2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[Athey49]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Dip, dodge, dive, duck. Does it matter who hacked the DNC? Watch Clinton Cash.

I'm assuming having a right winger telling me to watch a film called Clinton Cash is like having a die hard liberal telling me to watch every Michael Moore film.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Yes I do. Glad you think you can speak for me. Sorry I am not a mindless lemming.

No you don't. Legally, government officials are allowed to delete personal emails and do not have to include them in any FOIA requests. It really doesn't matter what you personally want and has nothing to do with being a mindless lemming. Just an understanding of the law.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I missed a few pages over the weekend but has there been any talk of Trump's Russia angle? For anyone making the call to keep money/influence out of politics, that should certainly discourage you from voting for him, no? Granted, if you've been able to overlook his behavior thus far, it probably won't matter.

Just in case you decide not to click the link...

Uranium investors’ efforts to buy mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States led to a takeover bid by a Russian state-owned energy company. The investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation over the same period, while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s office was involved with approving the Russian bid.


What was pgisback saying about Reagan again?

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pac213up

I never said my personal experienced trumped anything. Keeping reaching.

Uhh yea, you did here's the quote.

Originally Posted by pac213up

Lol...I don't need a brief paper. I have lived through the experience and know many others who have as well.

You said that your personal experience was more valuable than a study. If you truly believe that you're pretty naive.

That's like me saying, my personal experience of walking around the earth gives me more incite than academia on quantum physics.

Originally Posted by pac213up

I would never suggest the current system works well. It is terrible and has been for a long time. I just do not believe ripping kids away from families (brothers and sisters included) and putting them in another terrible system (foster care) for a failed drug test, without taking other steps first, makes much sense.

What are the other steps? Rehab? If we're not taking away their benefits they're not going to change.

If you want me to pay for your housing and food you better not be wasting my money on drugs, what's so hard for you to understand about that?

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by Athey49

I'm assuming having a right winger telling me to watch a film called Clinton Cash is like having a die hard liberal telling me to watch every Michael Moore film.

I have watched Michael Moore movies.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by pgisback

No you don't. All government employees are given the right to delete personal emails and they do not fall under the FOIA. But it's still interesting to see the Repubs teaming up with the Russians to attack a political opponent. I wonder what Reagan would think of this, lol. It's kind of crazy.

Reclassifying Governmental e-mails is a violation of the Espionage Act and deleting said communiques is a violation of the Records Act, even after their reclassification.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

Dip, dodge, dive, duck. Does it matter who hacked the DNC? Watch Clinton Cash.

I was referencing his investment and financial relationships with Russia and his campaign swooping in to rewrite the GOP platform during the RNC, reversing the party's stance to arm Ukraine against Russian forces. He seems to be overly reverent to Russia and Putin for somebody running for president.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by pgisback

No you don't. Legally, government officials are allowed to delete personal emails and do not have to include them in any FOIA requests. It really doesn't matter what you personally want and has nothing to do with being a mindless lemming. Just an understanding of the law.

They are allowed to delete emails, but the thing is they are backed up on Government servers. (Just in case you accidentally delete something you might need later). She used an unauthorized server for Government work. Then destroyed this server when the FBI came knocking. So hopefully someone hacked this server so the American people can see

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I was referencing his investment and financial relationships with Russia and his campaign swooping in to rewrite the GOP platform during the RNC, reversing the party's stance to arm Ukraine against Russian forces. He seems to be overly reverent to Russia and Putin for somebody running for president.

His admiration for dictators and the sick things they did/do to get power is kind of creepy. There's no doubt in my mind he's running to be a dictator. Like after listening to his speech, I don't even know if I should leave the house anymore. ISIS and illegals are around every corner.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

Social security disability is the newest welfare scam. When I speak of entitlements, I speak of food stamps and medicaid. Not to mention housing and all of the other handouts to citizens that are a drain on society.

Military spending can be upped with funds that are re-allocated from entitlement programs. Want to eat? Work. Want healthcare? Work. Want a roof over your head? Work.

It's funny to me listening to the DNC speakers mention slavery. In this society, the people who go out and earn a living are slaves to those on food stamps and so on. So things have turn around quite a bit. I am a slave to the very people complaining about slavery hundreds of years ago.

