PWCC - Lebron James Xfractor

Southpas2013 · 07-15-2019, 10:16 PM

Not sure if it’s just me but the description in this listing is a little misleading. What do you think?
PWCC doing what they do?

This is a current listing so you can look further if needed.

Spink · 07-15-2019, 10:18 PM

Yes. Mint or damaged?

ninjacookies · 07-15-2019, 10:19 PM

I'm using the 'MINT / GEM MINT QUALITIES' qualifier for all my future listings with giant creases.

3124508 on COMC · 07-15-2019, 10:20 PM

Is there a difference between “the card itself” and wherever the wrinkle is located??

Par for the course.

KhalDrogo · 07-15-2019, 10:31 PM

Mint to gem mint except for this poop stain right over here.

NickRadz23 · 07-15-2019, 10:32 PM

Kind of.

Sort of scummy salesmanship the way they put it but I mean technically if the corners and edges are sharp then I guess it has those mint "qualities".

ninjacookies · 07-15-2019, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NickRadz23

Kind of.

Sort of scummy salesmanship the way they put it but I mean technically if the corners and edges are sharp then I guess it has those mint "qualities".

They knew exactly what they were doing prefacing the description using those keywords in all caps.

I don't think this was an issue of being cleverly transparent. It's more an issue of trying to be cleverly deceitful.

Southpas2013 · 07-15-2019, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Mint to gem mint except for this poop stain right over here.

LOL exactly

Southpas2013 · 07-15-2019, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickRadz23

Kind of.

Sort of scummy salesmanship the way they put it but I mean technically if the corners and edges are sharp then I guess it has those mint "qualities".

Ya man , and it’s already about 2 grand a couple hours into the listing

3124508 on COMC · 07-15-2019, 10:39 PM

Still trying to figure out how the crease isn’t part of “the card itself”

Spink · 07-15-2019, 10:48 PM

I take back my comment.

NickRadz23 · 07-15-2019, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

They knew exactly what they were doing prefacing the description using those keywords in all caps.

I don't think this was an issue of being cleverly transparent. It's more an issue of trying to be cleverly deceitful.

Not really deceitful if you read the description.

NickRadz23 · 07-15-2019, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpas2013

Ya man , and it’s already about 2 grand a couple hours into the listing

Yeah that's crazy.

If people just read the description they'd probably steer clear.

ninjacookies · 07-15-2019, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NickRadz23

Not really deceitful if you read the description.

I think you should look into what deceitful/misleading means.

No, what they didn't isn't against the law...but it was intentionally misleading. They didn't exactly put the crease statement in all caps.

But it's PWCC...so morality has always been a foreign term.

3124508 on COMC · 07-15-2019, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickRadz23

Yeah that's crazy.

If people just read the description they'd probably steer clear.

If only they had room in the title to put ”CREASE”

NickRadz23 · 07-15-2019, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I think you should look into what deceitful/misleading means.

No, what they didn't isn't against the law...but it was intentionally misleading. They didn't exactly put the crease statement in all caps.

But it's PWCC...so morality has always been a foreign term.

If you know how to read a description it isn't misleading lol

Who would spend $2k+ and not read the description for the card? Sure they could've put it in the title but a description is to DESCRIBE the item?

NickRadz23 · 07-15-2019, 10:57 PM

I feel filthy defending PWCC but true scum would be not even putting it in the description imo.

Either way not a fan of theirs.

duron · 07-15-2019, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southpas2013

Not sure if it’s just me but the description in this listing is a little misleading. What do you think?
PWCC doing what they do?

Definitely not just you. Anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

Longshot18 · 07-15-2019, 11:13 PM

I assume pics 2/3 show the back/crease.

If so, like usual, it's not just a 1 sided story:

a) anyone stating they feel the description is misleading would have valid points to make

b) anyone who felt the buyer has opportunities to read description and see the card through pictures (if they are there) has valid points. It's not like the info is not there.

mondogenerator · 07-15-2019, 11:40 PM

good to know something can be described as gem mint and still have a crease.

new ways to describe a weakness? exclude it, talk about everything else, qualify that, then drop in the 'oh yeah, huge visible crease in the back - still dont let that distract you from the mint corners etc'

ilikenicecards · 07-15-2019, 11:52 PM

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cypher · 07-15-2019, 11:59 PM

PWCC pushing for the new condition term Mint But Damaged.

aguinness · 07-16-2019, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cypher

PWCC pushing for the new condition term Mint But Damaged.

Either that or PWCC sees the crease as part of the card’s conservation...

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bballcards4days · 07-16-2019, 12:31 AM

This is some BS.....so I won’t mention the member or the card as he is a good friend of mine and pretty sure it was sold either way but here is the story.

My friend had submitted a card to becket with a min grade submission and had it not meet the grade he wanted it but had it slabbed authenticated.

Long story short the card did not meet the grade he had specified but years later he decided to part with the card and sent it to pwcc along with other cards and pwcc decided to take the liberty of assigning the card a grade (but they aren’t professional graders) and put it in the sub title as damaged and mentioning it wasn’t gem mint. The card has a surface scratch on the back of the card but they labeled it as creased when it wasn’t creased but had a scratched.

