Corona Virus

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I have never advocated for the criminal prosecution of journalists......

......but seeing as how several media institutions have intentionally muddied the waters on the only treatments currently showing effectiveness, that seems beyond negligent to me.

The latest global survey released three days ago shows that 1 in 3 physicians treating COVID-19 have prescribed hydroxychloroquine. They also rated hydroxychloroquine as the most effective treatment option they had observed.

No ones claiming that it’s a “silver bullet,” but we’re talking about an anti-malarial that has been used to treat a range of conditions for 60+ years and that has shown enough signs of producing some positive effects that doctors around the world feel comfortable prescribing it.

Why isn’t that in the headlines?

Gotta keep people scared as long as possible!

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

They don't blow up any argument, all they do is prove that you're unable to grasp what is going on right now.

Tons of people are dying right now who would not be dying if not for this virus, period. That is a flat out fact that is indisputable and your questions are trying to minimize that fact.

To use your favorite person's favorite phrase.

SAD!

Again until you recognize the fact the same amount of people are dying that would be dying if there were no corona virus, means simply that while this is new, it isn't worth shutting down the country over.

What is SAD is the fact that all those 'other lives' lost to other battles are irrelevant to you and others who use this same argument because it doesnt forward your agenda.

Just like the live affected (Many more then 60k) are worth less then lives lost. You essentially admit that human life isn't equal. Again...because it doesn't fit your agenda.

To answer the question that you cannot.

60,000 people which is now the projected max---is .00016% of the population. The daily average deaths in America is again 8000. So over the course of a 365 day year at max, Corona will account for about a week of deaths, less then cancer, heart disease etc. All which you dont give 2 poops about. But keep writing books and trying to twist things to your agenda....if your going to stick to something, at least be good at it!

[Boo]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

They don't blow up any argument, all they do is prove that you're unable to grasp what is going on right now.

Tons of people are dying right now who would not be dying if not for this virus, period. That is a flat out fact that is indisputable and your questions are trying to minimize that fact.

To use your favorite person's favorite phrase.

SAD!

"Tons". Lmao

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Talk about your classic case of not understanding what is going on and/or pure naivety about how it takes time for the virus to go from initial cases to causing problems such as widespread deaths.

Sure, it's been 2 months since it showed up here, but about 10K of those deaths have been in the last week and about all but 1K of them have been over the last 2 weeks. So to say 13K over 2 months is just a joke of a statement and trying to make it sound like it's less of a problem then it is right now.

Through March 30th we hadn't passed 560 deaths in one day and since then we haven't dropped below 912 with only 2 days at less than 1,000 in a day.

We're already at close to 1,400 deaths today and it's not even noon yet in parts of the country, we might go from no days of 2,000 deaths and right into 3,000 in a day today. Right now Italy still has the most deaths at around 17.5K and have had decreasing rates for about a week now, while we very possibly (if not probably) will have that many deaths in the next 7 days by themselves.

Trying to still minimize the death rate impact this is having right now is just sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, it's just so frustrating to see people still saying, "but in 2 months we still only have 13,000 deaths" when in reality it's, we've had 10,000 deaths in a week and will more than double that rate over the next week. Particularly when it's the same people who have been against the closing down of everything, could you imagine the death toll if that hadn't been going on for almost the past month in many places?

Why do you come back only to demean people? I mean seriously if someone says something that goes against your opinion then all you want to do is make them look like some sort of clueless idiot. Maybe you should take some of this time you have and help the cause like making masks or doing good deeds for people, etc. and with that I will head back to work...

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Why do you come back only to demean people? I mean seriously if someone says something that goes against your opinion then all you want to do is make them look like some sort of clueless idiot. Maybe you should take some of this time you have and help the cause like making masks or doing good deeds for people, etc. and with that I will head back to work...

When the guys on your own side stop defending you.....its a sign. One he doesn't see.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Talk about your classic case of not understanding what is going on and/or pure naivety about how it takes time for the virus to go from initial cases to causing problems such as widespread deaths.