Talk about double standards and hypocrisy.

the amount of money they would be able to re-allocate if they cut social programs would be a drop in the bucket of the current military spending. what do you suggest they spend more money on? We're already swimming in materiel we don't need or use. The military has resorted to overpaying for equipment just to spend the cash. Unless you want to line Dick Cheney's pockets more by shelling out more money to the PMC companies like Blackwater...

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

94% Trump
86% Johnson
74% Castle
23% Stein
16% Clinton

I'm not surprised though I am not voting for Trump. The poll isn't very scientific and is certainly open to a lot of interpretation. Many of the questions asked aren't simple yes or no type of questions.

If you click the "other stances" for each question, you get more nuanced responses. try it again. And on the left of each question, if it's something you don't care about you can rate it "Least".

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

I appreciate the advice of volunteering. Considering our church serves meals quite often for the homeless as well as being a Prokids volunteer, I do my part. Do you?

A person in poverty can get a job. Do not convince yourself otherwise. There are hiring signs everywhere. I have many clients that run businesses and complain often that people simply do not want to work.

There is a lack of pride among MANY of those receiving welfare. It's easier to sit home and allow the government to support you. Welfare was setup to be temporary assistance. Now, it's become a lifeline that people do not get off of.

Mental health issues in kids are rising, I agree. One way to address that is to take a realistic look at ADHD. We need to call that what it is: bad parenting. Schools don't want to deal with those kids, so they diagnose them ADHD and sedate them with drugs. Autism is an issue and I do hope that continued research will lead us to the cause.

I feel like people just assume what it's like to need assistance programs and think it's all sunshine and roses. It's not. it's a gritty existence.

and the BIG issue is the "gap". There exists a point where you make enough money to get off of the welfare programs, but in the process of losing that help, you end up taking a MASSIVE decrease in income. This is why the system is gamed. Either up the threshold for benefits so people don't have to game the system to keep their benefits to stop themselves from taking that income cut.

Now, i have no idea how much they get for aid. Let's say they get 1k from the government, and they supplement with another 500 a month in income from work. Let's say they get a better job that gets them 1k a month. This is great and exactly what we want, but the problem is they hit that 1k threshold in income and their aid cuts off. So rather than getting a 500 dollar a month raise, they end up taking a 500 dollar a month decrease, which can be devastating.

Math (pre new job): 1k in welfare + 500 in wages = 1500
Math (post new job): 1 k in wages + 0 welfare= 1000 a month.

They got a better job (which is what everybody wants to happen), but they essentially get punished for it. If you can find a way to bridge that gap, i think you'll find more people work their way off of these programs.



but don't for one second think a majority of people are "proud" to be on welfare. it's embarrassing.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

They are allowed to delete emails, but the thing is they are backed up on Government servers. (Just in case you accidentally delete something you might need later). She used an unauthorized server for Government work. Then destroyed this server when the FBI came knocking. So hopefully someone hacked this server so the American people can see

You cannot request the government to release an employees personal emails. And actively wanting someone to hack a political opponent to show emails that were legally deleted is kind of sick.

And the investigation is over. They found no evidence she deleted emails to try to obstruct the FBI or hide information. Sorry bud.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

And the investigation is over. They found no evidence she deleted emails to try to obstruct the FBI or hide information. Sorry bud.

That wasn't the point. Whether she deleted emails or not makes no difference. She lied under oath about transmitting classified information

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

I have watched Michael Moore movies.

Michael Moore says Trump is going to win

5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win | MICHAEL MOORE

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

That wasn't the point. Whether she deleted emails or not makes no difference. She lied under oath about transmitting classified information

Not according to the FBI. The FBI found no evidence she knowingly transmitted classified information.

[Ephland]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Haha! I am actually at work and I decided to not respond to that given the direction the thread was going. I had put in effort on things that Hillary supporters had not. Any opinion I would have given would of been just that...an opinion. The same could be said for Hillary's platform...or lack thereof that I have seen in this thread.

As long as you admit that most of the "bad things" about the last 8 years that you listed were just your opinion, and not factual.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

the amount of money they would be able to re-allocate if they cut social programs would be a drop in the bucket of the current military spending. what do you suggest they spend more money on? We're already swimming in materiel we don't need or use. The military has resorted to overpaying for equipment just to spend the cash. Unless you want to line Dick Cheney's pockets more by shelling out more money to the PMC companies like Blackwater...





