Is the NFL rigged?

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by altaeria

I'm at the point where I wish all non-WRs were required to wear mittens,
(similar to baserunning gloves in MLB)
so the players can't pull and grab their opponent on every play... which they ALL do.


It's not so much that the games are rigged, but that the refs are just way too involved.
And the players really give them no choice.


Defensive Backs ON EVERY TEAM literally grab and pull at WRs ON EVERY PLAY.


Or just allow holding altogether.
I'm so sick of being conditioned to wait for a yellow flag after EVERY GODDAMN PLAY.

I think the logic behind the constant grabbing is defenders know the refs can't throw a flag on every play, so they know they can get away with a lot.

In other words, defenders normalize the grabbing so that only blatant holds get called.

Receivers also push off a lot, too, as the same logic applies to them.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I don't think the entire NFL is one giant rigged system that everyone is in on. However, I have believed for awhile now certain teams are given preferential treatment with spots and how penalties are enforced in key moments of certain games.

It already happened in the NBA. Hell the NBA draft was even rigged (looking at you 1985), likely still is.

Your logic seems fairly sound, but your methodology seems potentially flawed -- what you are observing could be explained by what's called survivor's bias.

If you look at the results as partially because of randomness, the winners would naturally be the ones who tend to get lucky with calls, and the losers would naturally be the ones who tend to get unlucky with calls.

You're looking at the luck of the winners and correctly observing they got more lucky with calls. But that could just be randomness -- not deliberate on the part of the refs.

[fabiani12333]

There are multiple factors contributing to the Chiefs' success in recent years -- all-time great QB; experienced and knowledgeable coaching; good health; more favorable calls or no-calls, etc.

It all adds up to success. But one factor isn't the reason why, unless you believe the NFL is like the WWE and it's all scripted -- which would be impossible to keep secret.

And the Chiefs could end up losing to the Eagles in the Super Bowl and blow up the entire premise of many conspiracy theories.

But if that happens, I'm sure people will just say the NFL needed to give the Eagles the win because average fans were starting to catch onto their con.

[Bcr]

Almost 10% more voted for rigged... BO conspiracy theorists never ceases to amaze me. Why even collect football cards or watch the sport then?

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Almost 10% more voted for rigged... BO conspiracy theorists never ceases to amaze me. Why even collect football cards or watch the sport then?

For me even with suspecting the sport is rigged it is enjoyable to watch. WWE was rigged and it was wildly popular.

And I get to see my Chiefs ML wagers cash.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

For me even with suspecting the sport is rigged it is enjoyable to watch. WWE was rigged and it was wildly popular.

And I get to see my Chiefs ML wagers cash.

Wrestling has always been scripted. Smart marks understand this and accept it as part of the entertainment. The industry, in the absence of old-school kayfabe, acknowledges the outcomes are scripted.

Football has not always been rigged. Fans watch the game under the impression the game has legitimate outcomes. There's a huge difference.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Wrestling has always been scripted. Smart marks understand this and accept it as part of the entertainment. The industry, in the absence of old-school kayfabe, acknowledges the outcomes are scripted.

Football has not always been rigged. Fans watch the game under the impression the game has legitimate outcomes. There's a huge difference.

It's still real to me, dammit!

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

...And I get to see my Chiefs ML wagers cash.

Will it, though?

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Wrestling has always been scripted. ...

Football has not always been rigged. Fans watch the game under the impression the game has legitimate outcomes. There's a huge difference.

So then bet and win. Easy, right?

It's funny, but I know a lot of guys who have delayed their retirement 5-10 years losing money betting sports... yet I know barely any who are professional sports gamblers. You'd think it'd be pretty easy... you know, being rigged and all?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by slyguy

It's funny, but I know a lot of guys who have delayed their retirement 5-10 years losing money betting sports...

Stupid amateurs. I've delayed mine by at least 15....

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Will it, though?

So then bet and win. Easy, right?

It's funny, but I know a lot of guys who have delayed their retirement 5-10 years losing money betting sports... yet I know barely any who are professional sports gamblers. You'd think it'd be pretty easy... you know, being rigged and all?

I'm up $7600 in 25 months and my largest win was less than $100. People just get too greedy and play longshot crap. I stay as close to +100 as possible.

I do not believe sports are rigged, but I do think you can make money if you don't chase dream tickets.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Will it, though?

So then bet and win. Easy, right?

It's funny, but I know a lot of guys who have delayed their retirement 5-10 years losing money betting sports... yet I know barely any who are professional sports gamblers. You'd think it'd be pretty easy... you know, being rigged and all?

The WWE is "rigged" in the sense that it is scripted. How accurate do you think you'd be at predicting the Royal Rumble tonight? I mean, it's rigged, right? Must be easy to figure out how things will go in every match.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

The WWE is "rigged" in the sense that it is scripted. How accurate do you think you'd be at predicting the Royal Rumble tonight? I mean, it's rigged, right? Must be easy to figure out how things will go in every match.

