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[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

There are a lot of things that can happen to make me not vote for Hillary but there is nothing that can happen that will make me vote for Trump.

Exactly what I was going to say.


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[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Exactly what I was going to say.


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Can you give a couple examples? I am curious.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by trixstar

Also ties it to the Russian govt, I honestly don't know what to believe anymore about the whole situation.

Researchers show link between John Podesta leak, DNC hack and Russia - Washington Times

That's the thing. With all the corruption that's been uncovered we can't know what's actually the truth. Is it Russia or is this just another distraction to take away from the wikilinks content? Or, is this being set up and used as justification to now attack Russia?

[swise0121]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

There are a lot of things that can happen to make me not vote for Hillary but there is nothing that can happen that will make me vote for Trump.

I guess she needs to grab someone by the pu**y. All of the corruption she's been tied to thus far just isn't enough. Unreal.

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by swise0121

I guess she needs to grab someone by the pu**y. All of the corruption she's been tied to thus far just isn't enough. Unreal.

You can put words in my mouth, I guess. Trump has never done, acted, or said anything to convince me he is fit to be our President. It's been the exact opposite. Fwiw I did one of those online polls and came up basically dead center (as expected).

Trump is a greedy, self righteous, immature, sociopath who scares the hell out of me.


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[swise0121]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

You can put words in my mouth, I guess. Trump has never done, acted, or said anything to convince me he is fit to be our President. It's been the exact opposite. Fwiw I did one of those online polls and came up basically dead center (as expected). Attachment 350131

Trump is a greedy, self righteous, immature, sociopath who scares the hell out of me.


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When did I "put words in your mouth"?
If you're scared of Trump how do you feel about Hillary? A lying, greedy, treasonous, hypocrite? I don't understand how people can say they're shaking in their panties about Trump but not the slightest worried about Clinton

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by swise0121

When did I "put words in your mouth"?

If you're scared of Trump how do you feel about Hillary? A lying, greedy, treasonous, hypocrite? I don't understand how people can say they're shaking in their panties about Trump but not the slightest worried about Clinton

Shaking in their panties? This conversation seems like it will go well :/. Sorry I avoid conversations with people like you because they are pointless. If you want to have an adult conversation, awesome.

Trump is literally the worst candidate we've ever had from a major party. I know that must be the left wing liberal media, right? Stupid rigged election. :/


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[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

The GOP nominated Trump because the citizens gave overwhelming support for him as a candidate. I'd much rather have it this way then have the party force their choice and railroad the other candidate like the DNC did.

i was trying to give the GOP base more credit. they chose to throw this one then.

had they sucked it up and picked somebody with a chance to win that probably felt the same way they do about immigrants/the economy/ etc but just not said it in such a ridiculous way that Trump does, they'd run away with this election.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

i was trying to give the GOP base more credit. they chose to throw this one then.

had they sucked it up and picked somebody with a chance to win that probably felt the same way they do about immigrants/the economy/ etc but just not said it in such a ridiculous way that Trump does, they'd run away with this election.

Are you alright with how much the DNC colluded to help Hillary beat Bernie in the primaries? Does it bother you that every single dollar donated to Bernie was for nothing?

[swise0121]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Shaking in their panties? This conversation seems like it will go well :/. Sorry I avoid conversations with people like you because they are pointless. If you want to have an adult conversation, awesome.

Trump is literally the worst candidate we've ever had from a major party. I know that must be the left wing liberal media, right? Stupid rigged election. :/


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If you get offended by the word "panties" I really don't know what to say. You can have conversations with people "like me" but you choose not to. Keep avoiding questions and carry on with conversations you're more comfortable with.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Can you give a couple examples? I am curious.

Evidence that the Clinton Foundation is not just corrupt, but actually a sham, putting tons of money in the Clintons' pockets while only doing minor good for anyone else.

Solid evidence that Hillary is responsible for a murder.

Solid evidence that Hillary could have protected the Americans in Benghazi, but chose not to for monetary reasons.

Just a few examples.


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[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by swise0121

If you get offended by the word "panties" I really don't know what to say. You can have conversations with people "like me" but you choose not to. Keep avoiding questions and carry on with conversations you're more comfortable with.

What questions have you asked? I actually directly answered the only question I've seen.

Offended, absolutely not. Just tells me the type of conversation you want to have and it's not worth my time or energy. You are part of Trumps base which is so great for you. So I know you aren't changing your mind and can guess you aren't up for an intelligent conversation. If you think trump will do anything in office that isn't specifically for his ego then you should take off the blinders. You've been sold by one of the best salesman in the world, so there is that. Congrats.


