First Buzz: 2020 Topps Update baseball cards - Page 8

rob80 · 10-15-2020, 03:49 PM

When does the checklist normally get released?

Handsome Wes · 10-15-2020, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rob80

When does the checklist normally get released?

Ha. Glad to see I am not the only one who has been obsessively checking around all day for the checklist release.

cj828282 · 10-17-2020, 01:45 PM

Looks like this is now coming out November 6? Which could also delay TCU.

rlriii13 · 10-18-2020, 08:26 PM

I've been waiting for the checklist as well. What are the odds it gets pushed back again?

cg5 · 10-18-2020, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rlriii13

I've been waiting for the checklist as well. What are the odds it gets pushed back again?

Topps has been releasing checklists only a few days before on pretty much all their releases, so I would suspect this continues. I think i remember them stating that would become common practice moving forward when it comes to checklist posting. I doubt anything surfaces until the week of scheduled release.

warrenwolk · 10-27-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rlriii13

I've been waiting for the checklist as well. What are the odds it gets pushed back again?

ZERO. Dealer's accounts have already been charged by Topps.

ddearing · 10-19-2020, 08:48 PM

So - dude on eBay has presold 950+ blasters of this for $19.97 with free shipping already. What are the odds that we think those are going to actually ship?

mfw13 · 10-19-2020, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ddearing

So - dude on eBay has presold 950+ blasters of this for $19.97 with free shipping already. What are the odds that we think those are going to actually ship?

Don't worry, he's probably a executive for Excel....

twohitta · 10-19-2020, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ddearing

So - dude on eBay has presold 950+ blasters of this for $19.97 with free shipping already. What are the odds that we think those are going to actually ship?

Ordered multiple pre sells from this seller in the past and they have always shipped within the week of the release date. Think someone had some info on him in another thread, but he definitely has a relationship with Topps as a distributor or something. Stadium Club blasters he sold close to a 1000 if I’m not mistaken and I got mine no issue.

PDCCollectibles · 10-27-2020, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ddearing

So - dude on eBay has presold 950+ blasters of this for $19.97 with free shipping already. What are the odds that we think those are going to actually ship?

Cost is a good bit lower for Blasters at the dist level.....especially if over 1k are pre ordered....

warrenwolk · 10-27-2020, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

Cost is a good bit lower for Blasters at the dist level.....especially if over 1k are pre ordered....

It should be.

Pollo Asado · 10-21-2020, 10:44 AM

Catching up on this thread has pushed me into more 2020 TC and sapphire singles.

Does Topps actually NEED to do anything here to fill out the update set? Not much incentive with the way things are currently selling out

premium1981 · 10-21-2020, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pollo Asado

Catching up on this thread has pushed me into more 2020 TC and sapphire singles.

Does Topps actually NEED to do anything here to fill out the update set? Not much incentive with the way things are currently selling out

Short term? No, they don't need to do anything. The problem is when everyone gets it in hand, and realize that its full of doggy dooty. It is the secondary market that takes the hit. The uneducated people who "locked in". Those are the ones it hurts. Topps doesn't care. They sell everything they produce.

It's a common misconception. Topps makes the distributors take their products. All of it. Hot product or dud product doesn't directly change their bottom line. It indirectly changes it based on future demand and orders.

marlinsmaniac20 · 10-27-2020, 11:09 AM

Do we have any updates yet? Or is this going to be a dumpster fire?

ClevelandIC · 10-27-2020, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by marlinsmaniac20

Do we have any updates yet? Or is this going to be a dumpster fire?

Update is my favorite set every year. Aside from The Top 30 prospect set, a potential Arozarena base Rays rookie and the Rookie Debuts I just don't have much to get excited about. I'll be buying 2019 Update boxes/cases and 2020 Sapphire with my Update budget.

Handsome Wes · 10-27-2020, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marlinsmaniac20

Do we have any updates yet? Or is this going to be a dumpster fire?

