OFFICIAL: Warriors (1) vs. Spurs (2) WCF Thread

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's hilarious seeing people try to justify what Zaza did by citing curry jumping into Aldridge or even more hilariously citing Bruce Bowen. Hey guys come back to reality for just a second Bowen retired 18 years ago.

So because it happened years ago, it's not reality, it's not relevant, bwaaah, lol

Nobody is justifying Zaza's play, just don't cry about people being dirty if you are a spurs fan

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

So because it happened years ago, it's not reality, it's not relevant, bwaaah, lol

Nobody is justifying Zaza's play, just don't cry about people being dirty if you are a spurs fan

Bruce Bowen has no relevance to this discussion. Did he make the same dirty play? Yes. Does that make any difference to this discussion? Nope

Just because the Spurs had 1 guy who made some dirty plays 20 years ago the fans are not allowed to call out dirty plays? Yea ok dude lol

[bulljh]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'm not sure he understands the difference between the defender sliding under the jump shooter while he's fading away vs the defender standing still while the jump shooter jumps into him.

I guess Aldridge should have just backed away as soon as he saw Curry coming towards him

Logic is hard for some people I guess

Standing still...gotcha. I guess we will turn a blind eye to extra shuffle.





Time to turn the page, game two tonight!

Anywho, I'm looking forward to another fun game tonight. The Spurs did a great job stepping in the passing lanes from lazy warrior passes. I hope the Warriors can tighten that up tonight. I'm hoping for another huge night from Curry. Thompson needs to pull his head out of his butt.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

It really is clutching at straws to even compare the 2.

Steph flails and is falling in to LMA who is just standing there.

No doubt, and when you watch it from the reverse angle, which is hard to see in that one Gif, Curry actually sticks his foot out like 2 feet in front of him along with his forward moment. Aldridge did absolutely nothing wrong there and the two are not even close to comparable. Can't believe how dishonest Mike Brown would be.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Bruce Bowen has no relevance to this discussion. Did he make the same dirty play? Yes. Does that make any difference to this discussion? Nope

Just because the Spurs had 1 guy who made some dirty plays 20 years ago the fans are not allowed to call out dirty plays? Yea ok dude lol

I agree. Bowen was a bad man. It doesn't mean Spurs fans cheered Bowen if a guy got injured. I cheered him when he managed to stay in front of Superstars like Kobe and VC.
It's really stupid to say we have no right to be upset about Za Za.

Originally Posted by pgisback

No doubt, and when you watch it from the reverse angle, which is hard to see in that one Gif, Curry actually sticks his foot out like 2 feet in front of him along with his forward moment. Aldridge did absolutely nothing wrong there and the two are not even close to comparable. Can't believe how dishonest Mike Brown would be.

Yeah I still find it funny.



But on to game 2 now. GS will win this one by 25.

But if Kawhi is there game 3 I think we bring the juice.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Bruce Bowen has no relevance to this discussion. Did he make the same dirty play? Yes. Does that make any difference to this discussion? Nope

Just because the Spurs had 1 guy who made some dirty plays 20 years ago the fans are not allowed to call out dirty plays? Yea ok dude lol

I think it kind of does has relevance since Bowen was coached by Popovich and when Bowen did the same actions as Zaza when he hurt Steve Francis and Jamal Crawford Popovich defended him and said to reporters that he didn't want Bowen to change his style of defense.



After people questioned if Bowen's play like that was dirty Popovich said "The people who cry about it are just frustrated about going up against Bowen. I told Bruce 'you be Bruce Bowen. You're the best defender in the league. You will NOT change the way you play defense". Bowen also hurt Kobe Bryant with a jump kick in the 2002 Playoffs that would make Draymond proud. Let's not forget Robert Horry's hip check on Steve Nash in the playoffs. It isn't breaking news about a coach defending his players actions but criticizing an opponent who does the same actions. But it also shows the hypocrisy in the thought process of Popovich when he has even MORE of a history of coaching players that could be questionably dirty, especially in the playoffs

[spurs50fan]

Ghosts of NBA past

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by duwal

I think it kind of does has relevance since Bowen was coached by Popovich and when Bowen did the same actions as Zaza when he hurt Steve Francis and Jamal Crawford Popovich defended him and said to reporters that he didn't want Bowen to change his style of defense.