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[tke1600]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Evidence that the Clinton Foundation is not just corrupt, but actually a sham, putting tons of money in the Clintons' pockets while only doing minor good for anyone else.

Solid evidence that Hillary is responsible for a murder.

Solid evidence that Hillary could have protected the Americans in Benghazi, but chose not to for monetary reasons.

Just a few examples.


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Bolded is already clear as day.

[noryan34]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

The GOP nominated Trump because the citizens gave overwhelming support for him as a candidate. I'd much rather have it this way then have the party force their choice and railroad the other candidate like the DNC did.

This! So much this. he was chosen by the people. Not by the party. Remember primaries are generally attended by each parties base so Trump was most popular among Republican base v. the other candidates running.

One thing the Dems are good at is running presidential elections. They have understood for years that the outcomes is not based on policy or political positions. As most that choose based on that have their mind made up before the first debate. But candidates win based on who 'looks' better or who looks 'less' bad. The win based of eliciting an emotion response in people whether positive or negative (Obama's was positive, Hillary's is negative). Republicans for all there ideas and policies I agree with have not yet grasped the art of swaying popular opinion.

I mean think about it. Technically only once in the last 30 years (Since Reagan) have Republicans won a presidential election (2004). But have dominated the congressional elections (which are less visible and usually more policy based) the past what 4-5 cycles?

[noryan34]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

What questions have you asked? I actually directly answered the only question I've seen.

Offended, absolutely not. Just tells me the type of conversation you want to have and it's not worth my time or energy. You are part of Trumps base which is so great for you. So I know you aren't changing your mind and can guess you aren't up for an intelligent conversation. If you think trump will do anything in office that isn't specifically for his ego then you should take off the blinders. You've been sold by one of the best salesman in the world, so there is that. Congrats.


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Using subtle slights and digs and then trying to take the "moral" high ground. Then slander someone with a differing opinion as being less intelligent.

Thought you were better than that.

[timber09]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

There are a lot of things that can happen to make me not vote for Hillary but there is nothing that can happen that will make me vote for Trump.

This is where I am at as well - I would only expand to add Johnson and Stein to the list as people that I will not be voting for.

She is a flawed candidate but the reality is that they all are and they always have been.

They are the candidates that our population picked and deserves. No one actually wants to say that part of it though - they just want to sit back and bitch while continuing to do nothing about any of it. We're a dumbed down, lazy, entitled group of people who love reality TV - and then sit back and wonder why our politicians reflect this behavior.

My true hope at the end of this political cycle is that enough good people that have been sitting on the sidelines decide to start getting involved in their local communities to drive change as they see fit in local government. Involvement from the bottom is what will drive change at the top.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by tke1600

Are you alright with how much the DNC colluded to help Hillary beat Bernie in the primaries? Does it bother you that every single dollar donated to Bernie was for nothing?

no i'm not ok with that, but again, had the republicans picked a qualified candidate rather than an ego-driven madman with no filter, the DNC would be paying for their sins and i'd be voting red this november (along with many more liberals that aren't fans of Hillary).

[jewcer2k5]

Originally Posted by timber09

This is where I am at as well - I would only expand to add Johnson and Stein to the list as people that I will not be voting for.

She is a flawed candidate but the reality is that they all are and they always have been.

They are the candidates that our population picked and deserves. No one actually wants to say that part of it though - they just want to sit back and bitch while continuing to do nothing about any of it. We're a dumbed down, lazy, entitled group of people who love reality TV - and then sit back and wonder why our politicians reflect this behavior.

My true hope at the end of this political cycle is that enough good people that have been sitting on the sidelines decide to start getting involved in their local communities to drive change as they see fit in local government. Involvement from the bottom is what will drive change at the top.

Let's see what happens in local government, as that is actually what has the greatest impact on our day to day lives.

The GOP party fractured when the Tea Party started getting a lot of power. The party had to move right to stay together. The Dems have had a similar move to the left since the Bernie movement started. This divide is very apparent in all of the major elections going on because while one moves left and the other moves right our country becomes more and more divided. We need leadership at the top that will bring those back to the middle.

The sad truth about our country is that way too many people don't understand who or what they are voting for. One of the many examples is the death tax. Lower income Republicans are adamant that they want to make sure the death tax goes away. Instead of doing research and understanding what it is they are brain washed to believe that it will be good for them. In reality, the death tax only effects the richest of the rich. Well that probably isn't true but your estate needs to be worth at least $2 million. (That could be inaccurate as it changes every year and I just don't know the exact number for 2016 or 2017).

