What, do you feel, is killing this hobby???

[DigitalTurk]

Getting a panini laundry tag jersey card of a point guard and it says xxxxl

Greed ruins the hobby, sometimes our eyeballs are bigger than our wallets.
Credit cards are evil.

[tristan20]

Wiggins

[MRFINLEY]

Everybody just sell and buy...............to little trading in my mind.

[Jamil]

Originally Posted by DajuanWagner

Anyone care to translate????

Ouch!
Apologies, wasn't the clearest post. For the guy pointing out i'm international thanks for having my back but i'm from England mate, English is definatley my first language

In short, For me nothing is killing the hobby.
The way it has changed in recent years (panini & more high-end products) is what attracted me to it.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/horses_for_courses
That should help with the last bit.

Cheers,

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

Easy answer, the people involved in the hobby are what's killing the hobby. Whiny, entitled, the "I didn't get a 4000% ROI on the case/box I just busted so this hobby sucks" crowd for starters haha.

exactly. while i dont think the hobby is dying, the constant negativity and whining surely puts a strain on the hobby. but thats just life and people in general.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by MRFINLEY

Everybody just sell and buy...............to little trading in my mind.

i guarantee you if this site had an organize and trade tool like beckett's site there would be much more trading on here.

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by Jamil

Ouch!
Apologies, wasn't the clearest post. For the guy pointing out i'm international thanks for having my back but i'm from England mate, English is definatley my first language

In short, For me nothing is killing the hobby.
The way it has changed in recent years (panini & more high-end products) is what attracted me to it.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/horses_for_courses
That should help with the last bit.

Cheers,

Thanks for clearing that up. Makes perfect sense.

[bkcardcollector]

Cards used to be collectable now it is a market.

As soon as something is identified as collectable they quickly become merchandise (something to be consumed) as opposed to collectables (something to be saved).

Billions of cards get produced and everyone keeps them in special cases and they are not hard to get. They are simply not rare anymore and anyone can find them. Why would people collect stuff that they can get anytime they want????

Or society is consumeristic and not materialistic...We like buying not collecting.

You want to collect something than find something that is rare and hard to replace and worth holding onto.

Roger...Roger? Over and Out

[blinkme323]

It's an interesting debate, because technically, more money is flowing into the hobby and vis-à-vis Panini's pockets than ever before. That being said, the single-license domains need to stop. Once some legitimate competition is injected, then I guarantee you will start seeing some better products, but until then, Panini has almost zero incentive to put out anything innovative, as they are the only game in town.

[8collector34]

You. When your hobby becomes business.

[SPauthentic84]

Thanks for posting this.

I have been thinking about this for the majority of the day. I think the main things are

Obama

Lack of diversity in the hobby

Bears

Chris Bosh

Trump

The D-League

[JMarchand1981]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Bro I'm straight killin the hobby bro

Great reply here.

[BrandonBarnett]

Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

Easy answer, the people involved in the hobby are what's killing the hobby. Whiny, entitled, the "I didn't get a 4000% ROI on the case/box I just busted so this hobby sucks" crowd for starters haha.

This right here..... The hobby is just that a hobby..... Looking at it as a "investment" dulls it down and makes it stressful....

[rttrffg2012]

The consumers not standing up to the card companies over-producing, over-pricing, manipulative, redemption replacing, best-hits-at-the-national, cut auto-ing, rainbow serialing, die-cutting,one-refractor-to-a-pack asses!!!!

[nissandriver77]

People

[tmar214]

The Internet has changed the hobby a lot. Maybe not in a bad way.

Even the rarest cards are easy to track down. Less incentive to open a box when every card released is going to show up on ebay at some point. Having these massive worldwide secondary markets pop up has changed it from collecting to investing for a lot of people.

[8collector34]

Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

No one in this hobby or any hobby that deals with "collectibles" wants to see their value go to zero no matter what they might say on a message board.

I actually went trough that. Before I got back to the hobby, I sold my entire collection to make rent. Except for the Kobe and Shaq cards, which were dear to me. I literally tough that I was the only one on the planet who still had their basketball cards and they are worthless. I found a guy in an online ad who bough 10000+ cards from me for 2 cents a piece. When he handed the money to me I wanted to run, "before the sucker changes his mind". Turns out... I am the sucker.