I wouldn’t go full ‘dumpster fire’ just yet. I have to hope the checklist will be released by Monday at the latest...

Handsome Wes · 10-30-2020, 06:18 PM

Seriously? No checklist yet?

Ugh.

I did see that Topps delayed the release of three other sets, but not Update, so maybe there is still hope that everything is still on track.

LVDan · 10-30-2020, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Seriously? No checklist yet?

Ugh.

I did see that Topps delayed the release of three other sets, but not Update, so maybe there is still hope that everything is still on track.

I believe we’ll see it a couple days before release, if that.

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dani0100 · 10-30-2020, 07:45 PM

Welp, I bit the bullet and claimed my pre-orders of hobby at $1300 a pop. I see it's selling now for $1450 - $1500 a case, so at least I've got that.

I'm hoping against hope that maybe they stuck some SP flagship RCs in there like they did with Vlad in 2019 Series 2. It would be unusual, but what isn't in 2020?

Zauron · 10-31-2020, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dani0100

Welp, I bit the bullet and claimed my pre-orders of hobby at $1300 a pop. I see it's selling now for $1450 - $1500 a case, so at least I've got that.

I'm hoping against hope that maybe they stuck some SP flagship RCs in there like they did with Vlad in 2019 Series 2. It would be unusual, but what isn't in 2020?

No way is this product worth opening at those price points. Good lord.

dcarado · 10-31-2020, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

No way is this product worth opening at those price points. Good lord.

Everyone keeps attributing the jacked-up prices to breakers, which I tend to agree with for the most part, but how does this make any sense with flagship? I don't know any breakers who group-break flagship. Are there really people buying cases of this at these price points? I know 2019 is not 2020, but I felt like I overpaid last year for my $750 jumbo case of 19 update.

Davidellias · 10-30-2020, 11:33 PM

I'll be curious what they do with no ASG being played.

Also, whose been confirmed for rookies?

There's a ton of good rookies that could be put in Update, but also could be put in 21 S1. I think Tsutsugo would be the only on all but confirmed right now right, given he was in Archives and thats usually the first indicator of rookies in Update?

But seriously any rumors about Cronenwit, Bohm, Adell, Dalbec.....?

Remmons22 · 10-31-2020, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Davidellias

I'll be curious what they do with no ASG being played.

Also, whose been confirmed for rookies?

There's a ton of good rookies that could be put in Update, but also could be put in 21 S1. I think Tsutsugo would be the only on all but confirmed right now right, given he was in Archives and thats usually the first indicator of rookies in Update?

But seriously any rumors about Cronenwit, Bohm, Adell, Dalbec.....?

Jo Adell is already confirmed to be in 2021 S1 so he won't have a RC in this (but will have an insert in this).

dani0100 · 10-31-2020, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Davidellias

I'll be curious what they do with no ASG being played.

Also, whose been confirmed for rookies?

There's a ton of good rookies that could be put in Update, but also could be put in 21 S1. I think Tsutsugo would be the only on all but confirmed right now right, given he was in Archives and thats usually the first indicator of rookies in Update?

But seriously any rumors about Cronenwit, Bohm, Adell, Dalbec.....?

The problem with this product is that the normal date by which a player must have made a debut to be included in this set (roughly, sometime in June, in a normal year) was already over once the very late season started (in late July). So, theoretically, there could be zero rookies in this thing, minus perhaps a few scrub relief pitchers or something that debuted in 2019 and didn't make it into the dumpster fire that is 2020 Series 2, or any earlier flagship sets.

If, by some miracle, Topps extended the cutoff date for a player to have made a debut and get included in a 2020 flagship product to, say, July 31, 2020, then, as an example, you'd have RCs of:

Evan White (7/23)
Leody Taveras (7/24)
Brady Singer (7/25)
Jake Cronenworth (7/26)
Nate Pearson (7/29)
Nick Madrigal (7/31)

Now, interestingly, Luis Robert debuted on 7/24 and was included in Topps Series 2 (released 6/26), so clearly Topps has the ability to make guesses about who will debut in the future, and whether to include those players in products that have to be printed in advance of their debut. But, I doubt they saw any particular player's debut as inevitable as of June 2020, when they likely had to finalize the print order for this product.

