2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Governor Corupter plans to take action if local officials don't if they do this again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bobpockra...80145337069570

Lip service. Nothing he can do; no court in the country would uphold a ban now. The public interest has changed.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Governor Corupter plans to take action if local officials don't if they do this again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bobpockra...80145337069570

It's a little late to still be pushing the social distancing agenda in regard to business closures. No one is buying it after the recent protests that were deemed okay. Next week another protest and more Coronavirus cases and shutdown extensions... and then the week after that... etc. No thanks.

[NeedChapmans]

The mob ... doxxed another innocent person. Whoops.

Nice they posted his address.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...bike-ride.html

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Governor Corupter plans to take action if local officials don't if they do this again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bobpockra...80145337069570

That would be funny if the governor did take action against a mass gathering

[TheFrenzy]

Washington Post: “Minuscule number of potentially fraudulent ballots in states with universal mail voting undercuts Trump claims about election risks”

“...a Washington Post analysis of data collected by three vote-by-mail states with help from the nonprofit Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC) found that officials identified just 372 possible cases of double voting or voting on behalf of deceased people out of about 14.6 million votes cast by mail in the 2016 and 2018 general elections, or 0.0025 percent.”

Washington Post: ”Protests spread over police shootings. Police promised reforms. Every year, they still shoot and kill nearly 1,000 people.”

1,000 deaths-by-police (for any reason) out of 375 million annual police/civilian encounters comes out to 0.00000267%.

Question. Every. Narrative.

Drawing from the exact same source we can see that voter fraud is literally 1000x more common than death-by-police (for any reason, all races).



DISCLAIMER: I support vote-by-mail and police reform. But I can also do math and I hate the narratives surrounding our culture wars.
EDIT: Both articles were posted by the Washington Post in the last 12 hours.

[trixstar]

6000 people have died in June already from COVID-19

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by trixstar

6000 people have died in June already from COVID-19, more than all of March

Thanks a lot protesters/rioters/looters and politicians that say it's ok to protest during the curve flattening times

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by trixstar

6000 people have died in June already from COVID-19

I'm not sure I follow. This is meant to enhance your position that ...

[trixstar]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm not sure I follow. This is meant to enhance your position that ...

Just seemed high to me. It's only been 8 days lol, just seems like we've given up on trying. Not saying one side is right or wrong. Numbers are oniy going to get worse due to the protests..


Anyway it's good to see Biden and some House Democrats out saying they don't support defunding the police. Now they just need to pass a bill including reforms and crackdowns on abuse of force and force the Senate to act on it and hopefully for Trump to veto it.

[natbornkiller]

anyone think this sometimes ?

[pejc300]

Honest question:

Can anyone send me an unbiased (I know, right?) legitimate source explaining the defunding of police forces and what it would mean? People keep saying it doesn't mean what it sounds like, but I'd like to learn more.

K, thanks, bye

[natbornkiller]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Honest question:

Can anyone send me an unbiased (I know, right?) legitimate source explaining the defunding of police forces and what it would mean? People keep saying it doesn't mean what it sounds like, but I'd like to learn more.

K, thanks, bye

if you like your doctor..............

[Wade Mulroy]

I can't speak for each state, but Florida's positive case numbers have risen as they've expanded testing. Their "testing positivity" rate is still around 4%, which is below the recommended rate needed for reopening.

A spike in cases can certainly be jarring, but the positivity rate is where the meaningful data will exist.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Wade Mulroy

I can't speak for each state, but Florida's positive case numbers have risen as they've expanded testing. Their "testing positivity" rate is still around 4%, which is below the recommended rate needed for reopening.

A spike in cases can certainly be jarring, but the positivity rate is where the meaningful data will exist.

Exactly. It's pointless to look at raw positive numbers. The rate is key.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by callou2131

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population. The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer. The chart is flawed.

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Ridiculous.

Post the same graph on violent arrests per race to offer the full picture, then show that the proportions are equal. A larger portion per capita of blacks are getting shot by police because a larger portion per capita of violent crimes are committed by blacks.

When you look at the numbers per race, it paints a different picture.

3 per 100,000 violent offender blacks are killed by police annually
4 per 100,000 violent offender whites are killed by police annually

In 2018, whites committed 3,953 murders. Blacks committed 4,778. When you take into account that the smaller population size is committing the larger portion of homicides, you can understand why their numbers blow out when confrontations with police occur.

Check rapes, check robberies, check assaults. They're all very dispropotionate when you consider whits outnumber blacks 5 to 1.

Happy to continue this discussion if you'd like, but if you wanna post the CNN propaganda nonsense to back whatever arguments you claim, it's not going to end well.

The truth paints a far different picture than the media. I am sure it is just an honest mistake.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Onions

The truth paints a far different picture than the media. I am sure it is just an honest mistake.

