2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[Dielon]

Originally Posted by jdandns

1. Supreme Court nominees who will overturn the disastrous Citizens United decision
2. Expansion of the Affordable Care Act to cover all Americans
3. Common sense reform and expansion of gun laws

Translation: I am voting Dem no matter what drone candidate the DNC decides to back. Got it.

Im not advocating Trump either, I think its a joke that people have such party loyalty. ESPECIALLY this year.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Anyone that advocates for keeping the ACA in place is insane. Obama's venture into healthcare has hurt soooooo many families and businesses. It was built around nothing but lies

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Anyone that advocates for keeping the ACA in place is insane. Obama's venture into healthcare has hurt soooooo many families and businesses. It was built around nothing but lies

But it had to pass so we could find out what was in it.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Anyone that advocates for keeping the ACA in place is insane. Obama's venture into healthcare has hurt soooooo many families and businesses. It was built around nothing but lies

Has it hurt or helped more families? I'd say 16-17 million more people with healthcare, people with preexisting conditions being able to purchase healthcare, and more people being able to qualify for medicaid has been a positive.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Has it hurt or helped more families? I'd say 16-17 million more people with healthcare, people with preexisting conditions being able to purchase healthcare, and more people being able to qualify for medicaid has been a positive.

Forcing someone to pay a fine who chooses to not pay for medical insurance is an egregious overreach of government power. That fact, let alone the numerous other ridiculous provisions in the Act render any perceived benefits null and void.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Dielon

Translation: I am voting Dem no matter what drone candidate the DNC decides to back. Got it.

Im not advocating Trump either, I think its a joke that people have such party loyalty. ESPECIALLY this year.

Why especially this year? If you're referring to the DNC not being as, ahem, helpful to Bernie Sanders as they could have been, remember that he was not and still is not a Democrat. The job of the DNC is to get Democrats elected from the top of the ticket to the bottom. As for anything Hillary has done that troubles you, it is but a drop in the bucket compared to the continuing misdeeds of Donald J. Trump, who additionally has no command of the issues a President would have to deal with daily basis, and further, is a man who has never worked a day in his life for anyone but himself.

Beyond that, the Progressive Democratic Platform is what I wish to see strengthened where we have it in place already and enacted where we do not. Hillary is obviously more likely to do that than Trump. Stein and Johnson have zero chance of being elected. Pretty easy decision to back Hillary, but had Bernie defeated her, I'd be backing Bernie, just like Bernie is backing Hillary now. I supported Hillary in 2008 and Obama beat her. I then supported Obama in the general election in 2008 and again in 2012. I'm glad I did. 2016 is the same easy decision, and if I wasn't sure before, Obama's endorsement of Hillary would have sealed it in any event. Should he revoke that endorsement for any reason, I would re-evaluate my support. I don't see that happening.

As for the ACA, I wouldn't mind seeing it entirely wiped away, as long as it was immediately replaced by a single-payer system that covers every man, woman, and child in America, which is what the ACA was intended to be in the first place before the pharmaceutical masters of the GOP told their paid-for marionettes to fight it tooth and nail in Congress, rendering it a shell of what it was intended to be, but still better than nothing. Anything short of full coverage for all Americans, and we are not providing for the general welfare as our Founders intended. The ACA would have been a lot better from its inception if it had the bi-partisan support that it deserved, but hey, you work with what you have.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Forcing someone to pay a fine who chooses to not pay for medical insurance is an egregious overreach of government power. That fact, let alone the numerous other ridiculous provisions in the Act render any perceived benefits null and void.

-You are forced to purchase car insurance if you have a car.
-You are forced to purchase homeowners insurance if you have a home.
-You are forced to purchase renters insurance if you rent.

What is the difference?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

-You are forced to purchase car insurance if you have a car.
-You are forced to purchase homeowners insurance if you have a home.
-You are forced to purchase renters insurance if you rent.



What is the difference?

It's a big difference that I won't even bother elaborating on due to what are likely fundamental differences in opinion and perception. I can tell you believe free healthcare is a human right. I do not. No sense in going back and forth over it.

Although just so you don't think I am tucking tail and running away. The items you listed are a mandatory necessity to utilize said items. Medical insurance should not be mandatory. I have had insurance, as an adult, since I was 18. I have been to the doctors maybe 5 times in those 21 years. I am not using the services I am paying for. Why should I be forced to pay?

[TheHeel]

Not only am I one of the best POTUS of all time.....

I got game also....

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Not only am I one of the best POTUS of all time.....

I got game also....

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He may be able to shoot hoops but he throws a baseball like a 3 year old girl with pigtails and a My Little Pony shirt.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Not only am I one of the best POTUS of all time.....

I got game also....

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I'll bite...

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Not only am I one of the best POTUS of all time.....

I got game also....

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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

It's a big difference that I won't even bother elaborating on due to what are likely fundamental differences in opinion and perception. I can tell you believe free healthcare is a human right. I do not. No sense in going back and forth over it.

Although just so you don't think I am tucking tail and running away. The items you listed are a mandatory necessity to utilize said items. Medical insurance should not be mandatory. I have had insurance, as an adult, since I was 18. I have been to the doctors maybe 5 times in those 21 years. I am not using the services I am paying for. Why should I be forced to pay?

I do agree we have a difference of opinion and that is fine, not everyone can agree on everything. I'm just wondering about why you have it in for the health insurance mandate and seemingly didn't bring up the other areas in which insurance is mandated.