Sure, it's been 2 months since it showed up here, but about 10K of those deaths have been in the last week and about all but 1K of them have been over the last 2 weeks. So to say 13K over 2 months is just a joke of a statement and trying to make it sound like it's less of a problem then it is right now.

Through March 30th we hadn't passed 560 deaths in one day and since then we haven't dropped below 912 with only 2 days at less than 1,000 in a day.

We're already at close to 1,400 deaths today and it's not even noon yet in parts of the country, we might go from no days of 2,000 deaths and right into 3,000 in a day today. Right now Italy still has the most deaths at around 17.5K and have had decreasing rates for about a week now, while we very possibly (if not probably) will have that many deaths in the next 7 days by themselves.

Trying to still minimize the death rate impact this is having right now is just sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, it's just so frustrating to see people still saying, "but in 2 months we still only have 13,000 deaths" when in reality it's, we've had 10,000 deaths in a week and will more than double that rate over the next week. Particularly when it's the same people who have been against the closing down of everything, could you imagine the death toll if that hadn't been going on for almost the past month in many places?

Double the rate next week? The peak death day is supposed to be on the 12th

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

They don't blow up any argument, all they do is prove that you're unable to grasp what is going on right now.

Tons of people are dying right now who would not be dying if not for this virus, period. That is a flat out fact that is indisputable and your questions are trying to minimize that fact.

To use your favorite person's favorite phrase.

SAD!

Your go to is that people are dying. So where's the outcry with the flu? Heart disease? Suicides? Etc? We have a vaccine for the flu and there's a chance that more people will STILL die with the flu then with the corona. Now, is the fact that we have done this shutdown helping those numbers? Yes, they are, but we do not know to what extent.

No one in this thread, in our houses, are happy that people are dying. It is sad, everyone knows this. But you gotta take emotion out of it and just look at the facts.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The rate will not more than double, because it won't double. To your point about minimizing the death rate the ~50,000 dead Americans from this virus is a tragedy. As were the 35,000 that died from the Flu last year, the 61,000 that died from the Flu the year before, the 610,000 that died from cancer last year etc. etc.

I am certainly one of the people that believe we made the mistake of closing the country down (as a whole) in the face of this pandemic. From day one, I have advocated for taking strong precauctions and fortifying the population centers that need help and supplies the most (like NYC, Phily, Chicago, Detroit, etc.). To me, this was always going to be a regional tragedy. I still believe that is/was the right strategy and to be clear, I fear what comes next so much more than I feared this.

I have no doubt that the mitigation steps taken saved American lives. How many is up for debate. But I am also of the opinion that when we look back at what we did, how we did it and why we did it, we'll come to have learned we made a mistake. From the jump, our hypotheses were wrong and it was all uphill thereafter.

First, the double rate I was talking about was 10,000 people dying in the last week, do you really not think we'll have 20,000 deaths over the next 7 days? I think it's all but a certainty that it will happen, and if not, it will come very close (we're at 1,400 today already and it's still only 11 AM on the west coast).

The problem however is that if you only shut down places like NYC, Detroit, etc, then people would leave those places to get away from it all and bring the virus to new places. It's why Florida has gotten progressively worse, because people were still going on vacation and/or temporarily moving away from places like NYC.

When you don't shut down all places of the country, too many people in the places that are shut down think it's not that big of a problem and don't take proper precautions to limit the continuing spread in those places. Just look what was happening with all the spring breakers, what is happening with huge churches still holding congregations, etc.

I will agree that we'll look back and say it was handled wrong, but in an opposite way you do. I think we needed to take the measures that are being taken right now even earlier and it would have gotten us back to normal faster. But we didn't and it allow even more spread for a couple extra weeks before serious measures were taken, likely adding months to how long we'll need to be locked down.

If we end up with even lets just say 50,000 deaths with all these measures, do you really not think that would have been 250,000+ if nothing was shut down?

