Keeper Champions- Official Fantasy Thread

[Hollywood42]

Anyone up to try to figure out how we want to edit the scoring at all? Would like to do it sooner rather than later to give everyone time to adjust their strategies as they see fit. Not proposing anything drastic, but I think it's clear that things should be balanced out a little bit

[Cornerstore]

Im good with the way things are- still looking to move machado tho - he will be a top 10 pick for sure no matter where he goes - will cost you your first but if you are the back end thats great value. I can keep him, but I can also move him for a jump up in draft

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Cornerstore

Im good with the way things are- still looking to move machado tho - he will be a top 10 pick for sure no matter where he goes - will cost you your first but if you are the back end thats great value. I can keep him, but I can also move him for a jump up in draft

There hasn’t been any comment as to what is going on with trading picks on the site

[Hollywood42]

Just post trades involving draft picks in here and I’ll keep track of them until the league updates for 2019 and picks can be included. So for example if I trade Trout for a 3rd round pick, accept a trade of Trout for nobody in ESPN and then both sides confirm the draft pick and I’ll keep track in the OP until th league turns over

[ksemmel]

Putting the following guys up for trade. Will look at draft picks or upgrade in keepers. Draft picks will take priority though.

Draft round value is next to the player

Realmuto - 14
Munch - 15
Shaw - 8
Turner - 4
Correa - 1
Jose Rameriz - 1
Lester - 9
Severino - 2
Heany - 15

[Hollywood42]

I'm always willing to wheel and deal as well. Scooter, Torres, and Mikolas are pretty locked in as keepers for me, but I still have the following guys available (price to keep noted next to them)

Jose Abreu (3)
Robinson Cano (15)
Rhys Hoskins (4)
Eddie Rosario (10)
Franmil Reyes (15)
Noah Syndergaard (2)
Ross Stripling (15)
Sean Manaea (15)

Some tougher to get than others, there's a few that I'm perfectly comfortable keeping, just not dead set on it yet. Open to receiving other keepers in trade, or purely draft picks. Also willing to swap draft picks for other draft picks

I'll get the draft order posted in the OP soon, didn't realize that wasn't done yet. Also going to try to PM everyone soonish to see if they're in for year 2 or not. I know that's super early, but there's a couple potential changes we'll need to discuss, plus I want to give tons of time for the draft as we'll likely have to do a slow offline draft (ESPN doesn't support drafts with keepers being selected in specific rounds, so we'll either have to use a different draft lobby like Fantrax just for the draft, or do it offline here)

[Ray27Ray52]

Everyone is available on my team. I'm not tied down to anyone.

Draft picks instead of players in return would be preferable.

[ksemmel]

I sent out a few different offers to people today. The offers could very well bite me in the butt but trades are what I enjoy the most in fantasy sports

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

I sent out a few different offers to people today. The offers could very well bite me in the butt but trades are what I enjoy the most in fantasy sports

The offers you sent to me were outrageously one sided in my favor, which I appreciate, but they are the opposite of what I want in return. I want picks not players.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

The offers you sent to me were outrageously one sided in my favor, which I appreciate, but they are the opposite of what I want in return. I want picks not players.

Jose Ramirez, Luis Severino and JT Realmuto... My thought was that with a lot of questionable keeper guys on your roster, it instantly gives you top talent in 3 positions

With you drafting at #5 (I assume) I didn't JoRam would be available to you at 15 or Severino at 15. And Realmuto at a 14th round keeper value is just a steal. Especially when he goes to a team with players that can get on base.

[Viking6]

My team is pretty much set as far as keepers go. Not looking to move Snell or anybody else unless it is some crazy offer I would be stupid to decline.

