LeBron market falling?

[ninjacookies]

BO LBJ debate consortium:



LePangea arriving home to his Brentwood gigamansion after a demoralizing beatdown:





There's levels.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

and with the exception of a few collectors, is largely forgotten.


I like Timmy, but he's an afterthought.

Bahahaha. An afterthought to who?

So now it's

LeBron has more stats
LeBron is playing well at 39
LeBron is more thought of

Lol.

What's next. LeBron has more endorsements.

Talk about pathetic. Some of you guys clutch at the weirdest stuff.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

BO LBJ debate consortium:



LePangea arriving home to his Brentwood gigamansion after a demoralizing beatdown:





There's levels.

We can tell you're hurting from this one.

Suck it.

[drobfan8]

Look at LeBron brushing back the one hair on his head he has left.

Ah ha ha.

Always the best time of the year when LeBron drops out of the hunt. And it happens so often.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Suck it.

Your lack of a #nodiddy clause makes me think this is more a veiled Skype invite vs. metaphoric vitriol.

His Baldness is forever the GOATse in my eyes.


But your level of persistent angst over an arbitrary fossil is both hilarious and heartwarming.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Your lack of a #nodiddy clause makes me think this is more a veiled Skype invite vs. metaphoric vitriol.

His Baldness is forever the GOATse in my eyes.


But your level of persistent angst over an arbitrary fossil is both hilarious and heartwarming.

Hugs and kisses as always boo

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Hugs and kisses as always boo

PM works best.

<3

[robert0629]

His card prices should have been falling as he ages and his skills decline. But he's defied father time. What other all-time great athlete has done this? I can think of one - Barry Bonds.

[robert0629]

As good as LeBron has been this late in his career, you can still make an argument that Jordan has been more successful after the age of 34 than LeBron.

The seasons that LeBron has had after the age of 34, includes his entire time with the Lakers. During LeBron’s six seasons with the Lakers he had:

1 championship, I Finals MVP, 1 time assist leader, 6 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA 1st team (likely won’t make 1st team this season), won 6 playoff series, and went 27-21 in the playoffs.

Jordan turned 34 toward the end of the 1997 season before the 1st Utah Finals series. During his final two seasons with the Bulls and two seasons with the Wizards he had:

2 championships, 2 Finals MVPs, 1 regular season MVP, 2 scoring titles, 4 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA 1st team, 2 time NBA All-Defensive 1st team, won 8 playoff series, and went 30-10 in the playoffs.

LeBron played 3 of those seasons with another All-Star teammate (AD). Jordan played 1 of those seasons with another All-Star teammate (Pippin).

Despite Jordan having little success with the Wizards and going just 37-45 both seasons, these two seasons are no worse than two of LeBron’s Laker seasons. In 2018-19 the Lakers went 37-45, and in 2021-22 they went 33-49.

So, despite being the superior player, playing more seasons, and having a better supporting cast, LeBron has accomplished less than Jordan after the age of 34. It may look like hate, but maybe this is why so many fans are critical of him. He declares himself the GOAT, his wife calls him the GOAT, he pays members of the media to push the GOAT narrative, and then he doesn’t win. Most fans equate greatness with winning. So why is the GOAT always failing?

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by robert0629

As good as LeBron has been this late in his career, you can still make an argument that Jordan has been more successful after the age of 34 than LeBron.

The seasons that LeBron has had after the age of 34, includes his entire time with the Lakers. During LeBron’s six seasons with the Lakers he had:

1 championship, I Finals MVP, 1 time assist leader, 6 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA 1st team (likely won’t make 1st team this season), won 6 playoff series, and went 27-21 in the playoffs.

Jordan turned 34 toward the end of the 1997 season before the 1st Utah Finals series. During his final two seasons with the Bulls and two seasons with the Wizards he had:

2 championships, 2 Finals MVPs, 1 regular season MVP, 2 scoring titles, 4 time All-Star, 2 time All-NBA 1st team, 2 time NBA All-Defensive 1st team, won 8 playoff series, and went 30-10 in the playoffs.

LeBron played 3 of those seasons with another All-Star teammate (AD). Jordan played 1 of those seasons with another All-Star teammate (Pippin).

I think this needs broken down...

97-98-Pipp(e)n didn't play a single game in NOV/DEC...in which MJ was 33 by the way, so he wasn't an All-Star. The first time in 6 years he wasn't.

Things Pippen did do that year alone?
Top 10 MVP
Defensive 1st Team
All-NBA 3rd Team

Rodman led the NBA in rebounding and was DPOY Top 5.

Pippen and Rodman are both Top 75 Player Members.
Pippen is a Top 50 Player Member in which he was enshrined at 31!

This one should have stayed in the drafts folder.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by robert0629

His card prices should have been falling as he ages and his skills decline. But he's defied father time. What other all-time great athlete has done this? I can think of one - Barry Bonds.

Tom Brady, duh.