[sjim8660]

I am sure someone already said this, but I will say it again. I use to be able to get packs for $1.00 and I was happy to "hit" a card of my favorite team. Most kids dont want sports cards now, because sports cards are way to expensive. Even at Target, retail packs are like $3.00. Kids don't want to spend their money on that, to a 9 year old thats too much. Look at the blaster boxes, those are $20. It has become a money thing to the card companies and they have convinced the customers that you could get rich opening our product. I personally only buy singles and every now and then I will get in a GB if I really like the product. The hobby has just changed a lot. I use to pull a $10 card and be happy, but now thats just not the case because packs and boxes cost a lot.

[1123dylantag]

The hobby will never die because there will always be collectors, but it's taking heavy damage especially from the "fake foreign" market. Doesn't help that the players are constantly cranking out autographs in mass quantities.

[RYBOWSKI97]

Mass production of jerseys and autos and 1/1's which is why we can find magic johnson autos for $30 now---thanks panini
making wax too expensive for kids, they are the future and there is nothing marketed towards them except sticker books from panini and score football. When i was a kid i could spend my allowance on several packs and still have money left. Now most packs except topps, score and hoops are out of a kids price range.
Lack of competition, there should be 3-4 companies making cards not just 1-2. This is why football is going down the crapper.

[rodmanmartinez]

Originally Posted by Rabie1

Yeah. I am very funny. But not as funny as this thread.

If you want me to be serious though, why dont you tell me why did you think something is killing this hobby. What made you think that in the first place? Did you consider that for some people maybe it is not?

i know a few proper collectors on here and that enjoy several releases a year, collect their fav players and teams and have no issues with reselling values. Make money, not make money, not a problem. As long as there is a few of those people in the hobby i think it is going to be just fine.

Just like everything in life, there is the good and the bad. I just enjoy the good of it more than the bad. Making negative posts like this is honestly, and nothing against you btw, pointless. You creating negativity in people's heads and around the hobby overall. I mean what. did u expect someone to walk in here and say anything u can build on and fix this hobby? be honest. no. you started with negative. added more negative. had people post more negative and then what? this is supposed to be a place we leave work/school and check out to pass time and discuss the cards we have/want to have. Not a place for this negative crap. This is for OP and all the negative trolls out there btw. take a chill pill and relax or try collecting toy cars or trains or something.

Finally some sense in this forum, im rather new to this place and very quickly im starting to get tired with all the constant whining that takes place in here.

The threads that get more attention and comments are this type of threads where the regulars use to bash panini and whine about UD and others not being around, MOVE ON and take it like it is. Panini is here to stay and there is probably a slim to none chance of UD ever coming back, so if you are not happy with what the hobby has turned into, the door is wide open find another hobby/forum and stop feeding this place with all this trash.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

Mass production of jerseys and autos and 1/1's which is why we can find magic johnson autos for $30 now---thanks panini
making wax too expensive for kids, they are the future and there is nothing marketed towards them except sticker books from panini and score football. When i was a kid i could spend my allowance on several packs and still have money left. Now most packs except topps, score and hoops are out of a kids price range.
Lack of competition, there should be 3-4 companies making cards not just 1-2. This is why football is going down the crapper.

Kids can't afford a pack of Hoops? Come on.

What about Donruss or the new Complete (less than $1 per pack) product?

Isn't a pack/box of Hoops or Prizm essentially the same price as a pack/box of Yugioh? Maybe kids just don't care about basketball cards anymore.

[Andy5]

You can't expect everyone to hold hands and dance around the Panini tree. Every company cops it, UD and Topps had huge criticism in their heyday.

What people don't understand is, Panini needs criticism. There's no other competitor around to drive them to add more effort into their products and with the presence of gamblers and group breaks, it only makes it easier for them to continue this way.

Some may take the negativity too far. But for the most part it's warranted. Don't you think that with all the negative posts around, maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with the way the sole provider of licensed NBA cards is running things? I remember reading something in a Beckett magazine where Panini said they were all about the collector. If you look at the end of their 14-15 products, it doesn't really look like they're catering for the collector at all. I think the point about the hobby being a business and business only is valid, not just for consumers. Now I don't blame them for trying to maximize profits, but it would be easy to profit whilst listening to the average collector once in a while too.

[limitedplay]

I would say around 95% of cards go down, not up or stay the same lol. If a player goes up they make as many as possible until they go down. All these new high end products for no reason. Luxe, noir im not even sure. Its the same damm players as the other sets. If I hit a kobe fron luxe /10 but can get a immaculate for 25% less i will just sell the luxe and pick up a immaculate. Thus there is NEVER any real incentive to EVER keep a card. Just burn and turn and try to pull a monster card.

[egforevervlad]

- player warn instead of game worn
- lots of quantity, not enough quality (like focusing on card design and pictures rather than # of different sets)
- loss of competition between companies so there's a less incentive to make better products