2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

The irony of you calling out members for saying you're on their mind, while you are consistently focused on any and every perceived negative about Trump, is amusing.

Perceived?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

The irony of you calling out members for saying you're on their mind, while you are consistently focused on any and every perceived negative about Trump, is amusing.

I am just saying what I am seeing. Just like Trump, you see what only you want and ignore the truth.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Perceived?

Real, perceived, and implied future negatives.

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I am just saying what I am seeing. Just like Trump, you see what only you want and ignore the truth.

You really don't see the irony?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

Real, perceived, and implied future negatives.



You really don't see the irony?

I heard the nonsense at that press conference.

Do you think it is appropriate of Trump to speak about Flynn and calling FBI investigators scum during a public health conference?

[spuds1961]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I heard the nonsense at that press conference.

Do you think it is appropriate of Trump to speak about Flynn and calling FBI investigators scum during a public health conference?

He needs Sarah back Hugely.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I heard the nonsense at that press conference.

Do you think it is appropriate of Trump to speak about Flynn and calling FBI investigators scum during a public health conference?

Lol.. I think you're calling the kettle black. "you see what only you want and ignore the truth"

If it's without being provoked and completely out of left field, sure. If it's with no context or a complete exaggeration, like with Paula Reid, that's different.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by rman112

Lol.. I think you're calling the kettle black. "you see what only you want and ignore the truth"

If it's without being provoked and completely out of left field, sure. If it's with no context or a complete exaggeration, like with Paula Reid, that's different.

I don't know about you, but what President has ever acted like this every single day of his Presidency? Is he that thin-skinned that he is unable to handle questions that are not complimentary of him? As soon as a tough question is asked, he calls them Fake News and will go off on a tangent without answering.

Like I stated in the past, I was an Independent until 2016. I have voted Republican and hold some of the yesteryear Republican values (you know, before they became the mess of the last several years).

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by discostu

Our company has been locked out of our building for a month. We paid a month of payroll out of our pocket, and after Wells Fargo absolutely screwed the pooch with their small business customers, we let everyone go on Monday/Wednesday.

Why did we let them go? We have no revenue to pay them and no work for them to do. As a company, the sole reason we sought PPP funds was to keep our employees on payroll, nothing more.

If the stimulus went completely to actual humans, there's no need to provide something like PPP.

If we're going to dance with socialism, keep it for humans only. Enough of this cronyism crap. Businesses can and should die.

Out of curiosity, what industry are you in, and will your business be able to make it through much longer of a shut down? No offense if you decline to answer. I'm just trying to get a bigger feeling of how people and companies are being impacted.

I guess I'm kind of in a bubble, as most people I know are either in construction, agriculture, education, or healthcare. And those aren't terribly impacted. Although the latest shelter in place order from a local county prohibits all construction unless it supports infrastructure or is a rebuild of housing lost in a wildfire. We're a couple types of subcontractors, and have varied over the last month from nobody working, to maybe about half the crew working.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I don't know about you, but what President has ever acted like this every single day of his Presidency? Is he that thin-skinned that he is unable to handle questions that are not complimentary of him? As soon as a tough question is asked, he calls them Fake News and will go off on a tangent without answering.

Like I stated in the past, I was an Independent until 2016. I have voted Republican and hold some of the yesteryear Republican values (you know, before they became the mess of the last several years).

I voted for him in large part because he wasn't a politician.

Hanging on someone's every word just seems pointless, especially when you turn into something just to dislike how they act or what they say.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I don't know about you, but what President has ever acted like this every single day of his Presidency? Is he that thin-skinned that he is unable to handle questions that are not complimentary of him? As soon as a tough question is asked, he calls them Fake News and will go off on a tangent without answering.

Like I stated in the past, I was an Independent until 2016. I have voted Republican and hold some of the yesteryear Republican values (you know, before they became the mess of the last several years).

Its cool man he is not your president.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

I voted for him in large part because he wasn't a politician.

Hanging on someone's every word just seems pointless, especially when you turn into something just to dislike how they act or what they say.

I tune in for valuable information possibly necessary for my survival.
A politician could deliver that, like Pence does, without subjecting us to his own petty, unrelated b.s. which is all Heel reported, those simple, unfortunate facts.

