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volblorx8634 · 03-16-2019, 08:57 PM

As a Kings fan who wishes Fox or Hield would win the award (and I think they're up there for honorable mentions), I think it should be Siakem. He's made huge leaps this year.

luckylow · 03-16-2019, 09:53 PM

I like Siakam and I am a huge fan of Collins (he is my biggest PC). But objectively I would give the MIP to D’Angelo Russell. Went from an outcast to an all-star that is LEADING his team to the Playoffs. I don’t have a good grasp about the numbers improvement as I do not follow him but awards in the NBA are like 50% stats and 50% storyline anyway so yeah.

Noles939913 · 03-16-2019, 10:00 PM

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Related to Michael Beasley?

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No, why would you even think that haha. Beasley is a fairly common surname.

ninjabum87 · 03-16-2019, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jw8

Collins ppg increased by 100%, rpg up 43%
Siakam ppg up by 125%, rpg up 53%

Don't look at the raw difference you need to use percentages to compare change over time - Siakam's actually improved more than Collins in both ppg and rpg.

That's kind of an odd way to look at it. Someone who goes from 2ppg to 8ppg looks better than both at a 300% increase. Percent increase naturally favors people with lower starting numbers.

babyfaceposey · 03-17-2019, 09:16 AM

Collins easy.

oldgoldy97 · 03-17-2019, 09:21 AM

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That's kind of an odd way to look at it. Someone who goes from 2ppg to 8ppg looks better than both at a 300% increase. Percent increase naturally favors people with lower starting numbers.

But that doesn’t fit the narrative.

GSWSFGSF49 · 03-17-2019, 12:02 PM

Collins or this sounds crazy, but paul george

IronMonkey415 · 03-21-2019, 12:29 AM

See how he dominated out there tonight?

ninjacookies · 03-21-2019, 12:42 AM

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See how he dominated out there tonight?

Your carousel of avatars are both disturbing and inspiring.

realreodeal · 03-21-2019, 07:12 AM

Spencer Dinwiddie

cshelb34687 · 03-21-2019, 07:22 AM

OP good choice!

jlzinck · 03-21-2019, 08:03 AM

Gordon Hayward had dramatically improved over last season

yiguiri2002 · 03-21-2019, 08:46 AM

I love (and PC) Collins but he shouldn't get MIP. It's really hard for a 2nd year player to win it given that he's expected to develop. Collins' rookie year numbers show the potential to do what he's doing right now...he's just getting more playing time and touches. So, even though he's technically "improved", it's within of his learning curve based on his previous production.

I think the biggest threat to Siakam is actually Fox. I know he's a 2nd year player and my previous point stand. But he literally went from below average backup PG to borderline All-Star (or close to it) in a year. That is amazing. He's improved in every aspect of his game and kept his team in contention for the year.

I think Jokic is a sleeper too. Team is getting the 2nd seed and he's a Top 5 MVP candidate.

NoleinJax · 03-21-2019, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jw8

Collins ppg increased by 100%, rpg up 43%
Siakam ppg up by 125%, rpg up 53%

Don't look at the raw difference you need to use percentages to compare change over time - Siakam's actually improved more than Collins in both ppg and rpg.

If a guy goes from averaging 1ppg to 4ppg and .5rpg to 2.0rpg, his % increase would blow those out of the water. Should that person get MIP?

I don't have a horse in this race. One can't just go off of stats, percentages, or any 1 thing imo in a vacuum. Siakam is having a positive impact on a top playoff team whereas Collins is playing on a team that only wins 1 out of 3 games. Both are good young talent and both would make the All Improved team if they had one like an All NBA team.

TMQ · 03-21-2019, 10:42 AM

Julius Randle has made some big improvements in his game this year. He has already made more 3s this year then he made in his entire career prior. Along with a good increase in scoring overall.

Rareairx23 · 03-21-2019, 12:27 PM

siakam won the award last night imo

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03-21-2019, 08:46 AM	#38
yiguiri2002 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 12,494 afigueroaquevedo2002 yiguiri2002	I love (and PC) Collins but he shouldn't get MIP. It's really hard for a 2nd year player to win it given that he's expected to develop. Collins' rookie year numbers show the potential to do what he's doing right now...he's just getting more playing time and touches. So, even though he's technically "improved", it's within of his learning curve based on his previous production. I think the biggest threat to Siakam is actually Fox. I know he's a 2nd year player and my previous point stand. But he literally went from below average backup PG to borderline All-Star (or close to it) in a year. That is amazing. He's improved in every aspect of his game and kept his team in contention for the year. I think Jokic is a sleeper too. Team is getting the 2nd seed and he's a Top 5 MVP candidate. __________________ Basketball Sets: Threads Century Greats Jerseys - Innovation Stat Line Jerseys Soccer Sets: 2018 World Cup Prizm Peru Parallels - 2015 Select Soccer Peru Parallels Players: Red Bulls Parallels, 17-18 Thibs Prizms, Soccer Legends Autos

03-16-2019, 09:53 PM	#27
luckylow Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 54	I like Siakam and I am a huge fan of Collins (he is my biggest PC). But objectively I would give the MIP to D’Angelo Russell. Went from an outcast to an all-star that is LEADING his team to the Playoffs. I don’t have a good grasp about the numbers improvement as I do not follow him but awards in the NBA are like 50% stats and 50% storyline anyway so yeah.

03-17-2019, 09:16 AM	#30
babyfaceposey Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Pensacola, Florida Posts: 8,316 Babyfaceposey	Collins easy.

03-17-2019, 12:02 PM	#32
GSWSFGSF49 Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 824	Collins or this sounds crazy, but paul george

03-21-2019, 12:29 AM	#33
IronMonkey415 Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44,118 ironmonkeyfromsf	See how he dominated out there tonight?

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TMQ Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 497	Julius Randle has made some big improvements in his game this year. He has already made more 3s this year then he made in his entire career prior. Along with a good increase in scoring overall.

03-21-2019, 12:27 PM	#41
Rareairx23 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: new hampshire Posts: 6,795 2011champs41	siakam won the award last night imo