If you click the "other stances" for each question, you get more nuanced responses. try it again. And on the left of each question, if it's something you don't care about you can rate it "Least".




I feel like people just assume what it's like to need assistance programs and think it's all sunshine and roses. It's not. it's a gritty existence.

and the BIG issue is the "gap". There exists a point where you make enough money to get off of the welfare programs, but in the process of losing that help, you end up taking a MASSIVE decrease in income. This is why the system is gamed. Either up the threshold for benefits so people don't have to game the system to keep their benefits to stop themselves from taking that income cut.

Now, i have no idea how much they get for aid. Let's say they get 1k from the government, and they supplement with another 500 a month in income from work. Let's say they get a better job that gets them 1k a month. This is great and exactly what we want, but the problem is they hit that 1k threshold in income and their aid cuts off. So rather than getting a 500 dollar a month raise, they end up taking a 500 dollar a month decrease, which can be devastating.

Math (pre new job): 1k in welfare + 500 in wages = 1500
Math (post new job): 1 k in wages + 0 welfare= 1000 a month.

They got a better job (which is what everybody wants to happen), but they essentially get punished for it. If you can find a way to bridge that gap, i think you'll find more people work their way off of these programs.



but don't for one second think a majority of people are "proud" to be on welfare. it's embarrassing.

There is no point in you and I going back and forth. I am hardcover right, and you are hard core left.

Your employment is dependant upon liberal policies and ideals. The teachers union is in the pocket of all liberal politicians. They feed one another while all the time the last thing on their mind...the children. It's quite sad.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by pgisback

You cannot request the government to release an employees personal emails. And actively wanting someone to hack a political opponent to show emails that were legally deleted is kind of sick.

And the investigation is over. They found no evidence she deleted emails to try to obstruct the FBI or hide information. Sorry bud.

Aren't you the one that wanted the government to hack peoples personal Iphones??

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by Ephland

As long as you admit that most of the "bad things" about the last 8 years that you listed were just your opinion, and not factual.

I am ok with that. One thing I would like to add though...government expansion and US debt is pretty much a fact...IMO.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Aren't you the one that wanted the government to hack peoples personal Iphones??

To get information from terrorists who killed 14 innocent people. Yes.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Not according to the FBI. The FBI found no evidence she knowingly transmitted classified information.

You might want to do some basic research before you make assumptions

Directly from Comey's press release which can be found here https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by pgisback

You cannot request the government to release an employees personal emails. And actively wanting someone to hack a political opponent to show emails that were legally deleted is kind of sick.

And the investigation is over. They found no evidence she deleted emails to try to obstruct the FBI or hide information. Sorry bud.

Rigged just like Bernie winning the Democratic nomination. If Clinton had followed proper procedures and used a government server I would probably think differently, but this is not the case.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

You might want to do some basic research before you make assumptions

Directly from Comey's press release which can be found here https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

Lol, you might want to do some basic research before you make assumptions that have already been addressed by the Director of the FBI.

"We did not find evidence sufficient to establish that she knew she was sending classified information beyond a reasonable doubt to meet the intent standard,"

[greentown]

Originally Posted by pgisback

To get information from terrorists who killed 14 innocent people. Yes.

Notice how quick they were to help bust the owner of kickass torrents.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Lol, you might want to do some basic research before you make assumptions that have already been addressed by the Director of the FBI.

"We did not find evidence sufficient to establish that she knew she was sending classified information beyond a reasonable doubt to meet the intent standard,"

So, emails were sent from and received by her email server that contained classified info at the time of being sent but she had no idea? You're a sheep, you believe exactly what Clinton and her cronies want you to believe and it's pretty sad.

I hope that one day you can wake up and see past the facade. It's there in plain site, Comey wanted to keep his job and Lynch would never prosecute Clinton anyways

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

So, emails were sent from and received by her email server that contained classified info at the time of being sent but she had no idea? You're a sheep, you believe exactly what Clinton and her cronies want you to believe and it's pretty sad.

I hope that one day you can wake up and see past the facade.

"We did not find evidence sufficient to establish that she knew she was sending classified information beyond a reasonable doubt to meet the intent standard,"

I mean if you have the evidence the FBI doesn't have, please let me have it. Then I might change my mind.