On the other side you have people voting for increased minimum wage and free college tuition who don't understand the actual effects of those policies. There is absolutely no reason a kid in high school needs to be earning $15 per hour to put fries in to oil and then take them out. Also, from mainstream media reports, folks that have gotten an increased minimum wage are now requesting to work less hours. This is so that they can continue to be below the poverty line and get government aid.

The major problem we face is that folks that want to game the system will figure out a way. Whether it be Joe Schmo living in the projects who wants his government check. Or it be Joe Millionaire who wants to save a few more bucks on his taxes. We need systematic simplification and we need people to pass a litmus test to get the government aid that they want. With the way our government is setup now none of this will happen which is sad and will lead to the decline of our awesome country. Change needs to happen and I don't think Trump or Hillary are the ones for the job but unfortunately one of them will get it. I'll take the one that I think will screw it up less.

[tke1600]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

no i'm not ok with that, but again, had the republicans picked a qualified candidate rather than an ego-driven madman with no filter, the DNC would be paying for their sins and i'd be voting red this november (along with many more liberals that aren't fans of Hillary).

I think this just shows we are at such a weird divide. It's not Dem vs Rep, it's not really policy vs policy, it's down to basically "corruption vs derogatory language" in my eyes. Right now the MSM is feeding the Trump is bad narrative until they are blue in the face to try to distract from the corruption and unfortunately it is working better than it should.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by NeilCO

Evidence that the Clinton Foundation is not just corrupt, but actually a sham, putting tons of money in the Clintons' pockets while only doing minor good for anyone else.

Solid evidence that Hillary is responsible for a murder.

Solid evidence that Hillary could have protected the Americans in Benghazi, but chose not to for monetary reasons.

Just a few examples.


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The Clinton Foundation made a donation to the Trump Foundation in 2009.

The GOP cut funding for security measures to embassies a year prior to Benhazi. How did Colin Powell do in the same role?

Who did she murder?

[timber09]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

The major problem we face is that folks that want to game the system will figure out a way. Whether it be Joe Schmo living in the projects who wants his government check. Or it be Joe Millionaire who wants to save a few more bucks on his taxes. We need systematic simplification and we need people to pass a litmus test to get the government aid that they want. With the way our government is setup now none of this will happen which is sad and will lead to the decline of our awesome country. Change needs to happen and I don't think Trump or Hillary are the ones for the job but unfortunately one of them will get it. I'll take the one that I think will screw it up less.

I don't know that I would agree that what you described is THE major problem but I will certainly agree that is is a major problem and it hits all parties and all tax brackets. When it comes right down to it, Americans will overwhelmingly agree with the statement..."We have to cut government programs and spending - just don't cut mine!"...though they clearly needed worded in a different fashion.

Simplification is needed but is also a pipe dream in my opinion. With the two sides constantly gnashing their teeth and fighting for short-sighted and short-term "wins" they can bring back to champion for their own reelection, to get anything scrapped and redone is damn near impossible.

There are far too many sacred cows in government.

[zachtruitt]

Come on. If Hilary was responsible for murder, wouldn't that be a HUUUUUUGE story that the media would jump all over? It would drive ratings for weeks and months. Why bury that?

Probably because it didn't happen. Take all the shots you want but come on.

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by JosieD

The Clinton Foundation made a donation to the Trump Foundation in 2009.



The GOP cut funding for security measures to embassies a year prior to Benhazi. How did Colin Powell do in the same role?



Who did she murder?

Originally Posted by zachtruitt

Come on. If Hilary was responsible for murder, wouldn't that be a HUUUUUUGE story that the media would jump all over? It would drive ratings for weeks and months. Why bury that?

Probably because it didn't happen. Take all the shots you want but come on.

Are you both directing these questions/arguments to me? I was responding to the question, "What would it take for you to not vote for Hillary?"


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[swise0121]

Originally Posted by tke1600

I think this just shows we are at such a weird divide. It's not Dem vs Rep, it's not really policy vs policy, it's down to basically "corruption vs derogatory language" in my eyes. Right now the MSM is feeding the Trump is bad narrative until they are blue in the face to try to distract from the corruption and unfortunately it is working better than it should.

It's the society we will in at this time. People are less offended by someone who is a corrupt hypocrite rather than someone who is politically incorrect.

[swise0121]

Less bothered I should say