I see nothing wrong with what they did but when my friend got the title reviews from pwcc before they were listed none of this was mentioned to him. But they can do this without the card even being authenticated or mentioning damage in the title!? It seems they are getting sleazier by each auction session.

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Southpas2013 · 07-16-2019, 12:32 AM

I tried looking at pic 2/3 and I don’t see the crease, does anyone else see it ?

Every card would be GEM MINT minus all the dings, creases, soft corners , etc .

All my cards are GEM MINT except the hole punch in the middle of the card brings it down, but the corners are razor sharp like a Gillette Blade.

How ridiculous.

I don’t think the bidders read the entire listing. Just got excited about the card and impulse bid at first glance.

07-15-2019, 10:16 PM	#1
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	PWCC - Lebron James Xfractor Not sure if it’s just me but the description in this listing is a little misleading. What do you think? PWCC doing what they do? This is a current listing so you can look further if needed.

07-15-2019, 10:20 PM	#4
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,360	Is there a difference between “the card itself” and wherever the wrinkle is located?? Par for the course. __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

07-15-2019, 10:31 PM	#5
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,076	Mint to gem mint except for this poop stain right over here. __________________ I love PSA!

07-15-2019, 10:39 PM	#10
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,360	Still trying to figure out how the crease isn’t part of “the card itself” __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

07-15-2019, 10:48 PM	#11
Spink Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: USA Posts: 389	I take back my comment. Last edited by Spink; 07-15-2019 at 11:31 PM.

07-15-2019, 10:18 PM	#2
Spink Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: USA Posts: 389	Yes. Mint or damaged?

07-15-2019, 10:19 PM	#3
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,375	I'm using the 'MINT / GEM MINT QUALITIES' qualifier for all my future listings with giant creases.

07-15-2019, 10:32 PM	#6
NickRadz23 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 869	Kind of. Sort of scummy salesmanship the way they put it but I mean technically if the corners and edges are sharp then I guess it has those mint "qualities".

07-15-2019, 10:57 PM	#17
NickRadz23 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 869	I feel filthy defending PWCC but true scum would be not even putting it in the description imo. Either way not a fan of theirs.

07-15-2019, 11:13 PM	#19
Longshot18 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 1,675	I assume pics 2/3 show the back/crease. If so, like usual, it's not just a 1 sided story: a) anyone stating they feel the description is misleading would have valid points to make b) anyone who felt the buyer has opportunities to read description and see the card through pictures (if they are there) has valid points. It's not like the info is not there. __________________ I collect Bronco greats (Elway, Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Miller, Rod Smith). Also Falcons Julio Jones and Ryan. Hoops- collect Spurs, Kerr, Rodman, Elliott, Barkley, Stockton, Malone. I also LOVE most vintage cards of all sports.

07-15-2019, 11:40 PM	#20
mondogenerator Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: auckland, new zealand Posts: 1,361 meshuggah unida	good to know something can be described as gem mint and still have a crease. new ways to describe a weakness? exclude it, talk about everything else, qualify that, then drop in the 'oh yeah, huge visible crease in the back - still dont let that distract you from the mint corners etc' __________________ Collecting Damon Stoudamire - IG @damonstoudamirecollector https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonite/albums trade stuff for DS here -> https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonitesecondary/albums/72157709510200157

07-15-2019, 11:52 PM	#21
ilikenicecards Banned Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 490	.......................... Last edited by ilikenicecards; 07-16-2019 at 12:24 AM.

07-15-2019, 11:59 PM	#22
cypher Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 920	PWCC pushing for the new condition term Mint But Damaged.

07-16-2019, 12:31 AM	#24
bballcards4days Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 718	This is some BS.....so I won’t mention the member or the card as he is a good friend of mine and pretty sure it was sold either way but here is the story. My friend had submitted a card to becket with a min grade submission and had it not meet the grade he wanted it but had it slabbed authenticated. Long story short the card did not meet the grade he had specified but years later he decided to part with the card and sent it to pwcc along with other cards and pwcc decided to take the liberty of assigning the card a grade (but they aren’t professional graders) and put it in the sub title as damaged and mentioning it wasn’t gem mint. The card has a surface scratch on the back of the card but they labeled it as creased when it wasn’t creased but had a scratched. I see nothing wrong with what they did but when my friend got the title reviews from pwcc before they were listed none of this was mentioned to him. But they can do this without the card even being authenticated or mentioning damage in the title!? It seems they are getting sleazier by each auction session. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Kobe Bryant Exquisite, Ultimate, SP, and Chronology collector, PM me if you are looking to trade or sell. Thanks!

07-16-2019, 12:32 AM	#25
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	I tried looking at pic 2/3 and I don’t see the crease, does anyone else see it ? Every card would be GEM MINT minus all the dings, creases, soft corners , etc . All my cards are GEM MINT except the hole punch in the middle of the card brings it down, but the corners are razor sharp like a Gillette Blade. How ridiculous. I don’t think the bidders read the entire listing. Just got excited about the card and impulse bid at first glance.