[williemayshayes]

Originally Posted by robert0629

His card prices should have been falling as he ages and his skills decline. But he's defied father time. What other all-time great athlete has done this? I can think of one - Barry Bonds.

Hank Aaron
35- 44HR
36- 38HR
37- 47HR
38- 34HR
39- 40HR

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

I think this needs broken down...

97-98-Pipp(e)n didn't play a single game in NOV/DEC...in which MJ was 33 by the way, so he wasn't an All-Star. The first time in 6 years he wasn't.

Things Pippen did do that year alone?
Top 10 MVP
Defensive 1st Team
All-NBA 3rd Team

Rodman led the NBA in rebounding and was DPOY Top 5.

Pippen and Rodman are both Top 75 Player Members.
Pippen is a Top 50 Player Member in which he was enshrined at 31!

This one should have stayed in the drafts folder.

People here LOVE to ignore the difference in eras and in the league at the time. They keep bringing up “all-star teammates”. Jordan got to play alongside the best shooter of his time, the best rebounder of his time, one of the best all around players of his time in Pippen, 2 top defenders, one of the best European players at the time one of the best coaches and.. went and got Horace grant. Which teammate of LeBron’s was best in the league at any of those things alongside him? Let alone all of them. Hint: They weren’t. Let’s ignore all of dat and say “all-star”.

We also ignore there was expansion going on and teams were being watered down not getting better.

Jordan was on THE super team of his era.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

People here LOVE to ignore the difference in eras and in the league at the time. They keep bringing up “all-star teammates”. Jordan got to play alongside the best shooter of his time, the best rebounder of his time, one of the best all around players of his time in Pippen, 2 top defenders, one of the best European players at the time one of the best coaches and.. went and got Horace grant. Which teammate of LeBron’s was best in the league at any of those things alongside him? Let alone all of them. Hint: They weren’t. Let’s ignore all of dat and say “all-star”.

We also ignore there was expansion going on and teams were being watered down not getting better.

Jordan was on THE super team of his era.

Full delusion here...

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

People here LOVE to ignore the difference in eras and in the league at the time. They keep bringing up “all-star teammates”. Jordan got to play alongside the best shooter of his time, the best rebounder of his time, one of the best all around players of his time in Pippen, 2 top defenders, one of the best European players at the time one of the best coaches and.. went and got Horace grant. Which teammate of LeBron’s was best in the league at any of those things alongside him? Let alone all of them. Hint: They weren’t. Let’s ignore all of dat and say “all-star”.

We also ignore there was expansion going on and teams were being watered down not getting better.

Jordan was on THE super team of his era.

Don't forget Bill Cartwright and Will Perdue

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[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Full delusion here...

Everything I stated was actually factual.. unlike your “age is an excuse” nonsense. Don’t need to go into vivid detail. Which one is not a fact.

[Braswell10]

Misery loves company. That’s why all the same losers band together and can’t help themselves lmao.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

People here LOVE to ignore the difference in eras and in the league at the time. They keep bringing up “all-star teammates”. Jordan got to play alongside the best shooter of his time, the best rebounder of his time, one of the best all around players of his time in Pippen, 2 top defenders, one of the best European players at the time one of the best coaches and.. went and got Horace grant. Which teammate of LeBron’s was best in the league at any of those things alongside him? Let alone all of them. Hint: They weren’t. Let’s ignore all of dat and say “all-star”.

We also ignore there was expansion going on and teams were being watered down not getting better.

Jordan was on THE super team of his era.

Oh gosh, that’s just sad.

Who made those players good at their job? Jordan.

Who did Lebron ever make better or improve? Everyone he developed with turned into a zombie.

Lebron had to join the best to become relevant.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Oh gosh, that’s just sad.

Who made those players good at their job? Jordan.

Who did Lebron ever make better or improve? Everyone he developed with turned into a zombie.

Lebron had to join the best to become relevant.

And this right here is non-factual. Yes. Jordan made Kerr the best shooter. Made Rodman the best rebounder. Made kukoc one of the best Europeans at the time before he even of here?.. get a clue.

This is just like when Jordan would throw a tantrum. “Omg passion!” LeBron gets the same way “cry baby”.

[Frog]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Oh gosh, that’s just sad.

Who made those players good at their job? Jordan.

Who did Lebron ever make better or improve? Everyone he developed with turned into a zombie.

Lebron had to join the best to become relevant.

This is an oversimplification if I have ever seen one.

What happened to all of those good Cleveland role players after LeBron left the Cavs the first time? A lot of them were dropping out of the league like flies. Boobie Gibson? What happened to him after?

If you look at raw numbers of stars he has played with, yeah of course their numbers go down... because there is in fact one ball. Sometimes that's what you have to sacrifice for winning. Give Love 7 more shots per game like he was getting in Minny instead of Kyrie and Bron and see if those teams are as good as they were.