The healthcare isn't "free" as you put, but that's neither here nor there.

Your rate of using health insurance (once every 4 years) is more often than I use my car insurance and/or homeowners insurance. I'd love to not pay my yearly premiums for those 2 commodities and just pay out of pocket as problems arise. I've never filed an insurance claim in my life, so I'd be well ahead in that regard if I would have just put that money in an account.

So again, what is the difference? You can not have a car thus not have insurance, fine. You've got to live somewhere (rent or own) and you WILL be required to have insurance. I guess you could be a vagrant?

The mandatory insurance requirement in life is not a new concept, but I don't see the argument being made in other walks of life where insurance is forced as it has been for health insurance.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The healthcare isn't "free" as you put, but that's neither here nor there.

Your rate of using health insurance (once every 4 years) is more often than I use my car insurance and/or homeowners insurance. I'd love to not pay my yearly premiums for those 2 commodities and just pay out of pocket as problems arise. I've never filed an insurance claim in my life, so I'd be well ahead in that regard if I would have just put that money in an account.

So again, what is the difference? You can not have a car thus not have insurance, fine. You've got to live somewhere (rent or own) and you WILL be required to have insurance. I guess you could be a vagrant?

The mandatory insurance requirement in life is not a new concept, but I don't see the argument being made in other walks of life where insurance is forced as it has been for health insurance.

Sigh, I knew this was fruitless.

I will reiterate. I can choose to not have a car or a home herego I do not pay insurance. Under the ACA I cannot choose to remain uninsured lest I pay a fine. This is a circular argument that will get us nowhere fast.

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I do agree we have a difference of opinion and that is fine, not everyone can agree on everything. I'm just wondering about why you have it in for the health insurance mandate and seemingly didn't bring up the other areas in which insurance is mandated.

The healthcare isn't "free" as you put, but that's neither here nor there.

Your rate of using health insurance (once every 4 years) is more often than I use my car insurance and/or homeowners insurance. I'd love to not pay my yearly premiums for those 2 commodities and just pay out of pocket as problems arise. I've never filed an insurance claim in my life, so I'd be well ahead in that regard if I would have just put that money in an account.

So again, what is the difference? You can not have a car thus not have insurance, fine. You've got to live somewhere (rent or own) and you WILL be required to have insurance. I guess you could be a vagrant?

The mandatory insurance requirement in life is not a new concept, but I don't see the argument being made in other walks of life where insurance is forced as it has been for health insurance.

The difference is owning a car or a home is a choice. You are not required to by law to own either. You are required by law to have health insurance or pay a penalty.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Sigh, I knew this was fruitless.

I will reiterate. I can choose to not have a car or a home herego I do not pay insurance. Under the ACA I cannot choose to remain uninsured lest I pay a fine. This is a circular argument that will get us nowhere fast.

No I agree with you on that. You're right you can choose to not have a car or a house and thus not be "forced" to pay insurance, but why would you?

It would be like me saying "you could choose to live in another country and not be forced to pay insurance", but why would I do that? It's ridiculous to say.

Can I ask if you own a car and/or a house? I'm sure you do, as I doubt you're responding to me from a tent in the woods. If so, since you're seemingly so against being mandated to purchase insurance why do you have said things?

Basically if you're so up in arms over being mandated to purchase insurance, I hope you stick to your guns and don't own a car or a house. Otherwise it's just chatter in my opinion...

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

He may be able to shoot hoops but he throws a baseball like a 3 year old girl with pigtails and a My Little Pony shirt.

LOL

Originally Posted by corndog

I'll bite...

Bush was a solid athlete. The press covered him lifting weights and the man was throwing up, I think, 200 lbs.

Is an President a athlete??

[TheHeel]

Oh....BTW...Obama is so great, he did this.




True Story


God Bless

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

No I agree with you on that. You're right you can choose to not have a car or a house and thus not be "forced" to pay insurance, but why would you?

It would be like me saying "you could choose to live in another country and not be forced to pay insurance", but why would I do that? It's ridiculous to say.

Can I ask if you own a car and/or a house? I'm sure you do, as I doubt you're responding to me from a tent in the woods. If so, since you're seemingly so against being mandated to purchase insurance why do you have said things?

Basically if you're so up in arms over being mandated to purchase insurance, I hope you stick to your guns and don't own a car or a house. Otherwise it's just chatter in my opinion...

Yes I own a car. Car insurance is required so I pay it willingly. Yes I own a home. Home owners insurance is required so I pay it willingly. I am covered medically however I do not use it and it costs me money. I should not be required to pay for something I never use or pay a fine to the government. Do you understand the difference? I am sure you don't and that's OK. Like I said, fundamental differences in opinion play a role in this debate.

[TheHeel]

What can't Obama do?

He tamed the mythical beast, Falcor.....with OSAMA's head!!!

Again, true story.

God Bless.

[tacoma34]

That's Falcor

[cruiserdaddy7]

It's no wonder public schools are in shambles.

[zachtruitt]

Gerald Ford was a pretty good athlete. Former member of the Michigan football team. A big, solid dude for his day. SNL labelled him a klutz which has come to define him. I suppose it's better than being a crook like Nixon.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by tacoma34

That's Falcor

My bad...

I will edit my mess.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

It's no wonder public schools are in shambles.

Why is that?