Maybe you missed it, but Trump called himself a politician during one of these the other day. He wishes. Politicians know how to communicate with people who aren't bowing down to them.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by rman112

I voted for him in large part because he wasn't a politician.

Hanging on someone's every word just seems pointless, especially when you turn into something just to dislike how they act or what they say.

I agree, actions are what matter most.

I am interested in an open and honest discussion regarding Trump and his actions in regards to the following topics:

1) Continual and ongoing violations of the Emoluments clause due to not placing his businesses in a blind trust

2) Soliciting foreign (in some cases from hostile entities) interference in elections via all manner of tactics, including open declaration and direct personal conversation verified via released transcript

3) Engaging in a poorly executed trade/tariff war which directly caused the Federal government to more heavily subsidize several industries, including agriculture, which contributed to exacerbated growth in the deficit

I'm not looking for a fight, I just want honest, unfiltered takes on those topics that are reasonable and rational.

[jdandns]

You won't accept as an entire response:

MAGA2020

or

So, TDS, hm?


...cuz that's largely what this lot's got.

For my part, yeah, all of those things happened and are terrible.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by jdandns

You won't accept as an entire response:

MAGA2020

or

So, TDS, hm?


...cuz that's largely what this lot's got.

For my part, yeah, all of those things happened and are terrible.

You forgot something about the dims, using an "i" instead of an "e" to really show them who's boss. Plus, a after every post. Can't forget that.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by rman112

I voted for him in large part because he wasn't a politician.

Sometimes having a fresh prospective is good. It can add new ideas and a different way of doing things. Putting a non-politician in office wasn't a bad idea and I can see the appeal of it.

The problem was the guy they put in. He's a textbook narcissist with an extreme inferiority complex. He can't stand to be wrong and will lash out and anyone and anything he perceives to be a slight against him, even if it is a legitimate concern.

I will give you that sometimes the media do try to stir him up, but it's because they know they can get a reaction out of him and make headlines. It's one thing to hold your ground and fight back against that, and another to lose your temper and act like a petulant child, which is how he handles a lot of those confrontations.

People say that's what they like about him, yet it's something they'd never allow their child to get away with. Can it be entertaining? Yeah, it sure can be. Is that the kind of person that needs to be leading our country? Absolutely not, Republican or Democrat.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Its cool man he is not your president.

Witty as usual.

Btw, I never ever said that. He has been my President since Jan 21?, 2017. Hopefully, late next January he won’t be.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by free2131

Sometimes having a fresh prospective is good. It can add new ideas and a different way of doing things. Putting a non-politician in office wasn't a bad idea and I can see the appeal of it.

The problem was the guy they put in. He's a textbook narcissist with an extreme inferiority complex. He can't stand to be wrong and will lash out and anyone and anything he perceives to be a slight against him, even if it is a legitimate concern.

I will give you that sometimes the media do try to stir him up, but it's because they know they can get a reaction out of him and make headlines. It's one thing to hold your ground and fight back against that, and another to lose your temper and act like a petulant child, which is how he handles a lot of those confrontations.

People say that's what they like about him, yet it's something they'd never allow their child to get away with. Can it be entertaining? Yeah, it sure can be. Is that the kind of person that needs to be leading our country? Absolutely not, Republican or Democrat.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I agree, actions are what matter most.

I am interested in an open and honest discussion regarding Trump and his actions in regards to the following topics:

1) Continual and ongoing violations of the Emoluments clause due to not placing his businesses in a blind trust

2) Soliciting foreign (in some cases from hostile entities) interference in elections via all manner of tactics, including open declaration and direct personal conversation verified via released transcript

3) Engaging in a poorly executed trade/tariff war which directly caused the Federal government to more heavily subsidize several industries, including agriculture, which contributed to exacerbated growth in the deficit

I'm not looking for a fight, I just want honest, unfiltered takes on those topics that are reasonable and rational.

The only one of those that I had in any of those was the Russian interference, and it was wildly overblown. Maybe someone else here wants to take you up on your offer.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Pete Schweddy

Out of curiosity, what industry are you in, and will your business be able to make it through much longer of a shut down? No offense if you decline to answer. I'm just trying to get a bigger feeling of how people and companies are being impacted.