Would that really have been an acceptable number to you?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Oh great, here we go.

Like a freaking bat signal. Thanks dbacks

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Boo

"Tons". Lmao

Well if I said "thousands" people would have bashed it as "exactly, 'only' thousands are dying.

If I had said "tens of thousands" which will obviously be the case, they'd say "how can you say 'tens' when there are only 13,000 dead so far.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Like a freaking bat signal. Thanks dbacks

If you want to hate me for something, getting Zona back in the thread would be an acceptable reason.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Well if I said "thousands" people would have bashed it as "exactly, 'only' thousands are dying.

If I had said "tens of thousands" which will obviously be the case, they'd say "how can you say 'tens' when there are only 13,000 dead so far.

So change the verbiage to fit your argument. Got it. You cant use the facts because they dont fit the agenda!

Isn't this what I have been saying!

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Your go to is that people are dying. So where's the outcry with the flu? Heart disease? Suicides? Etc? We have a vaccine for the flu and there's a chance that more people will STILL die with the flu then with the corona. Now, is the fact that we have done this shutdown helping those numbers? Yes, they are, but we do not know to what extent.

No one in this thread, in our houses, are happy that people are dying. It is sad, everyone knows this. But you gotta take emotion out of it and just look at the facts.

Because as has been discussed too many times to count in here, things like the flu have vaccines and treatments for it. Some people still can't beat it and that's unfortunate, but at least they have a better chance.

And as you said, if there are more flu deaths this year than to Coronavirus, it will be because of the shutdown, 100% and I don't think that can be debated. Without a shutdown hospitals would have already been overrun and needing to decide who gets ventilators and who doesn't, thus only driving up the deaths of people who wouldn't have normally died.

Not to mention even if this settles in at a 1% death rate, that's still 10x higher than the flu, that's not hard to understand, 10 times worse.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

So change the verbiage to fit your argument. Got it. You cant use the facts because they dont fit the agenda!

Isn't this what I have been saying!

So what verbiage would you have liked me to use there?

Literally any word there would have made you unhappy with it as there is no specific word to use in that situation, hence the generic "tons" was used.

When there are more deaths this week alone than there have been over the last 2 months combined, how are you guys serious still going to sit here and say this isn't that bad and shutting things down was bad?

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

They don't blow up any argument, all they do is prove that you're unable to grasp what is going on right now.

Tons of people are dying right now who would not be dying if not for this virus, period. That is a flat out fact that is indisputable and your questions are trying to minimize that fact.

To use your favorite person's favorite phrase.

SAD!

Liberalism 101.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

If we end up with even lets just say 50,000 deaths with all these measures, do you really not think that would have been 250,000+ if nothing was shut down?

250K easy and Hospitals would have been a disaster.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Because as has been discussed too many times to count in here, things like the flu have vaccines and treatments for it. Some people still can't beat it and that's unfortunate, but at least they have a better chance.

What ??? You are trying to have an argument surrounding death and thats your response to the flu.

Thanks for the out loud laugh.

You should just type verbatim. 'You are a scumbag if you try to minimize COVID-19 death number. But if you died from the flu, they gave you medicine so sorry for your luck!'

LMAO....just stop dude.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Like a freaking bat signal. Thanks dbacks

Who's faster between him & majestik (when Jameis was brought up)?

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

If you want to hate me for something, getting Zona back in the thread would be an acceptable reason.

a-hole.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Who's faster between him & majestik (when Jameis was brought up)?

Me by far. I have no competition

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

What ??? You are trying to have an argument surrounding death and thats your response to the flu.

Thanks for the out loud laugh.

You should just type verbatim. 'You are a scumbag if you try to minimize COVID-19 death number. But if you died from the flu, they gave you medicine so sorry for your luck!'

LMAO....just stop dude.

What is wrong with that answer?

It's the same thing for every known disease, virus, etc, that we have cures and treatments for (which is most of them nowadays).

