Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Yes but he said he would buy the set for $7k. It just makes so little sense to me if you are willing to pay $7k, why are you not just buying these at release?

Lack of interest to make continuous and dedicated purchases/time value of money/belief it will cost less in the future?

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by thenightman

And??? That's bad because you got in at card 87?

No first card I considered buying was Saladeen Griffey but I was going to buy 10 or 0 and bought 0. First one I bought was Jeter card 29 which was a huge mistake. I bought 20 and it was a $22-$25 card for weeks. So I stopped looking to buy. Had I bought any of the other first 40 cards I would probably have 10 packs of the vast majority of cards 40-86. As it stands I have I think 23 or 24 10 packs most from Ermsy Williams card 58 and up.

[LTLurker]

I have very bad news. I bought a bunch of thiele Trouts and was going to hold onto 1 and sell the rest (4) to pay for other cards....

I like the Thiele Trouts too much to sell any. Here’s to hoping I don’t fall in love with every Project 2020 card that comes in the mail.


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[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Lack of interest to make continuous and dedicated purchases/time value of money/belief it will cost less in the future?

Lack of interest to make purchases yet plenty of time to post in this thread daily...

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

Hopefully mine ships. Anyone have any luck with jcoombs2?

I bought one at $94, but kinda skeptical on it shipping, so just bought another one at $245. Worse case I have (2)

[Vagrant]

there's a heavy sense of FOMO around this product right now, but the success of the Trout will carry people into taking this set more seriously. it's a fantastic time for a print on demand product and this idea is innovative as it crosses the lines between art investment and sports card investment. if you don't believe in the long term viability of that, that's your prerogative. i will say this, five years ago you couldn't have paid me to store a case of late 80's early 90's "junk wax" and look at some of it now. the market doesn't always adhere to scarcity as the primary motivator for card prices. there have LONG since been rumors that in their infancy, UD used to print on demand in back door requests for the '89 Griffey. thousands and thousands and thousands. it hasn't measurably hurt the viability of that card comparatively to other major releases that probably have half the print run.

at the end of the day, there's no reason to feel so strongly about this release that you down talk it. especially if you aren't putting your money down on it. it's the same as the jasson dominguez business. it doesn't matter what other people pay for those. if they're happy, let them be happy. even if i think it's a poor investment, it's not my investment. best of luck to everyone on whatever side of the fence you're on.

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by justin80

That’s another one I’m holding. Sky is the limit!

Fucci Trout - vastly underrated. Seems most attention has been on Thiele and Baller's version (and of course Ermsy's). Seems cheap at $160.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Vagrant

there's a heavy sense of FOMO around this product right now, but the success of the Trout will carry people into taking this set more seriously. it's a fantastic time for a print on demand product and this idea is innovative as it crosses the lines between art investment and sports card investment. if you don't believe in the long term viability of that, that's your prerogative. i will say this, five years ago you couldn't have paid me to store a case of late 80's early 90's "junk wax" and look at some of it now. the market doesn't always adhere to scarcity as the primary motivator for card prices. there have LONG since been rumors that in their infancy, UD used to print on demand in back door requests for the '89 Griffey. thousands and thousands and thousands. it hasn't measurably hurt the viability of that card comparatively to other major releases that probably have half the print run.

at the end of the day, there's no reason to feel so strongly about this release that you down talk it. especially if you aren't putting your money down on it. it's the same as the jasson dominguez business. it doesn't matter what other people pay for those. if they're happy, let them be happy. even if i think it's a poor investment, it's not my investment. best of luck to everyone on whatever side of the fence you're on.

Amen brotha...!

[Bob Loblaw]

Originally Posted by CC_123

I wish the Ermsy Gibson's were in hand right now. I'd love to snag one of those, BUT you don't know what eBay members are going to cancel/not ship, etc. Especially when the delay Topps has getting these Project cards out the door. Seems like the purchase will be past the time allotted for an item not arrived claim, if needed.

I have 20 coming. Whatcha paying?

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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

This is a really confusing post to me. I find it hard to believe this set will ever be sold for less than MSRP. There will be very few complete sets as many of these low print run cards are already locked up in mini set collections of player/artist collectors.

I actually agree that these huge print run cards will bottom out. But there is way to much demand in this project for the lower print runs to fall below msrp. Heck the fact that you claim you want a set down the road shows the appeal these cards have. I can’t understand why someone who likes these cards and wants a set would not be buying these every day at the low bundle price. It seems saving $1k possibly on on the set is hardly worth the possibility of paying significantly above msrp in the future. It’s extremely shortsighted to think the upside savings, which is capped, would be greater than the downside potential cost in the future which is unlimited. I also struggle to understand why people with no interest in this project would spend time to post in a thread on an Internet forum such as this, but that seems to be happening as well. There must be an agenda there or what’s the point?