I don't watch sports whose target market is 12 year olds. So I don't know who's in it. Sorry.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I don't watch sports whose target market is 12 year olds. So I don't know who's in it. Sorry.

Right.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I don't watch sports whose target market is 12 year olds. So I don't know who's in it. Sorry.

WWE's target market has been 18-34 for a long time. They are admittedly trying to get kids back into it, but the ratings show it is still adult entertainment.

[slyguy]

Guys, wrasslin' is scripted. There is no sportsbook action on it. There can't be.
The performers know the outcomes, the move-by-move plan for the match is decided, probably the trash talk plan for the match afterwards. Some of the "athletes" are pure actors or models or bodybuilders or entertainers... and most of the performers are real athletes who've washed out from Olympic or NCAA or UFC or even NFL. If people think it's fun, so be it... but there won't [can't] be betting on something pre-decided like "pro" wrestling.

But why are we comparing this WWF or WWE soap opera for teen males to NFL?
NFL is the largest betting sport there is. They do training camps for months with very real injuries happening, guys losing their jobs... so that's all just part of the ruse? Cmon.
NFL is the best of the best NCAA players, international players, best in the world.
Brady would start training hard weeks after winning a SuperBowl.
Coaches and GMs and scouts are highly recruited and expected to do top results. It's highly profitable for all involved.
The guys playing XFL or minor leagues would give anything to play in the NFL. Guys risk PEDs just to have a chance.
Teams get caught in various minor cheats to gain any edge (film other teams, crowd noise pumps, pay players under table to skirt salary cap, tampering by talking to FAs and trying to entice them, etc).

Sure, NFL games will have some ref influence, players not feeling well, player personal life issues, locker room issues... but that is any sport at any level. It's is obviously very real in NFL when people bet over $25 billion on just the SuperBowl alone.

Again, the sportsbooks and NFL could care less. They don't control who wins. It would be crazy to try risk damaging a money machine. They all win regardless. The league just wants their endorsements intact, and the sportsbooks take 10% of all monies bet. Will the NFL protect top talent (Brady rule you can't hit QBs low, Mahomes stuff about h2h on QBs or throwing a QB once they're out of bounds)? Of course. Why wouldn't they? It's not easy to come up with known and marketable superstars.

But yeah... nobody really cares if Logan Paul hits some steroided-up actor like The Rock at 40% or 60% power with a folding chair in a "cage match." Nobody cares if some girls in skimpy outfits pretend to pull each other's hair. Their goal is to get paid, to not get hurt, and to put on a show for some 14 year olds there. More power to them.

[matt roberson]

rigged.

Did you watch the super bowl last year? The calls made and missed to allow KC to win the title were blatant and obvious.

[natbornkiller]

not a much as the nba

[Chaddie84]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Can't even get 11 players to do the right thing on most plays after 9 months of practicing it. You think you can get 100+ total to follow a script?

Don't need a script to rig games. It's a game of inches where 1 or 2 calls can make a huge difference in the outcome of games.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by Chaddie84

Don't need a script to rig games. It's a game of inches where 1 or 2 calls can make a huge difference in the outcome of games.

This.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Chaddie84

Don't need a script to rig games. It's a game of inches where 1 or 2 calls can make a huge difference in the outcome of games.

Even if a team gets a favorable call or two, they still have to capitalize and get points.

Even after the Bills had the 4th and inches call go against them, they could have stopped KC.

Again, it is one thing to say calls can AFFECT the outcome of a game. Claiming the game is rigged is a huge leap.

For all the crying about the Houston game, KC still had to earn their points. Not like they were handed the ball at inside the 5.

[89Giants]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Almost 10% more voted for rigged... BO conspiracy theorists never ceases to amaze me. Why even collect football cards or watch the sport then?

I don't and stopped. Same goes for NBA.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by mc1

For all the crying about the Houston game, KC still had to earn their points. Not like they were handed the ball at inside the 5.

Yeah, they saved that for the Buffalo game.

[Jazz Chisholm]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I don't watch sports whose target market is 12 year olds. So I don't know who's in it. Sorry.

I always say wrestling is a spectator activity for 8th graders…either kids currently in it or adults who never made it past it

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Chaddie84

Don't need a script to rig games. It's a game of inches where 1 or 2 calls can make a huge difference in the outcome of games.

I know everyone hates conspiracies but this is all it would take. Especially in close games down the stretch. All it takes is one ref betting on games as well.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Yeah, they saved that for the Buffalo game.

Ohh yeah when it became evident that people still don’t know the rules for a catch. There was a penalty against Buffalo anyways. Chiefs were getting the ball, one way or another.