Goldin's Mild Description

[dengbang]

"The card displays a moderately circulated manner of appearance, with note to imperfections at the corner."

Saw this hard to find Jordan on Reddit in raw form...there's more than just corner imperfections, yet Goldin's description doesn't say anything about the surface or edges.

Here's the kicker...Goldin reached out to that owner to consign the card with them.

Isn't this a bit unethical?




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[kingofsnake]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance... Eff's sake.

[KhalDrogo]

I think anyone can see the card is beat to #@#@#@#@. Probably a 3-4? Anytime I see an authentic slab, I assume the grade is less than a 7 even if there’s no visible issue. I know not all feel that way. But people who slab authentic should realize that there are potential buyers who do.

So rare and awesome of a parallel, but the eye appeal just isn’t there.

[dengbang]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I think anyone can see the card is beat to #@#@#@#@. Probably a 3-4? Anytime I see an authentic slab, I assume the grade is less than a 7 even if there’s no visible issue. I know not all feel that way. But people who slab authentic should realize that there are potential buyers who do.



So rare and awesome of a parallel, but the eye appeal just isn’t there.

The photo from Goldin doesn't show the edge wear that the owners raw photo shows. That's where the description is needed as photos don't tell the whole story. In this case Goldin downplayed the condition. Anyone looking at just the auction won't even know there's edge wear.

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[SupermanBrandon]

Wait...whut? Kenny G is the most ethical businessman in the hobby. Check my sig.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by dengbang

The photo from Goldin doesn't show the edge wear that the owners raw photo shows. That's where the description is needed as photos don't tell the whole story. In this case Goldin downplayed the condition. Anyone looking at just the auction won't even know there's edge wear.

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What edge wear are you talking about? In the slab, I can see it all along the right middle to lower border.

[boxbuster7]

psa authentic is a total scumbag move, especially when the card is autographed with a 10 grade. the fact that psa allows it says a lot about them.

ps: 2004 black diamond is the set that got me hooked onto cards!

[Ericc5Bears]

I mean, the corner damage is clear as day from the scans. It would be one thing if they didn't mention a crease or something that can get hidden by the slab but I don't really see any problem with this.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

I mean, the corner damage is clear as day from the scans. It would be one thing if they didn't mention a crease or something that can get hidden by the slab but I don't really see any problem with this.

do you work for goldin?

[Nomad]

I mean but 1/5 over grade any day, am I right?

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

do you work for goldin?

No, but I guess unlike some people in this thread I have a pair of functioning eyeballs.

[dengbang]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

No, but I guess unlike some people in this thread I have a pair of functioning eyeballs.

We get it you don't see the problem. Just move on bud.

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[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by dengbang

We get it you don't see the problem. Just move on bud.

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I replied to someone who quoted my message which is an incredibly normal thing to do on an online forum.

[dengbang]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

I replied to someone who quoted my message which is an incredibly normal thing to do on an online forum.

I understand, direct your message to them, don't say some people.

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[duron]

Don’t all these scummy consignment companies regularly use similar, minimizing wording when it comes to imperfections? PWCC was the king of this. I’m not sure if they still post them, but try not to cringe during their YouTube clips where they preview upcoming auctions and describe the card’s condition. I think Brentsy himself was the narrator.

That said, I agree with Eric and he seems to be getting some unwarranted flak. This isn’t one of the more egregious examples.

[dengbang]

Originally Posted by duron

Don’t all these scummy consignment companies regularly use similar, minimizing wording when it comes to imperfections? PWCC was the king of this. I’m not sure if they still post them, but try not to cringe during their YouTube clips where they preview upcoming auctions and describe the card’s condition. I think Brentsy himself was the narrator.



That said, I agree with Eric and he seems to be getting some unwarranted flak. This isn’t one of the more egregious examples.

Photos can be misleading, so buyers rely on the item description and in this case, they aren't disclosing the damaged surface and damaged edges.