There are plenty of people just like me who have been buying from the beginning and have no intention of selling. That will limit the number of available cards considerably in the future, specifically for the lower print run cards.

To complete the set I’d have to set aside $7K for the year to do so at MSRP.

Rather than worry about the ups and downs on the market, rather than making sure I set aside $7K of my hobby money to make sure I complete it, I’ll just pick it up down the line.

I’ve yet to see a set in the hobby that I couldn’t pick up cheaper in total than buying the sum of the parts individually.

As it stands there are a total of 1065 total sets that could potentially be made (honestly lower than I thought when the product was announced). I’m confident the set will be worth less than MSRP in 5 years.

If it’s like any of the other print to demand sets, the money makers will have bought multiple to free ride sets. They’ll have made their money during the process and be less concerned about making top-dollar on the set (my LCS is ordering in batches of 20 and has done this with every print on demand set since eTopps). They’ll be available.

Essentially, I didn’t want to commit $7K from the jump. If I’m wrong and have to buy a set for $10K down the road that’s alright as well. I doubt I’ll have to though. I suspect most cards from here on out will have negative equity on the set as a whole, so even if the Ermsy Torut is “x” over MSRP, the vast majority will sell for less than MSRP long term and bring the sum of the parts down.

I could be wrong. I would have bet my life that no card from this set would have reached $1K, let alone multiple cards surpassing that and some shooting over $1K like it’s nothing. I’ve been wrong a bunch in my life.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Lack of interest to make purchases yet plenty of time to post in this thread daily...

I purchased a handful.

[sportsfan12345]

Are people buying to collect or for presale?

Is the boat missed or do people think prices will continue to rise?

[kevbojones]

Lots of deflated egos on this thread today.

[Peteybass]

Had my 4th cancellation. Been doing some pro-active things to avoid this situation. Probably will let this one just go as hes the first seller that seemed sincere and manned up.

Hello,

Wish I didn't have to write this. But I can no longer fill your order for the Topps Project 2020 Card's. I purchased all my Topps 2020 cards through a person on an Online Message board. A person that I have done this with before and have had no issues. He makes a larger purchase so we can all get a discount from Topps. So the cards that I didn't want to keep, I list on ebay. He just refunded all my orders and sent me a message saying that he can not fill the orders. My guess is that he is going to resale and make money off all of them. Again I'm sorry and I should have never listed the card without having it in hand. You should see a refund in your Paypal account within the hour. I understand if you want to leave negative feedback or file a claim with ebay. I understand. Again I'm sorry. Thanks

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by BurnerNotify

Fucci Trout - vastly underrated. Seems most attention has been on Thiele and Baller's version (and of course Ermsy's). Seems cheap at $160.

What is print run on Fucci? I just think the Thiele and Baller look so much better. Obviously it's art and people will have different opinions on the looks.

[spmgeaux]

If I've got $1500 or so to put into this project, and looking for in-hand cards only, what are y'alls thoughts? I'm pretty well covered on Griffey, Jeter, and Trout, so would be looking for some of the others - Gwynn, Rivera, Mays, Williams, Brett etc. that could be waiting to blow up. Would be looking for 5-7 cards probably. In general terms I like Beck, Ermsy, Efdot, Blake, Chang, Cartoon. Any ideas for a lot/plan to target? I'll hang up and listen. Thanks!

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by Peteybass

Had my 4th cancellation. Been doing some pro-active things to avoid this situation. Probably will let this one just go as hes the first seller that seemed sincere and manned up.

Hello,

Wish I didn't have to write this. But I can no longer fill your order for the Topps Project 2020 Card's. I purchased all my Topps 2020 cards through a person on an Online Message board. A person that I have done this with before and have had no issues. He makes a larger purchase so we can all get a discount from Topps. So the cards that I didn't want to keep, I list on ebay. He just refunded all my orders and sent me a message saying that he can not fill the orders. My guess is that he is going to resale and make money off all of them. Again I'm sorry and I should have never listed the card without having it in hand. You should see a refund in your Paypal account within the hour. I understand if you want to leave negative feedback or file a claim with ebay. I understand. Again I'm sorry. Thanks

Tough call. I would leave a negative.

[Soxfanguy]

Blake has the Fanny, King has the Money Bear, Fucci is probably going to do something with Boobs I bet

[The Accountant]

Originally Posted by spmgeaux

If I've got $1500 or so to put into this project, and looking for in-hand cards only, what are y'alls thoughts? I'm pretty well covered on Griffey, Jeter, and Trout, so would be looking for some of the others - Gwynn, Rivera, Mays, Williams, Brett etc. that could be waiting to blow up. Would be looking for 5-7 cards probably. In general terms I like Beck, Ermsy, Efdot, Blake, Chang, Cartoon. Any ideas for a lot/plan to target? I'll hang up and listen. Thanks!

