Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[JVB]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

I also LOVE the ability to prepay for cards that havent even come out yet. Ive already purchased the bundle for 131-140 so its kinda like Russian Roulette to figure out what I bought. Adds another level of fun.

It's like ripping through wax and praying for hits!

[Sweetblue]

Originally Posted by The Accountant

anyone following the gibson autographs for grotesk? the whole process seems a little odd to me


email to order
they tell you to send F&F
ship within 3 days

Where is the info on this?

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

This is true on low pop cards. How is there ever going to be an end in site to supply for a card with a print run of over 25k? Over 50k? These will always be available and there will always be someone looking to dump them. On the reverse the low pop cards I think will always be in demand. The issue is virtually everyone is holding a ton of the cards with no resale value and/or way overpaid for the low pop ones. Very few are sitting pretty on paying $20 or less for a ton of cards 1-60.

There are still low PR cards coming out now. I have a hard time believing that Fucci McGwire (PR 5092) isn't going to be worth more than $15 once the flippers (if there are any left) sell through their quantities.

[cavsfan70]

Originally Posted by cj828282

A question for those that have sent cards to get graded by Beckett. How do you prepare the card? Do you take off the sticker and ship in the one touch case?

I left mine in the one touch unaltered. I only sent one though.

[Silas Barnaby]

Future collectors of this set haven't even been born yet.

That's how cool this will be when all is said and done.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hammertime

There are still low PR cards coming out now. I have a hard time believing that Fucci McGwire (PR 5092) isn't going to be worth more than $15 once the flippers (if there are any left) sell through their quantities.

and that is the rub....

at what number do the moss's of the card world just stop bothering?

its been fun picking up cards on here for less then cost after they are in hand

[RyanSwinger]

Really dumb question- for cases, is there a front and back? (ie- do you want the Ultra Pro logo in the front or back of the P2020 cards?)

Thanks!

[ThoseBackPages]

the logos are on the back piece

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

This is true on low pop cards. How is there ever going to be an end in site to supply for a card with a print run of over 25k? Over 50k? These will always be available and there will always be someone looking to dump them. On the reverse the low pop cards I think will always be in demand. The issue is virtually everyone is holding a ton of the cards with no resale value and/or way overpaid for the low pop ones. Very few are sitting pretty on paying $20 or less for a ton of cards 1-60.

You speak in terms of absolutes as if they're facts. You make it sound like every card is printed to the moon and talk about PRs above "50k" and "25k" when only 16 or so cards out of 134 have printed 25k and only 4 or so of those above 50k.

You speak as if there will never be enough demand for a 25k PR card when there are examples of higher print runs in the world that sell for more than $20 each. Yet there are all kinds of P2020 cards with print runs way lower than 25k. All kinds of cards with print runs lower than 10k. All kinds of cards with print runs around 5k and less. And we're only exactly 34% of the way through the Project as of this moment.

I don't mind you being a Debbie Downer. It's comical reading posts like yours...truly. Just know that not everyone sees things in terms of absolutes like you do as they know absolutes in this hobby don't usually come to fruition.

There will be middle ground. There will be cards that sell for less than others, just like the opposite will be true. Just know this...

Buying 1 of each card direct from Topps will only ever lose you AT MOST $25 on each card. (Being conservative if you have to pay outrageous taxes). On the other hand, there are cards right now, after all the negative talk, that are up WAY MORE than the potential $25 loss.

To each their own, but I'm still in this for the long haul, and I see absolutely no reason to jump ship. There is a lot more interest in this set than people think there is.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by samcam

There is a broken record and it is you. What is the point of this?

Because people keep trying to influence others to lose money. I love alot of these cards. But no one should be buying high pr cards with any resale expectation. Should only be buying those ones if you plan on keeping and collecting them.

[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by cavsfan70

I left mine in the one touch unaltered. I only sent one though.

Interested to see what it comes back as. Please let us know.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by hammertime

There are still low PR cards coming out now. I have a hard time believing that Fucci McGwire (PR 5092) isn't going to be worth more than $15 once the flippers (if there are any left) sell through their quantities.

Yes if you happened to buy that one from Topps or on ebay for cost. But if you didn't you can't find one for less than $26 plus shipping right now. Buying at that cost you may still be looking at a lose.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Future collectors of this set haven't even been born yet.

That's how cool this will be when all is said and done.

