Is FANATICS in over their head?

[auburn35]

Continuing on the topic of the FBI looking into the players associations and partners, Panini included a fun note in their recent filing related to their antitrust case against Fanatics. Among other things, Panini and Fanatics are fighting over the production of the trading card contracts.

[oldgoldy97]

Just regulate this crap and be done with it.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Just regulate this crap and be done with it.

Gross

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Just regulate this crap and be done with it.

Or, you know, treat it like the gambling product that it is -- a gambling product geared partly towards kids.

All the breakers on Whatnot and the online repackers are loving Uncle Sam not paying attention to them.

[auburn35]

10x the hobby, achieved!

Not sure where the data comes from, but the number of MLB players collecting cards has allegedly increased from less than 10 to over 100, since Fanatics bought Topps.

Q&A: Rubin seeing promise in Fanatics’ collectibles, gambling verticals
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.co...ing-verticals/

[Archangel1775]

They need an ePack site. 24 Hours per day, 7 days per week and Worldwide

[BayAreaChris]

Update on the Panini vs Fanatics antitrust trial. Fanatics has to share the league license agreements with Panini’s lawyers.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

Update on the Panini vs Fanatics antitrust trial. Fanatics has to share the league license agreements with Panini’s lawyers.

Wasn't that order issued months ago? Or did the judge finally give a deadline to produce it?

[BayAreaChris]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Wasn't that order issued months ago? Or did the judge finally give a deadline to produce it?

It was actually filed in 8/2023 to produce it. They did but it was heavily redacted. Now it needs to be in the clear.

Paul Lesko on Twitter says this isn’t a loss for Fanatics but their lawyers are just doing a good job of delaying the inevitable / racking up lawyer fees.

[NickyCards]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

Update on the Panini vs Fanatics antitrust trial. Fanatics has to share the league license agreements with Panini’s lawyers.

Is there a chance both Panini and Topps will make licensed cards?

[livfreely]

Originally Posted by NickyCards

Is there a chance both Panini and Topps will make licensed cards?

Please no! You think quantity is bad now…just imagine


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[Cracktoast]

Might have been brought up already but Leaf was awarded the license from the MLBPA to make Min or League cards.

Leaf Trading Cards will be producing licensed minor league baseball cards starting this summer, following a deal with the MLB Players Association. The first set featuring these players is expected to be released in July, with the "Leaf Metal" product being the first to incorporate the new licensing agreement, according to Baseball America. This deal allows Leaf to feature the names, images, and likenesses of minor league players who are part of the MLBPA's group licensing program.

[Americards]

Originally Posted by Cracktoast

Might have been brought up already but Leaf was awarded the license from the MLBPA to make Min or League cards.

will it be licensed with the milb teams?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

It was actually filed in 8/2023 to produce it. They did but it was heavily redacted. Now it needs to be in the clear.

Paul Lesko on Twitter says this isn’t a loss for Fanatics but their lawyers are just doing a good job of delaying the inevitable / racking up lawyer fees.

I think they are trying to delay it all the way to when the license(s) change hands. Possession really is 9/10ths the law.

Originally Posted by NickyCards

Is there a chance both Panini and Topps will make licensed cards?

I have argued that it is possible and, for some reason, that triggered several people in this forum.

[BayAreaChris]

What are the odds there is an injunction and neither can make licensed product until it’s resolved?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by BayAreaChris

What are the odds there is an injunction and neither can make licensed product until it’s resolved?

IMHO a court wouldn't do that because both parties would suffer irreparable harm. I think more likely - but still a longshot - would be an injunction against the expiration of Panini's deal. IOW both companies would be allowed to produce licensed goods.

Let the record show I consider the above to be an extreme longshot though.

[BayAreaChris]

What I don’t know if anyone has ever clarified is when can Fanatics truly start printing product (vs selling) and give versa for Panini. Not sure if the license start date is connected to buying or printing.

I don’t know the exact lead time but I assume it’s at least 3-6 months to print and package. Ignoring any design time which I am sure they can do regardless.

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by NickyCards

Is there a chance both Panini and Topps will make licensed cards?

Competition is always a good thing.

People complaining about oversaturation need to learn they don't need to buy everything released.

[Zauron]

Man did you guys see that one of the cut autos Topps did for Dynasty was take a 1993 Nabisco Willie Stargell auto card, cut it, and slap it in a Dynasty frame? lol get out of here

Reddit thread about it

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Man did you guys see that one of the cut autos Topps did for Dynasty was take a 1993 Nabisco Willie Stargell auto card, cut it, and slap it in a Dynasty frame? lol get out of here

Reddit thread about it

So did Panini and Upper Deck. And they've been doing it for years. They've cut a zillion Perez-Steele postcards for cut autos.

It's obviously working. Both the Nabisco and Perez-Steele autos are selling for 5-10x more when one of these companies cuts it. Might as well do it if people are paying more.

[mfw13]

So here's a question.....how many more baseball products will Fanatics' actually get out the door in 2025?

You've still got:

Ginter
Archives
Stadium Club
Platinum Anniversary
Museum
Cosmic Chrome
Heritage High Number
RIP
Brooklyn

And now with Topps' basketball license becoming active, Fanatics has even more products to try to get out the door.

Seems like they've stretched themselves waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too thin in terms of acquiring licenses to far more intellectual property than they have production capability for.

[ThoseBackPages]

what's the hurry?

they have five months or so to release them

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

what's the hurry?

they have five months or so to release them

Ummm....it's October.....if they want to release ANY of them in 2025, they've got less than three months.....

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Ummm....it's October.....if they want to release ANY of them in 2025, they've got less than three months.....

they will come out when the come out.

the masses will buy, no problem

[base set]

Some of those could be headed to the “semi-annual” list.