I guess I'm kind of in a bubble, as most people I know are either in construction, agriculture, education, or healthcare. And those aren't terribly impacted. Although the latest shelter in place order from a local county prohibits all construction unless it supports infrastructure or is a rebuild of housing lost in a wildfire. We're a couple types of subcontractors, and have varied over the last month from nobody working, to maybe about half the crew working.

Jewelry retail, design and white label jewelry manufacturing, in Los Angeles.

The business will survive, but we've always operated on stable ground. No loans, no debt, etc. and I'm fully aware that we're fortunate. We paid our six in-house employees in full for the last month while we worked through the PPP mess that Wells Fargo left us in. They were furloughed on Monday/Wednesday.

The hope is that they are brought back on by EOD tomorrow once we get confirmation that a fintech company obtained our PPP loan from that initial $349 billion.

Regarding my belief that the money shouldn't have gone to businesses, I feel that if the employees and owners got money to whether the storm, the business could simply hibernate. The business doesn't work without humans...so if we aren't working...the business doesn't need money. Just the people.

Again, I'm fully aware that we're in a rare spot and that there are countless businesses that are heavily leveraged and laden with debt and declining sales even prior to this Coronavirus nightmare.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by free2131

Sometimes having a fresh prospective is good. It can add new ideas and a different way of doing things. Putting a non-politician in office wasn't a bad idea and I can see the appeal of it.

The problem was the guy they put in. He's a textbook narcissist with an extreme inferiority complex. He can't stand to be wrong and will lash out and anyone and anything he perceives to be a slight against him, even if it is a legitimate concern.

I will give you that sometimes the media do try to stir him up, but it's because they know they can get a reaction out of him and make headlines. It's one thing to hold your ground and fight back against that, and another to lose your temper and act like a petulant child, which is how he handles a lot of those confrontations.

People say that's what they like about him, yet it's something they'd never allow their child to get away with. Can it be entertaining? Yeah, it sure can be. Is that the kind of person that needs to be leading our country? Absolutely not, Republican or Democrat.

Politcians spend their entire career crafting an imagine that keeps their sh*ttiness hidden, and behind closed doors. Trump's is out in the open.

The one thing that people seem to get so wrong about Trump supporters is that they need to support him as a whole, or that they even act like that all the time themselves.

Love him or hate him, he has a way of getting people's true selves to come to the surface. People hate that, because they want to present a certain of themselves. The problem is that it's far too often complete BS. People try so incredibly hard to bury their own human nature. Trump seems to bring that to light. How many times have we seen someone claim to be a moral champion, yet when the opportunity to hurt Trump comes, suddenly none of that matters anymore? It was all a facade to convince themselves and others.

The main reason I voted him is because of the unabashed assault on human nature that was going on from around 2014 until he got elected. Remember the "Up is Down, Men are Women.. Don't agree? Screw you racist!" It was all based around the idea that we ourselves are wrong. Liberalism is essentially the constant pushback against our own human nature.

[rman112]

Also, the idea that the media *sometimes* tries to provoke him is way understated.

We're in a climate where supporting the President is seen as something that immediately needs to be shot down and viewed as bad and wrong. Think about that. Even to the point where using an insult used by the leader of North Korea (North Korea!!!) is seen as being better, and in the right. It's all so backwards.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

The one thing that people seem to get so wrong about Trump supporters is that they need to support him as a whole, or that they even act like that all the time themselves.

Forgiving occasional foibles are one thing, especially if someone caught doing misdeeds at least tries to be contrite.

Supporting someone so constantly rotten who doesn't even apologize when caught red-handed goes beyond mere condoning. It's enabling.

Look, man, at what you have helped Trump to do.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Forgiving occasional foibles are one thing, especially if someone caught doing misdeeds at least tries to be contrite.

Supporting someone so constantly rotten who doesn't even apologize when caught red-handed goes beyond mere condoning. It's enabling.

Look, man, at what you have helped Trump to do.

Lol.. You came to mind as a specific example of the moral champion that has shown himself to be completely full of crap.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by rman112

Lol.. You came to mind as a specific example of the moral champion that has shown himself to be completely full of crap.

How's that?
What have I done wrong?

[rman112]

Originally Posted by jdandns

How's that?
I haven't done anything wrong.

Lol .. You tried so hard to brush off after being ripped for your Biden sexual assault comments. Anything to protect the grander image of yourself you choose to promote to yourself and others.