Potential Worth of Soccer Cards as Market Grows

[IronMonkey415]

Is this the product you guys talking about?
https://www.blowoutcards.com/2017-18...-box-case.html

[stivsolovienna]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Is this the product you guys talking about?
https://www.blowoutcards.com/2017-18...-box-case.html

Yes, that is exactly it

[stivsolovienna]

Originally Posted by k13

The only thing soaring is the schilling on ebay consignment sales.
Average Joe think their card is worth just as much.
Good luck to them trying to get those prices.

Grading is a scam and end users in soccer don't want slabs and never will.
There's nothing to flip in soccer so not sure who these investors will be flipping to.
There's no draft, no #1 picks, no true definitions of go to rookies, player gets hot...no one cares.
Can score 5 goals one game and no one will care. That's not what investors like. They want a quick flip to suckers.

Hey man, I really tried to hold back when I read your last couple comments, but you being a combination of 'know it all' and ' super negative' is becoming very annoying here - maybe I am the only one, but I am really tired of your generalizations and 'wisdom'

I am not a flipper at all - and honestly, I love graded cards - I love the protection the cards get, I love the way it looks and how I can store them more easily

Also, fully agree with you that there are shilled consignment sales - but do you really think that's only soccer? do you really think that's the only reason some of the prices go up? If that's your opinion, ok - but PLEASE stop making all of your posts sound like the only truth in the world

Thank you and happy collecting!

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by stivsolovienna

Hey man, I really tried to hold back when I read your last couple comments, but you being a combination of 'know it all' and ' super negative' is becoming very annoying here - maybe I am the only one, but I am really tired of your generalizations and 'wisdom'

I am not a flipper at all - and honestly, I love graded cards - I love the protection the cards get, I love the way it looks and how I can store them more easily

Also, fully agree with you that there are shilled consignment sales - but do you really think that's only soccer? do you really think that's the only reason some of the prices go up? If that's your opinion, ok - but PLEASE stop making all of your posts sound like the only truth in the world

Thank you and happy collecting!

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[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by k13

But that's who drives the hobby.

European sticker collectors think it's crazy to pay $100 for a card. Let alone a sticker.

If NFL/NBA/NHL had early version of players on stickers no one would consider them rookies anyway.

Even CHL cards of NHL players are not rookies or desirable or college cards of NBA players.

Just cause some guy had a early card in a cereal box in some country dont make it his rookie card.

All hobby money is in Asia/North America anyway.

You have no idea about the soccer/football card hobby. The best collections i saw are from europeans. Just join some facebook groups and see.

[AsianBrizz]

Prices for soccer cards are, indeed, soaring, despite what others here think. I've been buying soccer cards for the last decade or so, and I have an XLS spreadsheet of all my purchases...and I can tell you that cards I bought ten years ago for $3 are now going for $50 or more. I was buying Messi rookies at $5 a pop just a few years back, but now they're through the roof. I bought some Alfredo di Stefano rookies for under $10, but now they're ten times that price. The market is definitely expanding, for old cards and new.

There are some places online where you can find collectors interested in 100-year old cards, but Facebook also has tons of users from all over the world buying brand new Obsidian or whatever. the market for soccer cards is potentially much bigger than for other sports, and those who focus on shill bidders and ebay are only capturing a slice of the market. There are certainly some people on here who are focused on a quick flip for suckers, but that definition doesn't match what most people think of as investment.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Raj3sh

You have no idea about the soccer/football card hobby. The best collections i saw are from europeans. Just join some facebook groups and see.

I am on Facebook groups.
Yes, some of them have great collections but in general sports cards are not a big thing Europe and not easily accessible.

[GrangerCollectr]

Originally Posted by k13

The only thing soaring is the schilling on ebay consignment sales.
Average Joe think their card is worth just as much.
Good luck to them trying to get those prices.

Grading is a scam and end users in soccer don't want slabs and never will.
There's nothing to flip in soccer so not sure who these investors will be flipping to.
There's no draft, no #1 picks, no true definitions of go to rookies, player gets hot...no one cares.
Can score 5 goals one game and no one will care. That's not what investors like. They want a quick flip to suckers.

I guess you know more than I do about collecting cards. Thank you for educating me sir

[k13]

Originally Posted by AsianBrizz

Prices for soccer cards are, indeed, soaring, despite what others here think. I've been buying soccer cards for the last decade or so, and I have an XLS spreadsheet of all my purchases...and I can tell you that cards I bought ten years ago for $3 are now going for $50 or more. I was buying Messi rookies at $5 a pop just a few years back, but now they're through the roof. I bought some Alfredo di Stefano rookies for under $10, but now they're ten times that price. The market is definitely expanding, for old cards and new.