[Hollywood42]

Just something I'm going to toss out there just to make sure it's clear, you do need to have a draft pick in round 5, for example, to keep a player that will cost you your 5th round pick

For example, I want people to know that if I traded my 9th round pick for Mike Trout, who costs a 9th round pick to keep, as is I currently wouldn't be able to keep Trout in the 9th round as, without making any other trades, I no longer have a 9th round pick to spend

I don't have a problem with if it, in this situation, someone spent their 8th round pick to be able to keep Trout since they didn't have a 9th. Just something to keep in mind

Another wrinkle, extending the same example above say I already had Mookie Betts who would cost me an 8th round pick. Our league rules indicate that whoever scored more points between Trout or Betts would then cost a 7th round pick to keep instead of an 8th. So you see how this can cascade. Alternatively, I could try to trade for an additional 8th round pick or a 9th round pick to avoid the issue

Let me know if there's any questions on this, it can get kinda confusing

[Hollywood42]

Looks like this will be our draft order for the 2019 season, based on final standings after playoffs. Added this to the OP. Let me know if I made any mistakes

1. Ray27Ray52
2. Firerunner4
3. Diem
4. Viking6
5. Poonchka
6. seanbros
7. Hollywood42
8. nateyad
9. 7jacfire
10. Cornerstore
11. ksemmel
12. ksmith

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Looks like this will be our draft order for the 2019 season, based on final standings after playoffs. Added this to the OP. Let me know if I made any mistakes

1. Ray27Ray52
2. Firerunner4
3. Diem
4. Viking6
5. Poonchka
6. seanbros
7. Hollywood42
8. nateyad
9. 7jacfire
10. Cornerstore
11. ksemmel
12. ksmith

I have the 1st pick? Trust me I am certainly not complaining however that needs to be changed in the future. Once I saw that I didn't make the championship bracket I didn't even try to win... or lose for that matter. I shouldn't be rewarded for not putting in any effort.

All that being said, with the 1st pick in the 2019 draft I select Mike Trout. Thank you gentlemen.

[Hollywood42]

Based on current league rules, yes, draft order is based off of final standings after playoffs. However, as I increasingly discover that most people stop playing once they're out of it (I've always tried to get the highest place I can even after being eliminated, but that's just me), I'd propose a change to that system next time around. I'd say the first 6 picks should be determined by reverse regular season record of non-playoff teams, and the draft picks for the winners bracket determined by reverse playoff standings. That way the consolation bracket teams are given draft picks more fairly and aren't punished for trying to win or rewarded for tanking

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I have the 1st pick? Trust me I am certainly not complaining however that needs to be changed in the future. Once I saw that I didn't make the championship bracket I didn't even try to win... or lose for that matter. I shouldn't be rewarded for not putting in any effort.

All that being said, with the 1st pick in the 2019 draft I select Mike Trout. Thank you gentlemen.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

The consolation games don't mean anything right.. for those that didn't make the playoffs? I finished the regular season as the 7 seed and now it has me in 11th place. Not that i'm complaining because that would mean I get the 2nd pick next year. I'm just curious.

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

The OP states that the consolation games do determine the draft order, but that's something I'd like to change next year. We could either have the first 6 picks determined by reverse regular season standings (for the bottom 6 teams only), or have the winner of the consolation bracket get the 1st pick, 7th place with the 2nd pick, and so on

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Yeah I noticed that I kept falling down in the standings so there was no incentive for me to win. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I actively tanked but I also didn't go out of my way to set an optimal lineup. If losing meaningless games, when I am already out of the money, improves my draft pick next year it would be foolish to try to win.

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Based on current league rules, yes, draft order is based off of final standings after playoffs. However, as I increasingly discover that most people stop playing once they're out of it (I've always tried to get the highest place I can even after being eliminated, but that's just me), I'd propose a change to that system next time around. I'd say the first 6 picks should be determined by reverse regular season record of non-playoff teams, and the draft picks for the winners bracket determined by reverse playoff standings. That way the consolation bracket teams are given draft picks more fairly and aren't punished for trying to win or rewarded for tanking

I found the above from a few pages back. I vaguely remembered asking about this specific scenario. For me, I take the Ricky Bobby approach. If you ain't first, you're last. I play for money not pride. Take the incentive away to tank by going with your proposal for the draft order. You can even enact it this year if you like. I want Trout, but not like that.

