Star Co. Basketball is Hottt!

[maj78]

Originally Posted by lebronicle

Love the Star set. I recently graded the 83-84 Lakers team set.

Beautiful set - congrats!

[lebronicle]

Originally Posted by maj78

Beautiful set - congrats!

Thanks! I also recently acquired these two factory sealed sets. Debating whether to open and grade or keep them sealed.

[maj78]

Originally Posted by lebronicle

Thanks! I also recently acquired these two factory sealed sets. Debating whether to open and grade or keep them sealed.

Those are really nice too! Those are good options to have (keep sealed or open and grade) - neither is a bad one - ha!

[pawpawdiv9]

Well, Is HellCat right on the Star101 Jordan? Thoughts?
Based on this current Probstein auction (PSA7 )currently reaching 30K
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37540618328...3Avlp_homepage
(i only bring this up, as i have interest in this card myself)

I dont collect basketball, but i like the older guys like Kareem above^^^

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by maj78

Those are really nice too! Those are good options to have (keep sealed or open and grade) - neither is a bad one - ha!

i thought unopened was optimal for collectors? Especially if the best card is on top?

As for the Jordan 101, it's like it should be treated as a separate topic from Star generally. Star's presentation quality varies (although the design doesn't), namely in terms of photo quality and cropping. The 101 is rather stereotypical of what people find disappointing in some of the Star releases. The Olajuwon RC meanwhile has no such issues, it is the grail Olajuwon card

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Well, Is HellCat right on the Star101 Jordan? Thoughts?
Based on this current Probstein auction (PSA7 )currently reaching 30K
https://www.ebay.com/itm/37540618328...3Avlp_homepage
(i only bring this up, as i have interest in this card myself)

I dont collect basketball, but i like the older guys like Kareem above^^^

A 101 graded 7 by PSA is apparently among the higher-condition 101s out there so that might explain the pricing. We'd need a price comp with a BGS 7 to determine whether that should be treated more like a PSA 5 or 6

I would assume that the best-condition 101s in BGS slabs are going to move over to PSA ones over time

[pawpawdiv9]

Probstein PSA 7 fetched $30,099

Some sales that ended on 5/16:
PWCC BGS 8.5 fetched 45.6K (WOW???)
PWCC PSA 6 fetched 17.4K
PWCC BGS 7.5 fetched 18K

meanwhile in Heritage:
BGS 8 fetched 27.6K
BGS 8.5 fetched 28.8K

Currently PWCC has another BGS 8.5 currently @ 29.5K ending next week

My conclusion that a BGS 7.5 seems to be in-line with a PSA 6???
I do not know to justify the PWCC 8.5 sale 45.6K tho???

[Uncbuddha]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Probstein PSA 7 fetched $30,099

Some sales that ended on 5/16:
PWCC BGS 8.5 fetched 45.6K (WOW???)
PWCC PSA 6 fetched 17.4K
PWCC BGS 7.5 fetched 18K

meanwhile in Heritage:
BGS 8 fetched 27.6K
BGS 8.5 fetched 28.8K

Currently PWCC has another BGS 8.5 currently @ 29.5K ending next week

My conclusion that a BGS 7.5 seems to be in-line with a PSA 6???
I do not know to justify the PWCC 8.5 sale 45.6K tho???

The first (and maybe only, haven’t checked pop reports in a while) PSA 9 was a crossover from a BGS 8.5. The 8.5s vary a lot in presentation. Maybe the 8.5 you are referencing was one that the bidders thought appeared undergraded.

[Hellcat]

Crickets on the 950K PSA 9 101 sale?! Man guys just keep doubting my insight. I told you long ago to grab one now most of you are priced out in this thread.

[pcptrade]

When this thread was created, BGS 8.5's were selling for $40-50K. Most recent BGS 8.5 sales are around 30K. PSA 8's were selling for 85K-115K. Most recent PSA 8 sales are around 70K. PSA 7's were selling for 30K and they are still selling for the same price. Are we going to start recommending 1986 Fleer PSA 10's again if a BGS 10 fetches a million plus in a private sale, i.e. based on one isolated private sale of a low pop copy?

[Hellcat]

Rising tides lift all boats it's just starting PCP! Enjoy the ride! Alot of anxiety with collectors scrambling to secure a nice copy of the 101 they have been picked through.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Rising tides lift all boats it's just starting PCP! Enjoy the ride! Alot of anxiety with collectors scrambling to secure a nice copy of the 101 they have been picked through.

The record $12.6 million sale of Mantle 1952 Topps SGC 9.5 did not do anything to the lower grade copies. They have dropped in value since then. I can see the Star 101 PSA 9 copies retaining their value since there are only three of them. I am not optimistic on BGS 8.5 (pop 260), BGS 9 (pop 73), PSA 7 (pop 69) and lower grade copies.

[Hellcat]

It's early in the game! The script has recently flipped where the Star 101 is his only rookie. It will continue to increase steadily over the years.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

It's early in the game! The script has recently flipped where the Star 101 is his only rookie. It will continue to increase steadily over the years.

we've been over this countless times re the 51B Mantle RC not being the most desired Mantle card

the 101 has gotten plenty of attention at least ever since Beckett began pricing basketball, does your "script" leave this fact out?