Grab a Blake Mattingly

[BurnerNotify]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Blake has the Fanny, King has the Money Bear, Fucci is probably going to do something with Boobs I bet

I wouldn't mind grabbing one then...haha.

[AlexHunter]

It’s official!

Efdot’s Tony Gwynn drops tomorrow!!!!

Here’s his post on patreon, with the bottom Edge of the card visible for your viewing pleasure!

Hit up [mention]efdot [/mention]on Patreon to see the full reveal, as well as a link to the video of him actually creating/finishing the card.

Checkout Efdotstudio.com for his other artwork and prints as well. This card is gonna POP!




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[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by Vagrant

there's a heavy sense of FOMO around this product right now, but the success of the Trout will carry people into taking this set more seriously. it's a fantastic time for a print on demand product and this idea is innovative as it crosses the lines between art investment and sports card investment. if you don't believe in the long term viability of that, that's your prerogative. i will say this, five years ago you couldn't have paid me to store a case of late 80's early 90's "junk wax" and look at some of it now. the market doesn't always adhere to scarcity as the primary motivator for card prices. there have LONG since been rumors that in their infancy, UD used to print on demand in back door requests for the '89 Griffey. thousands and thousands and thousands. it hasn't measurably hurt the viability of that card comparatively to other major releases that probably have half the print run.

at the end of the day, there's no reason to feel so strongly about this release that you down talk it. especially if you aren't putting your money down on it. it's the same as the jasson dominguez business. it doesn't matter what other people pay for those. if they're happy, let them be happy. even if i think it's a poor investment, it's not my investment. best of luck to everyone on whatever side of the fence you're on.

Lots of POMO too

[mlc3423]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Just sold another Fucci Fish for $160 in 5 minutes.


I cannot believe I'll cover my 75 card buy in with just 8 more sales. I'll just ride it out to the bottom or use them as fortified shelter at my new freeway underpass getaway.

You could display them in your Baskin Robbins Stall

[Stekers]

Originally Posted by Peteybass

Had my 4th cancellation. Been doing some pro-active things to avoid this situation. Probably will let this one just go as hes the first seller that seemed sincere and manned up.

Hello,

Wish I didn't have to write this. But I can no longer fill your order for the Topps Project 2020 Card's. I purchased all my Topps 2020 cards through a person on an Online Message board. A person that I have done this with before and have had no issues. He makes a larger purchase so we can all get a discount from Topps. So the cards that I didn't want to keep, I list on ebay. He just refunded all my orders and sent me a message saying that he can not fill the orders. My guess is that he is going to resale and make money off all of them. Again I'm sorry and I should have never listed the card without having it in hand. You should see a refund in your Paypal account within the hour. I understand if you want to leave negative feedback or file a claim with ebay. I understand. Again I'm sorry. Thanks

If that’s true all the money he lost he could care less about the negative

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

To complete the set I’d have to set aside $7K for the year to do so at MSRP.

Rather than worry about the ups and downs on the market, rather than making sure I set aside $7K of my hobby money to make sure I complete it, I’ll just pick it up down the line.

I’ve yet to see a set in the hobby that I couldn’t pick up cheaper in total than buying the sum of the parts individually.

As it stands there are a total of 1065 total sets that could potentially be made (honestly lower than I thought when the product was announced). I’m confident the set will be worth less than MSRP in 5 years.

If it’s like any of the other print to demand sets, the money makers will have bought multiple to free ride sets. They’ll have made their money during the process and be less concerned about making top-dollar on the set (my LCS is ordering in batches of 20 and has done this with every print on demand set since eTopps). They’ll be available.

Essentially, I didn’t want to commit $7K from the jump. If I’m wrong and have to buy a set for $10K down the road that’s alright as well. I doubt I’ll have to though. I suspect most cards from here on out will have negative equity on the set as a whole, so even if the Ermsy Torut is “x” over MSRP, the vast majority will sell for less than MSRP long term and bring the sum of the parts down.

I could be wrong. I would have bet my life that no card from this set would have reached $1K, let alone multiple cards surpassing that and some shooting over $1K like it’s nothing. I’ve been wrong a bunch in my life.

Understood, appreciate the response. I would be shocked if the entire set could be had for less than $10k going forward. And that’s coming from someone with no interest in the entire set. This project, unlike any other I have ever seen, can be collected in so many ways that complete sets will likely be extremely rare due to the artist/player differentiation. I am committing $1200 to 3 artist sets. Seems like a no brainer for something that gets me as excited as this has! Will look great in my wall display!!! I admittedly geek out waiting for the next card released by one of the artists I am collecting.