After people questioned if Bowen's play like that was dirty Popovich said "The people who cry about it are just frustrated about going up against Bowen. I told Bruce 'you be Bruce Bowen.'

It isn't breaking news about a coach defending his players actions but criticizing an opponent who does the same actions. But it also shows the hypocrisy in the thought process of Popovich when he has even MORE of a history of coaching players that could be questionably dirty, especially in the playoffs

This guy gets it

[raps2spurs]

The Bowen thing has some relevance to Pop's criticism's of Zaza's bush league play but that was also 15 years ago in a different league. Dirty plays or really hard fouls were occurring all the time then. People act like there's a complete continuity of who they are today is the same person they were 15 years ago just like today's NBA isn't the same NBA from the late 90's to early 2000's. How many games then finished in the 70-80 point range? How many guys got hit hard when attacking the rim without a flagrant being called? You don't see either that often now.

This is a different era of basketball where jumpers are king now. It's the most effective offense to run, not post play like it was for a few of the elite teams in the late 90's to mid 2000's. The league needs to do more to protect players from bush league plays. Jump shooters are defenseless when landing, those to me are the dirtiest plays you can make in today's NBA.

And the people using this as some sort of Bruce Bowen karma garbage are not that well acquainted with the concept. Karma occurs when something is deserved back, Kawhi is one of the least likely players to deserve being the recipient of a goon play. He works his ass off each offseason and improves year in year out and just goes about his business, he's an elite defender while being an incredibly clean one. Kawhi didn't deserve that reckless play from Zaza. That wasn't karma, that was Zaza being a punk. Karma would be if it happened to Bowen during his playing days.

[SK40]

I still give the Spurs a decent shot. Hopefully they bring some focus to the game and accuracy in execution.

[drobfan8]

You gotta love the logic of some. Bowen was a dirty player 10-15 years ago so they (THE SPURS) deserve anything they get in the future.

So 10 years from now, we'll be saying GS deserves everything that comes their way because of Za Za.

SMH.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by raps2spurs

The Bowen thing has some relevance to Pop's criticism's of Zaza's bush league play but that was also 15 years ago in a different league. Dirty plays or really hard fouls were occurring all the time then. People act like there's a complete continuity of who they are today is the same person they were 15 years ago just like today's NBA isn't the same NBA from the late 90's to early 2000's. How many games then finished in the 70-80 point range? How many guys got hit hard when attacking the rim without a flagrant being called? You don't see either that often now.

This is a different era of basketball where jumpers are king now. It's the most effective offense to run, not post play like it was for a few of the elite teams in the late 90's to mid 2000's. The league needs to do more to protect players from bush league plays. Jump shooters are defenseless when landing, those to me are the dirtiest plays you can make in today's NBA.

And the people using this as some sort of Bruce Bowen karma garbage are not that well acquainted with the concept. Karma occurs when something is deserved back, Kawhi is one of the least likely players to deserve being the recipient of a goon play. He works his ass off each offseason and improves year in year out and just goes about his business, he's an elite defender while being an incredibly clean one. Kawhi didn't deserve that reckless play from Zaza. That wasn't karma, that was Zaza being a punk. Karma would be if it happened to Bowen during his playing days.

The quote from Pop was about 10 years ago which was well after the physical/dirty era of the NBA. Besides, I don't agree with the idea that things considered dirty or bush should be justified back in the day because people were getting away with it. If guys were intentionally sticking their foot under jumpshooters looking to hurt them, it doesnt matter which Era you play in..it's considered the same.

Popovich is a great coach but he went overboard spouting off on Zaza for doing what he believed was something he so adamantly encouraged Bowen to continue doing not too long ago. He's a smart guy and he can't say it's dirty now but not back in the day.

It's understandable why he reacted that way...the same reason why Spurs/Cavs fans are so disgusted but it makes him sound hypocritical nonetheless.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

You gotta love the logic of some. Bowen was a dirty player 10-15 years ago so they deserve anything in the future.

So 10 years from now, we'll be saying GS deserves everything that comes their way because of Za Za.

SMH.

Who is saying that? The logic is more do not be a coach that shames a player for their dirty play when you applauded and defended your own players doing the same actions because it helped you win

[drob50]

I think GSW should sit KD just to make the series a little more interesting for us fans.