The main point I was trying to bring attention to is being missed. I was questioning the practice of searching social media for clients and using that kind of description to in a sense get higher bids. If I hadn't known that Goldin reached out to the owner to consign their card and hadn't seen the damage previously, I wouldn't have made the thread.



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[Stifle]

Originally Posted by dengbang

We get it you don't see the problem. Just move on bud.

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Deng, the member was making the same take on the issue as I would. I can see the card is beat but it’s Rare. Rarity vs Gradability ? It’s out of 5 and if I collected Jordan and needed the card?

Went to a show down in Indiana where the dealer was talking about having a beat to heck Mantle card that I believe was ripped and he sold for $400 at a previous show. I’m not even sure it was a Mantle RC, but the buyer wanted one no matter the condition. The Jordan has value even if it’s worse than the listed description.

No, I don’t work for or have ever utilized Golden.

[duron]

Originally Posted by dengbang

Photos can be misleading, so buyers rely on the item description and in this case, they aren't disclosing the damaged surface and damaged edges.

The main point I was trying to bring attention to is being missed. I was questioning the practice of searching social media for clients and using that kind of description to in a sense get higher bids. If I hadn't known that Goldin reached out to the owner to consign their card and hadn't seen the damage previously, I wouldn't have made the thread.



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I definitely didn't miss the part about them reaching out to the reddit user and being aware of all the damage when it was ungraded. When you start combing the internetz to find business as opposed to letting it come to you, I think it speaks to how desperate you've become.

And again, I'm also not a fan of these descriptions, but it's almost common (unethical) practice at this point. This includes times when they're aware of additional damage prior to consignment.

You can only hope that the "AUTHENTIC" designation on a PSA slab will send more Spidey senses into max-tingle in the future.

[gameissued]

Somewhat agree too. It's shown in poor shape already so a bit of edge wear isn't going make it much worse overall. Nobody's buying this for condition anyway, more about the rarity. Also, the edges can be seen in the scans (if there was a bad hidden crease though, different story). Yes, better to note everything in the description, but this does not seem outrageous.

Slightly off topic, but should a seller describe a poor 80/20 centering or just let buyers judge for themselves? Same with autographs. I'm most willing to note defects but at the same time no need for description "overkill" and dupe your own listings.

Originally Posted by Stifle

Deng, the member was making the same take on the issue as I would. I can see the card is beat but it’s Rare. Rarity vs Gradability ? It’s out of 5 and if I collected Jordan and needed the card?

Went to a show down in Indiana where the dealer was talking about having a beat to heck Mantle card that I believe was ripped and he sold for $400 at a previous show. I’m not even sure it was a Mantle RC, but the buyer wanted one no matter the condition. The Jordan has value even if it’s worse than the listed description.

No, I don’t work for or have ever utilized Golden.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

I mean, the corner damage is clear as day from the scans. It would be one thing if they didn't mention a crease or something that can get hidden by the slab but I don't really see any problem with this.

Not sure why so much backlash to this post.
The corners and edges are pretty clear. Only if there were surface issues/creases that we can't see (and the surface on the original image looks fine?) would it really be unethical.

As much as I question some Goldin practices, him reaching out about a rare card (I've never seen it before, for sure) to sell doesn't mean anything here. The only issue here seems to be that the description is pretty cringe.

[fabiani12333]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance? Did outdated AI generate that description?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by kingofsnake

Moderately circulated manner of appearance... Eff's sake.

Perfect description of my vehicle tires.

[zworykin]

Company in the business of selling people's cards offers to sell person's card - story at 11!

[fabiani12333]

I don't see anything unethical here. Clear high resolution images of the card are provided that show conspicuous wear.

If you're paying a lot of money for a card, you should realize conditions can differ and a card slabbed but not graded can literally be in any condition.

[ljandkg]

Moderately circulated manner of appearance.

Describes me at 49.