There are some places online where you can find collectors interested in 100-year old cards, but Facebook also has tons of users from all over the world buying brand new Obsidian or whatever. the market for soccer cards is potentially much bigger than for other sports, and those who focus on shill bidders and ebay are only capturing a slice of the market. There are certainly some people on here who are focused on a quick flip for suckers, but that definition doesn't match what most people think of as investment.

How much were Messi/Ronaldo autos 5 years ago?
Messi rselect tie dye sold for $600 now barely $60.

The supply has outpaced demand for 99% of cards but that's normal in all other sports too.

If there were THAT many more soccer collectors coming in then the prices would be going the other way.

Nice cards that are /20 of great players sell for peanuts.
That means there's not even 20 people in the whole that are interested in it.

Meanwhile a lebron james 15th year prizm card low numbered sells for thousands.

Still a long way to go but interests is up overall.

[k13]

Originally Posted by stivsolovienna

Hey man, I really tried to hold back when I read your last couple comments, but you being a combination of 'know it all' and ' super negative' is becoming very annoying here - maybe I am the only one, but I am really tired of your generalizations and 'wisdom'

I am not a flipper at all - and honestly, I love graded cards - I love the protection the cards get, I love the way it looks and how I can store them more easily

Also, fully agree with you that there are shilled consignment sales - but do you really think that's only soccer? do you really think that's the only reason some of the prices go up? If that's your opinion, ok - but PLEASE stop making all of your posts sound like the only truth in the world

Thank you and happy collecting!

Basketball is the worst for schilling, counterfeiting by far.

Soccer is still innocent for the most part except probstein/pwcc obviously but lot more patch fakers have come in too.

If you like graded that's cool but most soccer guys dont.
There's a card that I want that's bgs 9.5 and I have to pass because I dont want to crack it. It will be too bulky with the rest of my collection. Plus they'll want more for it even though Select is an easy grade set.

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by AsianBrizz

The market is definitely expanding, for old cards and new.

This is true. But I'd argue prices are being propped up by speculators hoping to catch a market on the uptick. As well as by collectors in non traditional Football markets like the US and Asia who are used to cards.

We have quite a bit of friends and family in France/UK and the kids (and dads) collect the stickers. They've got years of albums on their shelves. As mentioned above they don't really "get" cards - stickers are in their collecting DNA. I brought over a box of Revolution last time i was there. And they liked it. But a couple of the kids were like "where do we put them?" We ordered some pages online - but they prefer the albums. Maybe Panini needs to release collectors albums like Pokemon does?

There's a lot of heritage and tradition to overcome.

[AsianBrizz]

It's certainly true that Americans collect differently than Europeans. Americans are used to collecting individual players, whereas Europeans have been taught to be completists, finishing up an entire album before storing it away.

That said, the earilest European cards were not stickers, but cards. If you want originals of Meazza or Zamora or Eusebio or Beckenbauer or Best or Nasazzi or Di Stefano, you're looking for cards, not stickers. Panini has been a big influence in Europe over the past few decades, but they are not the final word on soccer.

It all depends on how you collect, but the whatever your habits, the market is expanding and the most valuable cards and stickers are becoming more expensive and harder to find every day.

[fadster]

One thing to remember is even though they don't look like stickers a lot of post war issues were designed to be stuck into albums, eg Di Stefano Revancha "rookie" (depends on your view of the Monte Cudine disc), Eusebio Panini (and very rare slightly older 61/62 Portuguese rookies), Beckenbauer Bergmann is a card designed to be stuck into an album, both the Maradona 1977 disc and the 1978 issues were all stuck into albums etc etc. I think the point is most vintage collectors don't care if it's a card or sticker, other factors are far more important.

I'm not sure if people know but Panini have pretty much zero hobby collection presence in Europe. The only things you can buy off of them here are Adrenalyn cards and sticker collections. The few online hobby sports retailers there are have to import stuff from Panini America. Topps are slightly better, in the UK you can at least buy Topps Chrome direct from them, although the only thing you can buy in physical stores is Match Attax.

[HoustOM]

Let me try to give a point of view from a French guy who lived in the US, collects NBA cards, and now lives in Spain and buys soccer cards:
- Spain is a much bigger market for cards & stickers than France and many other European countries;
- On any given Sunday, in most of the major cities in Spain, you can find hundreds of collectors (kids and adults) trading/buying/selling soccer cards and stickers;
- Europeans don’t spend nearly as much as Americans in cards (except the hobby fans like Kiki etc. who are a minority) and prices are much lower. Messi or Ronaldo RC at 500$ is quite a lot already for the general public. Locally prices vary from 0.10c to 50 eur for the Panini Adrenalyn or Match Attax. I can’t imagine a 300k $ card being sold to a European (maybe I’m wrong);
- People in Europe buy what is offered to them. So mostly 1$ pack with 6 cards that you get at local book or sweet store. Maybe there is market for higher end, but it is not available to the general public at the moment;
- Collectors in Spain often complain about the poor quality of Panini soccer cards compared to US sports cards;

Soccer is a global sport, I would say like NBA but even more widespread and popular, so soccer cards have real potential for growth, if nice collections ( Prizm, Select...) are made available to the general public.