I think the real question is: how will Topps dole out the flood of top-tier prospects that debuted in 2020 after Aug. 1 in their 2021 products. If most or all are in Series 1, that's going to be a very hot ticket. If they save some of the later folks for Series 2, then both products could be very solid. Then Topps Update will contain, as normal, the prospects that debut on or before June 2021.

BTW, if you want to see a list of players and their 2020 debut dates, you can go to https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...0-debuts.shtml and then click the "Debut" column header to sort by debut date.

HarryLime · 10-31-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dani0100

Now, interestingly, Luis Robert debuted on 7/24 and was included in Topps Series 2 (released 6/26), so clearly Topps has the ability to make guesses about who will debut in the future, and whether to include those players in products that have to be printed in advance of their debut. But, I doubt they saw any particular player's debut as inevitable as of June 2020, when they likely had to finalize the print order for this product.

Topps could include Robert because he signed a contract that put him on the 25-man roster, guaranteeing he would be playing whenever baseball started again. That's why MLB allowed Topps to move forward with Robert cards.

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Just spit balling here, and I have no idea if this could happen but what if topps just released rookie debuts in update and left the rookie cards for 2021 series 1?

Rookie Debut cards being in-demand two years in a row? Hell would freeze over.

Arthur

10-15-2020, 03:49 PM	#1
rob80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 759 dj-relik	When does the checklist normally get released? __________________ Wants: Comics ( Keys, CGC, Artgerm/Parillo/Mattina/Dell'Otto covers) Check my eBay, tons more listed there.

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ddearing Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 3,818 vintage-dan ddearing	So - dude on eBay has presold 950+ blasters of this for $19.97 with free shipping already. What are the odds that we think those are going to actually ship? __________________ If you have to explain why it's a 1/1, then it's NOT a 1/1. Looking for Andre Dawson Serial numbered cards that are his jersey number - either #8 or #10. So looking for cards like 8/8 or 08/99 or 10/250.

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marlinsmaniac20 Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: New York, NY Posts: 2,520 chromegems	Do we have any updates yet? Or is this going to be a dumpster fire? __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/156240216@N05/ If you need to repost your "quicksale" 3 times, it's not a quicksale

10-17-2020, 01:45 PM	#3
cj828282 Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 13,967	Looks like this is now coming out November 6? Which could also delay TCU.

10-18-2020, 08:26 PM	#4
rlriii13 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 103	I've been waiting for the checklist as well. What are the odds it gets pushed back again?

10-21-2020, 10:44 AM	#12
Pollo Asado Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 30	Catching up on this thread has pushed me into more 2020 TC and sapphire singles. Does Topps actually NEED to do anything here to fill out the update set? Not much incentive with the way things are currently selling out

10-30-2020, 06:18 PM	#17
Handsome Wes Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 943	Seriously? No checklist yet? Ugh. I did see that Topps delayed the release of three other sets, but not Update, so maybe there is still hope that everything is still on track.

10-30-2020, 07:45 PM	#19
dani0100 Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Fargo, ND Posts: 680	Welp, I bit the bullet and claimed my pre-orders of hobby at $1300 a pop. I see it's selling now for $1450 - $1500 a case, so at least I've got that. I'm hoping against hope that maybe they stuck some SP flagship RCs in there like they did with Vlad in 2019 Series 2. It would be unusual, but what isn't in 2020?

10-30-2020, 11:33 PM	#22
Davidellias Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 280	I'll be curious what they do with no ASG being played. Also, whose been confirmed for rookies? There's a ton of good rookies that could be put in Update, but also could be put in 21 S1. I think Tsutsugo would be the only on all but confirmed right now right, given he was in Archives and thats usually the first indicator of rookies in Update? But seriously any rumors about Cronenwit, Bohm, Adell, Dalbec.....?