The sad thing is, no one can just come out and say this in public without being blasted.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Washington Post: “Minuscule number of potentially fraudulent ballots in states with universal mail voting undercuts Trump claims about election risks”

“...a Washington Post analysis of data collected by three vote-by-mail states with help from the nonprofit Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC) found that officials identified just 372 possible cases of double voting or voting on behalf of deceased people out of about 14.6 million votes cast by mail in the 2016 and 2018 general elections, or 0.0025 percent.”

Washington Post: ”Protests spread over police shootings. Police promised reforms. Every year, they still shoot and kill nearly 1,000 people.”

1,000 deaths-by-police (for any reason) out of 375 million annual police/civilian encounters comes out to 0.00000267%.

Question. Every. Narrative.

Drawing from the exact same source we can see that voter fraud is literally 1000x more common than death-by-police (for any reason, all races).



DISCLAIMER: I support vote-by-mail and police reform. But I can also do math and I hate the narratives surrounding our culture wars.
EDIT: Both articles were posted by the Washington Post in the last 12 hours.

With people rioting in the street they can definetly go vote in person now.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Honest question:

Can anyone send me an unbiased (I know, right?) legitimate source explaining the defunding of police forces and what it would mean? People keep saying it doesn't mean what it sounds like, but I'd like to learn more.

K, thanks, bye

Basically what most people mean when they want a police force "defunded" is to start over from scratch and completely alter the way the police operate. Instead of "the police" showing up to every call, you would have specially trained people who aren't armed deal with sexual and domestic abuse, specially trained people who aren't armed deal with traffic stops and accidents, then have specially trained people who are armed deal with violent crime. Most also want an end to "no-knock" warrants and the militarization of the police force. It doesn't mean abolish any type of "law enforcement", but a complete overhaul.

[free2131]

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by free2131

Basically what most people mean when they want a police force "defunded" is to start over from scratch and completely alter the way the police operate. Instead of "the police" showing up to every call, you would have specially trained people who aren't armed deal with sexual and domestic abuse, specially trained people who aren't armed deal with traffic stops and accidents, then have specially trained people who are armed deal with violent crime. Most also want an end to "no-knock" warrants and the militarization of the police force. It doesn't mean abolish any type of "law enforcement", but a complete overhaul.

The two bolded make no sense.

The police have been shot at during regular traffic stops and domestic issues.

[callou2131]

Originally Posted by free2131

Basically what most people mean when they want a police force "defunded" is to start over from scratch and completely alter the way the police operate. Instead of "the police" showing up to every call, you would have specially trained people who aren't armed deal with sexual and domestic abuse, specially trained people who aren't armed deal with traffic stops and accidents, then have specially trained people who are armed deal with violent crime. Most also want an end to "no-knock" warrants and the militarization of the police force. It doesn't mean abolish any type of "law enforcement", but a complete overhaul.

Sounds good in theory...however The calls that get out of hand, and quickly are domestics and traffic stops. Domestics are the most dangerous calls to go on.

[JustinVerlander07]

It's so upsetting that the goalposts on this nationally seem to be going from police brutality, to racism, to somehow, getting rid of the police?

It's so dumb. Let's focus on the problem of police brutality. Abolishing police would be stupid.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

I literally said they have more officers than before in my post.

I did say fewer at the start but they obviously had more with lower pay

Here's what you posted, before you edited:

".. Camden NJ who in 2013 disbanded, reimagined, and created the Camden County Police Department, with fewer officers, lower pay—and a strategic shift toward “community policing.”

Here's the actual part from the article you linked:

".. the Camden Police Department was disbanded, reimagined, and born again as the Camden County Police Department, with more officers at lower pay—and a strategic shift toward “community policing.”

The rest of the quote is almost identical. How does that happen?

[Onions]

Originally Posted by free2131

Basically what most people mean when they want a police force "defunded" is to start over from scratch and completely alter the way the police operate. Instead of "the police" showing up to every call, you would have specially trained people who aren't armed deal with sexual and domestic abuse, specially trained people who aren't armed deal with traffic stops and accidents, then have specially trained people who are armed deal with violent crime. Most also want an end to "no-knock" warrants and the militarization of the police force. It doesn't mean abolish any type of "law enforcement", but a complete overhaul.

A domestic incident is one of the most volatile, dangerous calls that PD respond to. Sending an unarmed psychiatrist to respond to a domestic call at 3 am does not sound ideal to me.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Just seemed high to me. It's only been 8 days lol, just seems like we've given up on trying. Not saying one side is right or wrong. Numbers are oniy going to get worse due to the protests..


Anyway it's good to see Biden and some House Democrats out saying they don't support defunding the police. Now they just need to pass a bill including reforms and crackdowns on abuse of force and force the Senate to act on it and hopefully for Trump to veto it.

I wonder why..