the rioters and looters belong to or how they vote? I don't. If you do, how do you?

Didn't riots and looting happen under Obama as well.

Not sure they're politically motivated or tied to a president. At least I haven't seen it. I'm sure you can find some anecdotal stuff on it though.

BLM absolutely rioted and looted during the Obama era, but I don’t remember any Tea Party riots.

The Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party movements were squashed because they focused on class struggles. Elites didn’t like that so they pushed BLM before the 2016 election because it divided by race instead of class. They are resurrecting it again in 2020 to try and push the racial divide.

[LVDan]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

DeSantis will be in the fold, even Tucker Carlson if he continues to host the #1 show in the country.

But Haley should emerge. Long way to go of course but I think taking the L on Trump in 2020 is better for her than if she's coming in after 8 years of the Donald. Getting way ahead of myself of course but the path I currently see. Same path I saw in 2018, so not much has changed on that front in a couple of years.

Tucker Carlson? He’s only slightly less ridiculous than Don Lemon.
I think both hideous parties would be much better off bringing up a relatively unknown entity at this point. Some fresh blood that might not immediately make half the country wretch in disgust. Are there any younger more central type prospects out there that maybe aren’t so polarizing?
Plenty of people disgusted with all the same old names who may be willing to vote against their party if given some worthwhile options I think.


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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by tpeichel34

BLM absolutely rioted and looted during the Obama era, but I don’t remember any Tea Party riots.

The Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party movements were squashed because they focused on class struggles. Elites didn’t like that so they pushed BLM before the 2016 election because it divided by race instead of class. They are resurrecting it again in 2020 to try and push the racial divide.

On which ballot will I find the BLM candidate? I'm trying to figure out which political party they belong to.

I suspect the vast majority (just an assumption) of the rioters don't vote and/or have never voted, nor will they.

Again, I don't think the rioting or anything is associated with Trump as a president and has nothing to do with him, as much as some people may like to believe it does.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I'd guess 90-95% don't vote.

They all seem to be under 25, and just like you, most people don't seem to care about politics until middle-age.

I think the majority are 25 and under; yes. But we're also talking about the people most engaged online and in politics. The cross-section is not simply a sample size of the under 25 crowd, but a highly engaged under 25 crowd.

You're correct in that if you sampled me at that age, I'm a non-voter. But dollars to donuts, if I were on the streets protesting at 25, I would absolutely be a voter.

The non-voters are in the Ozarks, having a beer at the pool.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

DeSantis will be in the fold, even Tucker Carlson if he continues to host the #1 show in the country.

But Haley should emerge. Long way to go of course but I think taking the L on Trump in 2020 is better for her than if she's coming in after 8 years of the Donald. Getting way ahead of myself of course but the path I currently see. Same path I saw in 2018, so not much has changed on that front in a couple of years.

I'm only with Haley out of these three. The other two do nothing for me. I just see them kissing trumps a#$.



I'd like a candidate that can actually think on their own.


But a lot can change in 4 years.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by LVDan

Tucker Carlson? He’s only slightly less ridiculous than Don Lemon.
I think both hideous parties would be much better off bringing up a relatively unknown entity at this point. Some fresh blood that might not immediately make half the country wretch in disgust. Are there any younger more central type prospects out there that maybe aren’t so polarizing?
Plenty of people disgusted with all the same old names who may be willing to vote against their party if given some worthwhile options I think.


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Carlson is a much more thoughtful, polished version of Trump. His grasp of the media is something you cannot discount; he would come into the primaries with a huge following and name recognition.

He and DeSantis would get much of the "Trump vote"

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

On which ballot will I find the BLM candidate? I'm trying to figure out which political party they belong to.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

But we're also talking about the people most engaged online and in politics.

This is key. I suspect many are engaged online, but that isn't engaged in the political arena whatsoever. In the streets that's known as "Twitter fingers" and all it will get you is a Drake diss track.

I guess this is just where you and I would disagree about semantics though, and that's fine.

[calculusdork]

When I think of Tucker Carlson, I only ever think of this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This is key. I suspect many are engaged online, but that isn't engaged in the political arena whatsoever. In the streets that's known as "Twitter fingers" and all it will get you is a Drake diss track.

I guess this is just where you and I would disagree about semantics though, and that's fine.

You could be right; my percentages could be off in terms of Dem to non-voters.

That said, I think we both agree that they're most certainly not Republicans. And this is the core point in the argument. Even when Republicans stood up to protest for this or that about the lock-downs; how many people did they get? Couple hundred? The 20 that showed up outside the Ohio ladies house?

They show up once a year at the March of Life. And occasionally, you'll see a 2A rally for this or that. But the emotion for these kinds of causes just isn't there.

[DegaBama]

Add Tom Hanks to the fear party: "It's killing people."

Huh, first time something has killed people folks!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

When I think of Tucker Carlson, I only ever think of this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

The 12:30 moment is the moment. Stewart comes off the entire interview as the funny, charismatic, above the fray comedian and then completely gives it away. That wry Tucker smile is his staple move ... it's good TV!

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

When I think of Tucker Carlson, I only ever think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

King agitator - dude makes everyone crack eventually.

[tpeichel34]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

DeSantis will be in the fold, even Tucker Carlson if he continues to host the #1 show in the country.

But Haley should emerge. Long way to go of course but I think taking the L on Trump in 2020 is better for her than if she's coming in after 8 years of the Donald. Getting way ahead of myself of course but the path I currently see. Same path I saw in 2018, so not much has changed on that front in a couple of years.

My preference is Jim Jordan. I think he is rock solid.