Why oh why can't I get my point across in so few of words like you?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Because people keep trying to influence others to lose money. I love alot of these cards. But no one should be buying high pr cards with any resale expectation. Should only be buying those ones if you plan on keeping and collecting them.

this applies to all collectibles.

[ThoseBackPages]

only sith deal in absolutes

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

and that is the rub....

at what number do the moss's of the card world just stop bothering?

its been fun picking up cards on here for less then cost after they are in hand

I like the cards but I'm not going to like it very soon when I have to sell Disney stock at a huge lose because of how much I've been paying for these cards. If I could go back to when I started buying I would just buy one of each card I liked to collect. I'm going to have to sell 9 each of dozens of cards to probably best case scenario spend countless hours of time to maybe break around even.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I like the cards but I'm not going to like it very soon when I have to sell Disney stock at a huge lose because of how much I've been paying for these cards. If I could go back to when I started buying I would just buy one of each card I liked to collect. I'm going to have to sell 9 each of dozens of cards to probably best case scenario spend countless hours of time to maybe break around even.

i hear ya. i could use a #53 & #58 at $60 dlvd if that helps you out

[hammertime]

Got 77 and 78 in from Topps today. No-name mag cases.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

You speak in terms of absolutes as if they're facts. You make it sound like every card is printed to the moon and talk about PRs above "50k" and "25k" when only 16 or so cards out of 134 have printed 25k and only 4 or so of those above 50k.

You speak as if there will never be enough demand for a 25k PR card when there are examples of higher print runs in the world that sell for more than $20 each. Yet there are all kinds of P2020 cards with print runs way lower than 25k. All kinds of cards with print runs lower than 10k. All kinds of cards with print runs around 5k and less. And we're only exactly 34% of the way through the Project as of this moment.

I don't mind you being a Debbie Downer. It's comical reading posts like yours...truly. Just know that not everyone sees things in terms of absolutes like you do as they know absolutes in this hobby don't usually come to fruition.

There will be middle ground. There will be cards that sell for less than others, just like the opposite will be true. Just know this...

Buying 1 of each card direct from Topps will only ever lose you AT MOST $25 on each card. (Being conservative if you have to pay outrageous taxes). On the other hand, there are cards right now, after all the negative talk, that are up WAY MORE than the potential $25 loss.

To each their own, but I'm still in this for the long haul, and I see absolutely no reason to jump ship. There is a lot more interest in this set than people think there is.

There will never be demand for a 25k+ print run card of a 2020 card of guys like Tony Gwynn, Mariano Rivera, or Nolan Ryan. Sorry

Yes if you're buying 1 the lose isn't big. Issue is the cheapest way is to buy 10 packs. If you bought 10 packs of say 50 cards you could be looking at a big lose not to mention the time to sell everything. I'm only saying anyone buying the high print runs should be doing so with the expectations of keeping the cards to collect. Anyone looking to possible resell later should only be buying sub 10k print runs.

[JVB]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

only sith deal in absolutes

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this applies to all collectibles.

I would say the vast majority of people in this forum are only interested in making money and resale value. So that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i hear ya. i could use a #53 & #58 at $60 dlvd if that helps you out

I only have 58 and I wouldn't sell it for $30 delivered. That is 1 of maybe 3 or 4 cards out of the 40+ I have that are worth over $25. I appreciate the offer though.

[TheWrightStuff]

Siff is the only complete run Im collecting now, but I have to say Im not a fan at all of the Gwynn today. Ill buy one for my set but just dont like it.

[RyanSwinger]

The problem I see in this thread is that most people speak to their love/hate of P2020 based on cost basis.

Two people, who equally love the card for itself, can have very different opinions of it based on how much they paid for it and how many were purchased.

I seriously doubt someone with no skin in the game would come in and dog a set of cards without having felt slighted by the market in one way or another. With that being said, if you weren't butt hurt about a purchase you likely wouldn't speak negatively on the set because it would be counter intuitive to do so.

Every negative comment should come with a intro like at a support group:

"Hi... My Name is Ryan... I hate P2020 because I bought 50 Nolan Ryan Vides....." then say your negative spin of the day.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I only have 58 and I wouldn't sell it for $30 delivered. That is 1 of maybe 3 or 4 cards out of the 40+ I have that are worth over $25. I appreciate the offer though.

no problem