[HoustOM]

I should add that if the Middle East wakes up, hobby-wise, it will be an insane amount of money flowing into the hobby. And they clearly prefer soccer to anything else.

[ThoseBackPages]

man, all i know is i am enjoying it

[k13]

Upper Deck missed out on soccer big time. I know they did the Man U set a while ago which was popular so they should have stuck with it and made it similar to Golf. Mostly SP authentic sets every year.

Imagine having Spa "future watch" rc's autos /299 of the last 10-15 years.
Those cards would have been legendary.

Early Neymar/Lewandowski/Kane/etc.


They'd easily be worth thousands...

When some of those players were young the autos would have been cheaper/easier to get too.

[stivsolovienna]

Originally Posted by k13

Upper Deck missed out on soccer big time. I know they did the Man U set a while ago which was popular so they should have stuck with it and made it similar to Golf. Mostly SP authentic sets every year.

Imagine having Spa "future watch" rc's autos /299 of the last 10-15 years.
Those cards would have been legendary.

Early Neymar/Lewandowski/Kane/etc.


They'd easily be worth thousands...

When some of those players were young the autos would have been cheaper/easier to get too.

100% agree with this

[Raj3sh]

Originally Posted by k13

Upper Deck missed out on soccer big time. I know they did the Man U set a while ago which was popular so they should have stuck with it and made it similar to Golf. Mostly SP authentic sets every year.

Imagine having Spa "future watch" rc's autos /299 of the last 10-15 years.
Those cards would have been legendary.

Early Neymar/Lewandowski/Kane/etc.


They'd easily be worth thousands...

When some of those players were young the autos would have been cheaper/easier to get too.

This is the story behind Upper Deck and manchester united. sad that they stopped it after beckham left to real madrid.

https://sportscollectorinparadise.wo...kham-mancrush/

[Josie27]

Sorry I know questions like this suck, I read as much of the thread as I could before asking. Pulled this Gold Prizm and Group F Card the other day from 2018 World Cup. For 1:1,200 odds the Group F card is an odd mix of crazy rare yet a little disappointing.

I cannot tell if the average soccer collector values grading or not. I am no stranger to grading and understand the pros and cons as in relation to other sports. But I am still learning the soccer market so any input or feedback is greatly appreciated.




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[Ianhatcher]

As I said in my initial post I'm new to this hobby but I have been collecting trading cards for years and people can try and dismiss grading but at the end of the day if the hobby explodes grading matters. Period. Especially with rookie cards and high value ones as with high dollar comes counterfeit (see MJ Fleer 1986).

Grading is why a raw Mbappe 2018 Prizm is selling for $20-30 on Ebay and a PSA 10 grade is selling for $200.

The upside is too great not to grade cards and that is why you see a ton of graded Mbappe, Joao and Sancho starting to pop up on Ebay.

Me personally I grade rookies for investment and higher dollar autos and inserts to protect that I collect. Rookies to many people are investments so when people invest they want their investment authenticated and protected. It doesn't matter if "Most" soccer collectors don't want graded cards, all that matters is if there is market for graded cards.

[snelson042]

I knew I had opened a case of the 2017-18 Topps Chrome Champions when it came out, but then I stopped collecting soccer cards. It just never occurred to me to go back through to look for mbappe cards. I had sold all the autos and the refractors that’s I got in the case and put the Base cards away in boxes. Just went through and found 7 Base Mbappe, 2 Lightning Strikes, and 2 Future Stars. I’ll take it...

[AsianBrizz]

One issue with grading is that it's an overwhelming US-based practice. I live in Thailand now, and the only way I can get cards graded is by mailing them around the world to companies back in the US, and then hoping Thai customs doesn't open the graded cards upon their return. Of all the cards I see on Facebook from Asian collectors, very few (less than 10%? less than 2%?) are graded. Seems to me that collectors in Asia, and perhaps in Europe, are not grading many cards. There are exceptions, sure, but it's not exactly common.

Some of my cards are over 100 years old, and I'd love to have them graded, but I do not trust international mail, and especially Thai customs.

[Raj3sh]

I grade most of my good cards. I use a third party service ( shipmycards) they keep all my cards in USA and then we will select the ones for grading and they will receive it after grading. Once everything is done i will ship them back together to me. In this way i will save on shipping and also the grading is done in a less troublesome way.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by AsianBrizz

Prices for soccer cards are, indeed, soaring, despite what others here think.

Prices for a very few top players (i.e. Messi, CR7, maybe Mpabbe) are rising, but the market overall is very narrow.

Whomever you would consider to be the 20th best player in the world is seeing little to no interest at all.