Call it a settlement so they don't have to proceed to trial to try and prove whether Zaza did it on purpose and whether LMA tried to retaliate on Curry! lol

[TWard]

I guess GS is trying to even things out, as Iggy is apparently not playing tonight.

[spurs50fan]

Originally Posted by TWard

I guess GS is trying to even things out, as Iggy is apparently not playing tonight.

Finals MVP for Finals MVP?

All the air is out of this series at the moment. Shame they hit a Bentley with a Fiesta

[TWard]

Originally Posted by spurs50fan

Finals MVP for Finals MVP?

All the air is out of this series at the moment. Shame they hit a Bentley with a Fiesta

I think you meant to say a pinto.

[duron]

^rofl

[raps2spurs]

Originally Posted by elee712

The quote from Pop was about 10 years ago which was well after the physical/dirty era of the NBA. Besides, I don't agree with the idea that things considered dirty or bush should be justified back in the day because people were getting away with it. If guys were intentionally sticking their foot under jumpshooters looking to hurt them, it doesnt matter which Era you play in..it's considered the same.

Popovich is a great coach but he went overboard spouting off on Zaza for doing what he believed was something he so adamantly encouraged Bowen to continue doing not too long ago. He's a smart guy and he can't say it's dirty now but not back in the day.

It's understandable why he reacted that way...the same reason why Spurs/Cavs fans are so disgusted but it makes him sound hypocritical nonetheless.

I'm not arguing that dirty plays are okay based on a certain era of when they were common. Dirty plays are dirty plays but they are much less acceptable and tolerated in today's NBA. There's an extra level of disdain when viewing them today since it's not as physical of a game and is viewed as completely unsportsmanlike.

And I'm arguing against those that say Pop is being a hypocrite and should keep his mouth shut. Coaches defend their players almost every time. He's not going to throw Bowen under the bus just like Brown didn't throw Zaza under the bus but I'm damn sure if someone does the same to Curry his tone will change, would it really be fair to say he's a hypocrite and should keep his mouth shut? I don't think it is. When you look at some of the past dirty plays Zaza committed on the Spurs, Leonard included I think Pop has every right to fire off on Zaza.

I'm just most annoyed with how Zaza thought it was no biggie to make a reckless play like that whether intentional or not and marred this series. If you take away being a fan of either team and the emotional investment you have and are just a fan of the game then you just got robbed a competitive and likely entertaining series.

This was going 6 minimum until Kawhi got gooned and could've had game 7 potential instead it likely turns into a sweep now. I personally don't want the Spurs to even risk Kawhi again, not worth risking his long term health. They need his ankle to get back to 100% before he plays again. He's proven he's a superstar and possibly the second best player in the league after LBJ, dude was all over the court in game 1. There's no need to put his or the team's future at risk, especially since I don't think it's beneath Zaza to do something crazy again if the series miraculously becomes competitive like it should've been in the first place.

Spurs fans and Pop are entitled to vent and some Warriors fans shouldn't be so vehemently against their venting as some sort of Warriors bashing, since they could easily be wearing the other side of the shoe in the future considering their best players are jump shooters. If someone like Dahntay Jones goon balls Curry you guys will want to vent and say that's some serious bull....

The damage is done, at this point I just hope Kawhi is good for the long term, he's one of the last fun players to watch go to work on both sides of the ball.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by duwal

Who is saying that? The logic is more do not be a coach that shames a player for their dirty play when you applauded and defended your own players doing the same actions because it helped you win

This is actually a great point.....


I love Pop...He reminds me of Belichick, but he is off base here.


That being said, hope Kawhi can come back strong.

[TWard]

They started off with talking about Pachulia and when they said "it's been talked about endlessly", I was expecting the last of that sentence to be "on the Blowout Forums".

[TWard]

Spurs off to a rocket start... I could see this being a blowout, although I hope not.

[jcardstore]

It's going to be a blowout no doubt. They have no one outside of Aldridge who can score. See you in the finals Warriors

[spurs50fan]

Sweep the leg

[Pierce09]

The warriors came in confident and are shooting like it's a practice. Spurs aren't putting any fear into them. This is gonna be bad.... Ugh.. And F^&* Zaza