[Hollywood42]

Well let's take a vote of when to switch to the system I just described. I typically don't like changing rules that affect things less than a full year out, but if people don't mind, doesn't matter to me

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I found the above from a few pages back. I vaguely remembered asking about this specific scenario. For me, I take the Ricky Bobby approach. If you ain't first, you're last. I play for money not pride. Take the incentive away to tank by going with your proposal for the draft order. You can even enact it this year if you like. I want Trout, but not like that.

[Cornerstore]

may of missed this but just curious. If i had 5 second round players that all carry a round 1 value this year can I keep all 5 and it just takes the next pick back? How would that work hypothetically.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Well let's take a vote of when to switch to the system I just described. I typically don't like changing rules that affect things less than a full year out, but if people don't mind, doesn't matter to me

I will abstain from voting so that I don't influence anything anymore than I already have. If everyone else votes that would also ensure that there is no possibility for a deadlock.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Cornerstore

may of missed this but just curious. If i had 5 second round players that all carry a round 1 value this year can I keep all 5 and it just takes the next pick back? How would that work hypothetically.

You lose a round forward not backwards. You can only keep one of them.

[ksemmel]

I think the rule should be changed to not promote tanking, however, with a snake draft, I am not necessarily sure the #1 pick is all that great.

[Hollywood42]

Ray is correct. So you'd be able to keep 2 of those guys. The first would cost your 2nd rounder and the second would cost your 1st rounder. The "tiebreaker" of which player costs which pick is based on whoever scored more points. I.e. if you were keeping Trout (500 points) and Betts (600 points), Betts would cost the first round pick since he scored more than Trout

Originally Posted by Cornerstore

may of missed this but just curious. If i had 5 second round players that all carry a round 1 value this year can I keep all 5 and it just takes the next pick back? How would that work hypothetically.

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You lose a round forward not backwards. You can only keep one of them.

[Cornerstore]

Ok and the rest are a no go in that case - good to know. Just wanted to make sure because didnt really clarify on the main page

[Hollywood42]

Originally Posted by Cornerstore

Ok and the rest are a no go in that case - good to know. Just wanted to make sure because didnt really clarify on the main page

Do these 2 paragraphs explain it? I thought I had explained the situation you brought up, but if the below doesn't make that clear, I'll edit it so it makes more sense-

Each team may keep up to 5 players from their team each year. A keeper will cost a draft pick in one round higher than the player was taken in the most recent draft. For example, if I took Mike Trout in the 6th round last year and wanted to keep him, he would cost me a 5th round draft pick. If I wanted to keep him in the following year, he would cost me a 4th round pick. There is no limit to how many times I can keep a player, but players taken in the first round of the draft cannot be kept. For example, if I took Mookie Betts in the 2nd round in 2020, I can keep him for the 2021 season at the cost of my first round draft pick, but I cannot keep him in 2022.

If a team took two players in the same round in the most recent draft and want to keep both of them, the player that scored the most points that year will cost a draft pick 2 rounds higher than where they were taken last year, and the other player would cost a draft pick 1 round higher. In the event 2 players scored the same number of points last year, the player with the last name appearing first alphabetically would cost the higher draft pick. The same logic applies for if 3, 4, or 5 players are taken in the same round and will be kept. For example, if I took both Mike Trout and Bryce Harper in the 6th round last year and want to keep both of them, whoever scored more points that season would cost my 4th round pick to keep, and the other would cost my 5th round pick. If they scored the same number of points, Harper would cost my 4th round pick and Trout would cost my 5th round pick due to the alphabetic rule.

[Viking6]

I am cool with the Bottom 6 is regular season and playoff teams based off playoff results. This year or next. That makes the most sense to me