Cancer is a terrible thing, but at least most of them have ways to fight the disease itself and give people a chance to beat it. It absolutely sucks that some people still succumb to it and pass away, but at least they have a fighters chance at beating it.

No different than the flu having a vaccine and treatments, unfortunately some people still can't beat it, but those treatments for it are out there to help people fight it.

Those who catch this virus right now have nothing to fight the virus itself, there are things that can be done to try and help your organs to function long enough for your body to beat the virus, but that's it.

There is a significant difference between those two things and if you don't understand that, then I feel bad for you as it's not a hard concept to grasp.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by pac213up

250K easy and Hospitals would have been a disaster.

Yup, and when that happens people start dying of other things than this virus because they can't get the proper medical care that would have still saved their lives if the hospitals weren't in that situation.

Which is exactly why it infuriates me to no end when people are trying to say "so few people are actually dying in the end" and "why did we shut everything down for only 50,000 deaths"

It's so shortsighted and ignorant that it's not even funny, it's reprehensible.

[babyfaceposey]

Lets just open the economy back up and see what happens. All these people talking on the news to include the experts have all been wrong. No one knows what is going to happen. Lets just get it over with. Lets learn from this and stockpile ppe, make the drugs Americans need in the USA and call it a day.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

First, the double rate I was talking about was 10,000 people dying in the last week, do you really not think we'll have 20,000 deaths over the next 7 days? I think it's all but a certainty that it will happen, and if not, it will come very close (we're at 1,400 today already and it's still only 11 AM on the west coast).

The problem however is that if you only shut down places like NYC, Detroit, etc, then people would leave those places to get away from it all and bring the virus to new places. It's why Florida has gotten progressively worse, because people were still going on vacation and/or temporarily moving away from places like NYC.

When you don't shut down all places of the country, too many people in the places that are shut down think it's not that big of a problem and don't take proper precautions to limit the continuing spread in those places. Just look what was happening with all the spring breakers, what is happening with huge churches still holding congregations, etc.

I will agree that we'll look back and say it was handled wrong, but in an opposite way you do. I think we needed to take the measures that are being taken right now even earlier and it would have gotten us back to normal faster. But we didn't and it allow even more spread for a couple extra weeks before serious measures were taken, likely adding months to how long we'll need to be locked down.

If we end up with even lets just say 50,000 deaths with all these measures, do you really not think that would have been 250,000+ if nothing was shut down?

Would that really have been an acceptable number to you?

First of all, your hypothesis about Florida is and has always been wrong. I don't know why people keep saying Florida ... it's doing really really well as a whole. Their testing rate is one of the highest in the country, their death rate one of the lowest. It baffles me that because they kept beaches open, people thing that will equate to something. What is happening with all the spring breakers? I don't see anything happening.

Second of all, no, we will not have 20,000 deaths in 7 days. And your statement about "it's only 11am on the West Coast" shows just how little you follow the numbers or understand them. Most states report just once a day (some twice) and outside of Michigan, the big numbers are in for Wednesday. We may very well have it our death total peak yesterday, or it could be in a couple of days but hospitalization rates across the country would suggest the worst is behind us in terms of new infections.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

What is wrong with that answer?

It's the same thing for every known disease, virus, etc, that we have cures and treatments for (which is most of them nowadays).

Cancer is a terrible thing, but at least most of them have ways to fight the disease itself and give people a chance to beat it. It absolutely sucks that some people still succumb to it and pass away, but at least they have a fighters chance at beating it.

No different than the flu having a vaccine and treatments, unfortunately some people still can't beat it, but those treatments for it are out there to help people fight it.

Those who catch this virus right now have nothing to fight the virus itself, there are things that can be done to try and help your organs to function long enough for your body to beat the virus, but that's it.

There is a significant difference between those two things and if you don't understand that, then I feel bad for you as it's not a hard concept to grasp.

What about all of the people that have recovered from the China virus then? You don't bring that up. Wonder why (actually I know why so no need to address it).