[harkthesound]

Has PSA officially said that they won't ever grade the 1985-86 Star base set? Would really enjoy seeing the Jordan #117 in a PSA slab.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Crickets on the 950K PSA 9 101 sale?! Man guys just keep doubting my insight. I told you long ago to grab one now most of you are priced out in this thread.

Yeah I told many the same and this was wayyyyyy before PSA started grading them

But dont say that too loud as PCP will call you a pumper

I will say for certain that if PSA never graded the 101 these prices would never have seen the light of day. People don't realize how much legitimacy it added to the card. Nat Turner stepped forward and admitted Star XRC 101 is MJs true rookie, something I changed my mind about 10 years ago after educating myself and not Becketts sentimental bias baloney regarding the Fleer and what "should define" a rookie card

I find it laughable people think Star 101 is a high pop card in lower grades yet remain silent on the ridiculous 86 Fleer population reports

I'm gonna grab an 86 Fleer eventually but not at these prices with that pop. Imo the 86 Fleer all factors considered remains the "pumped" card. Yes not as much as 2021 prices but still pumped compared to 2019 prices. PSA 10 included. That's why the card keeps getting dumped

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Yeah I told many the same and this was wayyyyyy before PSA started grading them

But dont say that too loud as PCP will call you a pumper

I will say for certain that if PSA never graded the 101 these prices would never have seen the light of day. People don't realize how much legitimacy it added to the card. Nat Turner stepped forward and admitted Star XRC 101 is MJs true rookie, something I changed my mind about 10 years ago after educating myself and not Becketts sentimental bias baloney regarding the Fleer and what "should define" a rookie card

I find it laughable people think Star 101 is a high pop card in lower grades yet remain silent on the ridiculous 86 Fleer population reports

I'm gonna grab an 86 Fleer eventually but not at these prices with that pop. Imo the 86 Fleer all factors considered remains the "pumped" card. Yes not as much as 2021 prices but still pumped compared to 2019 prices. PSA 10 included. That's why the card keeps getting dumped

can you think of any reason besides the photos on the respective cards, for why people would prefer the 86F to the 101?

is it some kind of pump that explains the 52 Mantle hobby supremacy even though the 51B is the RC?

I can't imagine collectors spurning the 101 if it had a photo as good as on the 57

someone suggested the company brand, but that doesn't explain jack. Many of the Star cards are desirable on their merits and I've never heard of people collecting for brand per se (unless the brand per se signified greater production values, which it only partly does in this instance since Star had a small budget but still produced some nice product which in Star's case comes down essentially to selection of image to put on the card, it's pathetic that the image they have for the 101 is the best they could do)

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Crickets on the 950K PSA 9 101 sale?! Man guys just keep doubting my insight. I told you long ago to grab one now most of you are priced out in this thread.

how many PSA 9s are there of the 57? Something like 3000

Unless you're an idiot, you know that a 950K sale on a PSA 9 101 is due to the rarity. Given the condition sensitivity of the 101, a 9 is probably like a 10 for many other cards. PSA grades tougher, etc.

But presumably you're not an idiot, so what does explain your pump above which - to be the pump that it is - disregards all kinds of context? It's not like the context hasn't been brought up to you countless times

[Hellcat]

Stop with these stupid if they could have done a better job on the photo of the 101! That what makes it so special! No one knew what MJ would do! That in itself makes the photo that much more legit! Fleer had the luxury of having a 3 year sample on their photo choice!

[GOATcards]

101 for/against:
For - no skimping on the colors/ink, so you get the nice deep red hue on the Bulls cards e.g.
Rarity
Against - awful (not merely mediocre) photo when one focuses in on MJ's face
I don't even have an issue with the selection of MJ in some more ordinary basketball motion; it's the blotches and blurs on his face that ruin it

57 for/against:
For - memorable photo, one of the most iconic in the hobby
Against - skimping on the ink, in some cases photo slightly out of register and often coupled with ink more orange than red
Not all that rare with reportedly well over 100K made

I wouldn't credit either company for better design; I don't think design has anything to do with this comparison

I don't think collectors even care all that much about the border sizes/centering on the Star card, the it isn't like you have photos offset against a white border to accentuate off-centeredness to the eyes. If anything, Fleer should be knocked for making so many off-centered 57s (but somehow having all cards reasonably well-centered back in those days was too much to ask).

[Hellcat]

The 57 is a great 3rd year card nothing wrong with that! 57 fan boys flip over the card tell me what you see on the back! When you have to explain to someone out of the hobby how it's his rookie with 2 years of stats on the back! Lmfao

[Bcr]

The photo is arguably the most important part of trading cards. If the photos were reversed the Star card would be WAY more desirable and valuable.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

The 57 is a great 3rd year card nothing wrong with that! 57 fan boys flip over the card tell me what you see on the back! When you have to explain to someone out of the hobby how it's his rookie with 2 years of stats on the back! Lmfao

yep there's stats for 100 total career games on the back of the 57! lol!

the 101 is the true Mantle 52 Topps of basketball! haha!

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Bcr

The photo is arguably the most important part of trading cards. If the photos were reversed the Star card would be WAY more desirable and valuable.

It is way more desirable and valuable! Where have you been?!

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

It is way more desirable and valuable! Where have you been?!

The real world