The Rui transformation has been great under LeBron. Not really a zombie... Undrafted Austin Reaves has been playing pretty great. The Millers, Battiers, Birdmans, Mosgovs, Dellys of the world seemed to fair pretty well next to LeBron.

It seems that you are just arguing if the stars have improved with LeBron? Are you just taking their raw numbers? What exactly are you comparing?

Oh no, Chris Bosh went from averaging 22 and 9 on a 1st round exit team to 19 and 8, one of the best PnR defending big men and a champion with LeBron. What a zombie. LeBrons hould be ashamed

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

Everything I stated was actually factual.. unlike your “age is an excuse” nonsense. Don’t need to go into vivid detail. Which one is not a fact.

The fact is that it's all revisionist history for guys that have to prop lebron. Nobody is changing their minds, but it speaks volumes when lebron guys have to throw out a talking point like Steve Kerr is the best shooter of the 90s.

Even if MJ guys concede that the Bulls were a superteam, at least he never lost. Lebron has played on multiple superteams and can't even win even half the time. Jordan is what made the Bulls a superteam.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

And this right here is non-factual. Yes. Jordan made Kerr the best shooter. Made Rodman the best rebounder. Made kukoc one of the best Europeans at the time before he even of here?.. get a clue.

This is just like when Jordan would throw a tantrum. “Omg passion!” LeBron gets the same way “cry baby”.

You want facts: 6-0. Jordan always found a way for his team to win. He was the consummate teammate that got results. People wanted to play with him.

There’s a problem with another fact: 4-6. The most individual talent in history but couldn’t create a team to win around him, could only join other talent. Lexcuses, lexcuses.

[Braswell10]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

The fact is that it's all revisionist history for guys that have to prop lebron. Nobody is changing their minds, but it speaks volumes when lebron guys have to throw out a talking point like Steve Kerr is the best shooter of the 90s.

Even if MJ guys concede that the Bulls were a superteam, at least he never lost. Lebron has played on multiple superteams and can't even win even half the time. Jordan is what made the Bulls a superteam.

It’s not black and white though. The Warriors and Spurs teams were better than any team from the 90s.

These threads are just repeating the same ideas over and over again. I’m convinced you guys just like to see your post count increase.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by williemayshayes

I think this needs broken down...

97-98-Pipp(e)n didn't play a single game in NOV/DEC...in which MJ was 33 by the way, so he wasn't an All-Star. The first time in 6 years he wasn't.

Things Pippen did do that year alone?
Top 10 MVP
Defensive 1st Team
All-NBA 3rd Team

Rodman led the NBA in rebounding and was DPOY Top 5.

Pippen and Rodman are both Top 75 Player Members.
Pippen is a Top 50 Player Member in which he was enshrined at 31!

This one should have stayed in the drafts folder.

Originally Posted by BlueXtreme

People here LOVE to ignore the difference in eras and in the league at the time. They keep bringing up “all-star teammates”. Jordan got to play alongside the best shooter of his time, the best rebounder of his time, one of the best all around players of his time in Pippen, 2 top defenders, one of the best European players at the time one of the best coaches and.. went and got Horace grant. Which teammate of LeBron’s was best in the league at any of those things alongside him? Let alone all of them. Hint: They weren’t. Let’s ignore all of dat and say “all-star”.

We also ignore there was expansion going on and teams were being watered down not getting better.

Jordan was on THE super team of his era.

Smart guys.

People don’t want to acknowledge that MJ greatly benefited from his team and Pippen’s team-friendly contract because it’d impact his legacy, and probably, MJ card prices.

But the reality is that MJ’s championships are overrated for the aforementioned reasons.

Not to mention, competition was a joke in the 90s. Look at teams that the Bulls faced in the NBA Finals lol.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

The fact is that it's all revisionist history for guys that have to prop lebron. Nobody is changing their minds, but it speaks volumes when lebron guys have to throw out a talking point like Steve Kerr is the best shooter of the 90s.

Even if MJ guys concede that the Bulls were a superteam, at least he never lost. Lebron has played on multiple superteams and can't even win even half the time. Jordan is what made the Bulls a superteam.

Difference is LeBron went against other super teams.. and had the best of not one area listed. Not the best rebounder. Not the best shooter. Etc. Jordan didn’t have to find anything to go 6-0 when you’re on the only super team of your era. It’s easy to look at just record and ignore everything else. Especially when that context is factual based and doesn’t support your opinion.

Stating facts like Steve Kerr was the best shooter at the time is not revisionist. It’s reality. Try living it instead of clinging to that nostalgia

And no. Jordan alone did not make them a superTEAM.. gosh.

[lebronicle]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

You want facts: 6-0. Jordan always found a way for his team to win. He was the consummate teammate that got results. People wanted to play with him.

There’s a problem with another fact: 4-6. The most individual talent in history but couldn’t create a team to win around him, could only join other talent. Lexcuses, lexcuses.

not going to the finals is worse than going and losing.